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India tells China: Kashmir is to us what Tibet, Taiwan are to you

OK..then a potential solution, in my view, is to accept the status quo. Is it not acceptable to both sides?

As Joe Shearer said, it has been offered before.

I don't think it will work now, considering the ratcheting up of nationalism on both sides over the issue. The time has come and passed.
 
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OK..then a potential solution, in my view, is to accept the status quo. Is it not acceptable to both sides?

Well the situation is as Joe described. If you read it carefully it will say why a status quo solution is still not feasible.
 
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India failed to take advantage of this very convenient solution. As has already been discussed, because of its arid and unpopulated nature, there is no Indian interest in Aksai Chin, while China finds it a convenient plain through which to run its strategic highway between Lanzhou and Xigatse. It is of vital strategic interest to China, of no strategic or cultural interest to India.

Joe, i guess you must mistake cities Lanzhou or Xigatse. Strategic highway of these two cities cannot be run through Aksai Chin if you don't want take extra thousand miles of detour.

The highway between Xinjiang and Tibet has to pass through this area

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Joe, i guess you must mistake cities Lanzhou or Xigatse. Strategic highway of these two cities cannot be run through Aksai Chin if you don't want take extra thousand miles of detour.

The highway between Xinjiang and Tibet has to pass through this area

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I am terribly sorry. That should have been reported as "between Xinjiang in the Lanzhou Military Region and Lhaze in the Xigatse area of Tibet." Lhaze is a small town in Xigatse region, and not to be confused with Lhasa. If possible, it would have made things clear to map the National Highway 219, which runs through the following:

Kargilik, Xinjiang 0
Rutog, Tibet 994
Gar County, Tibet 1111
Tingkye, Tibet 1829
Saga County, Tibet 2035
Ngamring, Tibet 2282
Lhaze, Tibet 2342

Thanks to Dataminer for spotting this howler.

I wonder if somebody can help with a map of the road.
 
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OK..then a potential solution, in my view, is to accept the status quo. Is it not acceptable to both sides?

Not a potential solution ; but the only conceivable solution IMHO.
 
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Wow thanks, your knowledge on stuff like continues to astonish and indeed is a sad story.

As a follow up can you elaborate on "China's medium-term reasons to delay a settlement, as it causes tension and anxiety within Indian decision-making circles. "?

The assumption here is that the more aggressive, the military faction within the PrC leadership, is motivated to reduce the Indian leadership to a humiliated, bewildered and indecisive state, incapable of taking any actions that challenge China's complete freedom of action within Asia.

It is clear that if such a faction exists, and its existence is as yet a matter of conjecture, it will have a wide range of options at its disposal to achieve its ends. While a brief armed conflict, of short duration, begun and ended by the PLA according to its own timetable, is at one end of the spectrum of action, the violent end, there are other options. Threatening moves at the borders, for instance, by Chinese border guards threatening Indian contractors working on local infrastructural projects (road-works, for instance), would be one option. Other possibilities are
  • Replacement of border markers, or their displacement to indicate a greater extent of territory held than actually the case;
  • Military manoeuvres near the borders;
  • Construction of infrastructural works in combination with neighbouring countries, with a clear dual-use option;
  • Printing and publishing maps that uphold major territorial claims, and encouraging adoption of these maps by all international map-makers who can be influenced by the PRC;
  • Statements in publications, learned papers and the publication of expert analyses proclaiming the existing border disputes to be serious in nature and violently expressed sentiments at international seminars;
It is possible that while Chinese supremacy in Asia is still in doubt, that is, for a period of another ten to fifteen years, while the economic, international and military gaps widen increasingly, this kind of pressure tactic will be used to unsettle the Indian decision-making apparatus.

It is likely to be combined with warm and fraternal exchanges of a cultural, sporting and people-to-people kind, which will thoroughly confuse the opposing leadership, and which will create a 'peace' constituency within India to oppose any hard stand or overt resistance to China.

The general effect will be to enhance and strengthen the divided nature of a democratic polity, and to keep the services and administration completely bewildered over the intentions of the Chinese leadership. Such a situation will inevitably lead to lack of long-term planning, lack of short-term responses and a generally ad-hoc incoherent foreign policy which fails to build any confidence in India's capability to offer leadership to Asia.

It will be of interest to see if any of these factors are perceived to exist today by various members of the forum, and if they are so perceived, is it the opinion of those members that these events are concerted centrally?
 
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The assumption here is that the more aggressive, the military faction within the PrC leadership, is motivated to reduce the Indian leadership to a humiliated, bewildered and indecisive state, incapable of taking any actions that challenge China's complete freedom of action within Asia.
Surely India brought its fate on itself. It refused to recognize the future supremacy of China in East Asia early on like, for example, its neighbor Pakistan did. India keeps pretending that it is a superpower going to challenge China.... LOL.

If India surrenders all its imperial territory (including Kashmir) then maybe it can have a good strategic relationship with China. Until then, India is merely another adversary to be defeated by China's economic and military might!!

It is likely to be combined with warm and fraternal exchanges of a cultural, sporting and people-to-people kind, which will thoroughly confuse the opposing leadership, and which will create a 'peace' constituency within India to oppose any hard stand or overt resistance to China.

The general effect will be to enhance and strengthen the divided nature of a democratic polity, and to keep the services and administration completely bewildered over the intentions of the Chinese leadership. Such a situation will inevitably lead to lack of long-term planning, lack of short-term responses and a generally ad-hoc incoherent foreign policy which fails to build any confidence in India's capability to offer leadership to Asia.
Not likely. India is clearly preparing for war along the border. It's already militarizing the LOC with mountain troops and buying advanced western weapons like M777 light howitzer to try to counter Chinese firepower.

Indian government is never confused about its own expansionist intentions. Indian government is confused, however, about China's capability to quickly overwhelm India with firepower.
 
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@hongwu: why the hell should we look china as our superior, your rants of nuking india, wet dreams of war between china and india have reached the horizon troll, do not derail the topic.
 
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@hongwu: why the hell should we look china as our superior, your rants of nuking india, wet dreams of war between china and india have reached the horizon troll, do not derail the topic.
We are talking about Indo-China relations including territorial disputes and competition to be #1 Asian superpower. These relations can be peaceful, tense or hostile.

You seem to forget there was already a war in 1962 over these territories. So how can it be off-topic? The only question is whether there will be a rematch.

Recognizing China's supremacy in East Asia would bring peace to South Asia. Trying to challenge China's supremacy in East Asia and conspiring with USA to pull China down to India's level will only bring sorrow to India.
 
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It is likely to be combined with warm and fraternal exchanges of a cultural, sporting and people-to-people kind, which will thoroughly confuse the opposing leadership, and which will create a 'peace' constituency within India to oppose any hard stand or overt resistance to China.

Sir,
I have a question here. While i may perceive this, can't we not assume that there may be two factions inside China - one preferring peace and other preferring otherwise.

Thanks.
 
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Recognizing China's supremacy in East Asia would bring peace to South Asia. Trying to challenge China's supremacy in East Asia and conspiring with USA to pull China down to India's level will only bring sorrow to India.
Don't you want supremacy over South Asia also?
 
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Sir,
I have a question here. While i may perceive this, can't we not assume that there may be two factions inside China - one preferring peace and other preferring otherwise.

Thanks.

Not only inside china, these two factions are inside every country.
 
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Don't you want supremacy over South Asia also?
Nah..... we are not overly concerned with South Asia but we will not tolerate a hostile power in South Asia threatening Chinese interests like Tibet.
 
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Nah..... we are not overly concerned with South Asia but we will not tolerate a hostile power in South Asia threatening Chinese interests like Tibet.

So what will be the consequences if Kashmir and Arunachal Pradesh are red lines for India?
 
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Nah..... we are not overly concerned with South Asia but we will not tolerate a hostile power in South Asia threatening Chinese interests like Tibet.

If you poke ur nose in kashmir issue then it is bound to happen or India will get forced to re-think about it stand over Tibet..!

So, better way is to respect each others core concerns rather then pinching India.

It will be the best in intrest of both nations...:)
 
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