India tells China: Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you

[HongWu]

While I certainly believe that China and India are equivalent in terms of civilisational greatness, I do not believe and have not stated so on any occasion that it is therefore natural for China and India to have equivalent spheres of influence.

That is nonsense.

There is nothing 'natural' in acquiring a sphere of influence and acquiring international standing. These are not dependent on civilisational greatness. These are dependent on the circumstances of that time, and their effects. These depend on historical circumstances in other words, not on 'timeless' factors, and are also politically influenced.

At this moment, and for some of the future, China's economy and social cohesion are such that it is inevitable that her international standing and sphere of influence will be greater.

Then you would have to disagree the title: "Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you." Kashmir is imperial land occupied by India against the will of some group of people living there. Tibet and Taiwan are also imperial land for China. If there is no equivalence, then China can have Tibet and Taiwan but India is not entitled to Kashmir.

In two sentences, on the basis of a non-existent civilisational superiority, we are asked to believe that perquisites come with this superiority. Rather in the way that higher business status brings a larger office, preferably a corner office, a larger desk, larger car and of course, club memberships and a nice large house as well.

Yes of course. It's a natural consequence of wealth and power. To be more specific, dominant civilizations have more imperial territories compared to their neighbors. So India should not feel bad that China's borders go right up to India, including Tibet. It should not feel as if China is getting more than its fair share. The shares are unequal because China is a much more dominant civilization, especially in technology.

It is almost not even worth pointing out that with great power comes great responsibility. A word, and a role that does not occur anywhere in this brilliant analyst's comments.

I try to be objective. Philosophical comments are not really my fare. I do recall this particular one from spiderman though.

China's historical greatness has always nurtured its neighbors in the same way the sun nurtures the earth with warmth. Look at how Japanese and Koreans use Chinese characters.

 

[Manas]

Yes of course. It's a natural conuding Tibet. It should not feel as if China is getting more than its fair share. The shares are unequal because China is a much more dominant civilization, especially in technology.

Okay,especially in technology,Will kindly innumerate Chinese contribution to science & technology in last few centuries.

When did for first time a Chinese receive a Nobel prize in science & technology ??

 

[Tumba]

Going by Mr. HongWu's logic ...


USA as the most Tech. Advance nation so it should have right to all the planet ...

why shud we confine to civilizations in past only ,, ...



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and regarding tech advancements in ancient civilizations. ..

i wont rate one on another either indian or chinese ,,,


0 was an indian contribution to human civilization...

so speaking digitally .. 0 1 0 1 ... these things define everyhing in this information age.. no cutting age design and R&D is possible without this zero even J-20 uses zero in its name


so in modern age...
India has contributed much much more 1000s of years ago...

mr HongWu... these post you are posting here is actually made up by 0 1 01 digital language... an indian invention...

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so going by your logic china as a much less contributer to todays advancement in this INFORMATION AGE... is a less civilization ... so shud be subdued by INDIA..

 

[Developereo]

Why do you think all your weeping and pleading will spare you the wrath of the Lashkar.

Bottom line is that the China supports the Jamaat-ud-Dawah, and if you dare cast your evil eye towards Pakistan, it is Chinese nuclear technology that is going to burn your Dhoti.

There is a good reason why you were impotent after the Mujahideen attacked your parliament, and after the Mumbai drama. Why do you think anything has changed.

False flag Indian trolls don't come any plainer than this. Interesting to see so many senior members played along, just to score cheap shots at Pakistan.

Throughout the 70s through the 90s, the PRC side was more or less agreeable to a compromise solution where the Aksai Chin wilderness would be ceded to China permanently by India; on the other hand, Arunachal Pradesh would be permanently recognised by China as integral part of India.

India failed to take advantage of this very convenient solution

Translation: China offered to compromise, but India was greedy. Now China is quite powerful and seems less amenable to compromise.

The question of any difference or distinction between Chinese and Indian civilisation, and the associated question of the inherent right of greater sphere of influence or of greater international standing due to this alleged superiority;

There is no inherent right by virtue of age. The US is only 200 years old and dominates the globe.

 

[HongWu]

0 was an indian contribution to human civilization...

The concept of zero was invented by China, not India! So was an early form of calculus.

Okay,especially in technology,Will kindly innumerate Chinese contribution to science & technology in last few centuries.

When did for first time a Chinese receive a Nobel prize in science & technology ??

China does not need a "Nobel prize". That is just political theater by the West.

China is the world's first great maritime power. Chinese navy sailed to Indian Ocean, African East Coast and perhaps further.

 

[Tumba]

The concept of zero was invented by China. So was an early form of calculus.

haha ...

 

[HongWu]

haha ...

India is such a backward civilization even your one and only "invention" is a lie. Do you have no shame?

 

[Tumba]

The concept of zero was invented by China, not India! So was an early form of calculus.


China does not need a "Nobel prize". That is just political theater by the West.

China is the world's first great maritime power. Chinese navy sailed to Indian Ocean, African East Coast and perhaps further.

The Indian ideas spread east to China as well as west to the Islamic countries. In 1247 the Chinese mathematician Ch'in Chiu-Shao wrote Mathematical treatise in nine sections which uses the symbol O for zero. A little later, in 1303, Zhu Shijie wrote Jade mirror of the four elements which again uses the symbol O for zero.

 

[Tumba]

India is such a backward civilization even your one and only "invention" is a lie. Do you have no shame?

yaaa such a backward civilization ...

check Budha on net ... and think why still chinese follow Him after thousand of years,,,

 

[HongWu]

yaaa such a backward civilization ...

check Budha on net ... and think why still chinese follow Him after thousand of years,,,

Siddartha Gautama was from Nepal, not India.

 

[duhastmish]

hong hu sweet heart listen to this : india invented china .


since you can talk out of your bottom without proof you must accept it.

 

[Tumba]

Siddartha Gautama was from Nepal, not India.

Budha was from Indian civilization ,,,

a hindu prince...

and his ideas are still embedded into chinese,,,


indian civilization has subdued chinese without sending a single soldier thousand of years ago ...


HongWu... so by your theory,,, your chinese civilization is a lesser civilization ...

BOW to us indians...

 

[faithfulguy]

Budha was from Indian civilization ,,,

a hindu prince...

and his ideas are still embedded into chinese,,,


indian civilization has subdued chinese without sending a single soldier thousand of years ago ...


HongWu... so by your theory,,, your chinese civilization is a lesser civilization ...

BOW to us indians...

If you enjoy talking to him... you are just as guilty as him. Do you want to be the Indian version of Hong Wu?

 

[faithfulguy]

Siddartha Gautama was from Nepal, not India.

Nepal was part of the Indian civilization. Indian civilization spread further than the current border of India. The current border of India is mainly created by the British colonial government.

 

[HongWu]

Indian civilization changed a lot. It is not continuous and unitary like Chinese. Indian civilization gave birth to Buddhism but then it also destroyed it!

Buddhism survives on in SE Asia and East Asia, no thanks to India.