India summons Iran envoy to protest remarks on Kashmir

[deckingraj]

Both Iran and India, need each other. As the cookie has crumbled, it seems India needs it more even though the Govt might think otherwise but access to Afghanistan and Energy security are too big issues to be bartered away by some Obama talk which might deliver nothing.

Unlike many people believe International relations don't go like "i need you more than you need me, so to hell with you". No country want's bad relations with another country. Issue crop up when interest clash. When you refer to alternate route for AF via Iran keep in mind the isolation Iran is facing. India is a strong regional player and Iran would not like to loose support of India especially at this stage. US is tightening the knot on Iran and Russia/China are also not showing the level of support that they used to shover. In short how much Iran will gain by supporting cause of Kashmir and how much it will loose is no brainer. In short a demarche has been issued and India has abstained from Voting. The message has been loud and clear, we did not like what you did, we are refraining from voting against you however we are not voting in favor of you... Think about your priorities and keep in mind there will be repercussions in case you poke your nose in our sensitive issue....

 

[sensenreason]

It was never that Iran was an ally of India . Indians think it was . 1-India is having a close relationship with Israel (Iran might not like it).
2- India went out of the gas pipeline on US pressure.

3- India voted against Iran in IAEA .

4- Moreover Iranians definately wouldnt like the atrosities made by Indians against the brotherly Kashmiris.

So in what respect the Indians think like living in dreams that Iran would appreciate India for all these things . If Indians were thinking like that they were living in fools paradise . However we appreciate the Iranian supreme leader to acknowledge the Kashmiri struggle for independence.

1-India has a relationship with Israel and with Iran and its not a zero sum game.
2- India went out of the gas pipeline on US pressure, but got a port despite US pressure
3- India voted against Iran in IAEA and voted for it many times in the past.
4- Moreover Iranians definetely wouldnt like the atrocities made by Pakistanis against the brotherly Afghans & Balochis.

 

[Jade]

Although India needs Iran as India doesn't have many friends in this region, Iran needs India more as Iran is slowly becoming an international pariah and Iran cannot afford this; however raising Kashmir, Iran is sure to loose India

 

[mehru]

Iran moving further away from India is a big bonus for China.

Sooner or later, China will have transit agreements for energy resources to pass through Pakistan into China.......something which India is in desparate need to for its energy consumption appetite. With a growing economy this hunger will just grow further.

China will take full advantage of this and rightfully so.....

Indian War Crimes in Kashmir should not go unheard or unpunished.........Iran should speak up as it has done already....

In the coming years, the train transit from Pakistan, Iran to Turkey will be up and running.........China is already interested in this train line to come up north into China and India too has offered its interest......not so any more if Iran doesn't agree.............

Things work both ways and Iran too has many cards to play undermining Indian influence from spreading West of its borders...........

Now why would Iran do that, I wonder? They are not against India. What they are going to achieve from that? Good for us anyway but their sudden change of stance is a bit suspicious.We should wait for some official statement.

 

[sensenreason]

Unlike many people believe International relations don't go like "i need you more than you need me, so to hell with you". No country want's bad relations with another country. Issue crop up when interest clash. When you refer to alternate route for AF via Iran keep in mind the isolation Iran is facing. India is a strong regional player and Iran would not like to loose support of India especially at this stage. US is tightening the knot on Iran and Russia/China are also not showing the level of support that they used to shover. In short how much Iran will gain by supporting cause of Kashmir and how much it will loose is no brainer. In short a demarche has been issued and India has abstained from Voting. The message has been loud and clear, we did not like what you did, we are refraining from voting against you however we are not voting in favor of you... Think about your priorities and keep in mind there will be repercussions in case you poke your nose in our sensitive issue....

Im simply stating that India needs Iran for economic and geopolitical reasons and the Iranians know it.Its not 2004 and Obama is no Bush and for all the talk of Iran war, it hasnt come to pass and wont unless the QE2 fails badly and the US economy sinks further.As far as message sending, please send as deemed fit but make sure you dont come across as arrogant as our babus often do. Ask the Nepali's or Karzai or even the Bangla's.At times perception is as important than the action.

Babus have made mince meat of India's neighbourhood relations because they 'treat' their areas or regions they work on as their spheres of influence.

I see India's foreign relations as an execution issue and not a matter of policy alone.Take Krishna's visit to Islamabad, put it any which way you want but he cant articulate a single sentence without putting you to sleep and this affects negotiations and relationships. In contrast, the Pakistanis have always have had articulate fellows and forceful personalities.Kamal Nath on his took on the US on the basis on his knowledge and personality and ability to negotiate and it wasnt just a policy matter.

 

[Bhim]

I think we should not worry too much about Iran.
Their leaders have been making contradictory statements on whole range of issues.
The religious leader wants muslims to unite even for Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.
This is a scary scenario, as this call can lead to further instability in these regions.
The countries which will play into the hands of religious millitancy risk being further isolated.

 

[subject17]

Hope that a foolish statement from a foolish religious leader doesn't jeopardize the warm relationship between the two countries. I think khamenei will shut his big mouth.

 

[luckyyy]

I think we should not worry too much about Iran.
Their leaders have been making contradictory statements on whole range of issues.
The religious leader wants muslims to unite even for Afghanistan, Iraq and Pakistan.
This is a scary scenario, as this call can lead to further instability in these regions.
The countries which will play into the hands of religious millitancy risk being further isolated.

if iran won't give a damm importence of it's realtions with india......

india is rightfull to exercise it's options....there can't be a one-way ..

 

[luckyyy]

Hope that a foolish statement from a foolish religious leader doesn't jeopardize the warm relationship between the two countries. I think khamenei will shut his big mouth.

history states that only few sons able to biuld on the legacies of their fathers...

 

[KS]

2- India went out of the gas pipeline on US pressure, but got a port despite US pressure

A popular myth.

India did not sign the IPI mainly because of the Iranian's refusal to guarentee the delivery of their gas/oil at our border (Indo-Pak) --- rather they were willing to guarentee only till the Iran-Pak border which was not palatable to India considering the insurgency and the happy-to-blast-a-pipeline attitude of the Balochi rebels.

 

[deckingraj]

Im simply stating that India needs Iran for economic and geopolitical reasons and the Iranians know it.Its not 2004 and Obama is no Bush and for all the talk of Iran war, it hasnt come to pass and wont unless the QE2 fails badly and the US economy sinks further.As far as message sending, please send as deemed fit but make sure you dont come across as arrogant as our babus often do. Ask the Nepali's or Karzai or even the Bangla's.At times perception is as important than the action.

Babus have made mince meat of India's neighbourhood relations because they 'treat' their areas or regions they work on as their spheres of influence.

I see India's foreign relations as an execution issue and not a matter of policy alone.Take Krishna's visit to Islamabad, put it any which way you want but he cant articulate a single sentence without putting you to sleep and this affects negotiations and relationships. In contrast, the Pakistanis have always have had articulate fellows and forceful personalities.Kamal Nath on his took on the US on the basis on his knowledge and personality and ability to negotiate and it wasnt just a policy matter.

I am sorry but now you have given an all together different angle to the problem. It seems you are suggesting that Indian diplomats are not good orator and kind of linking this with relations among countries. I don't want to get into this debate however this is simply not right. We have won way too many friends than enemies. Surely it can't be becuase our babus were rude to people???? Handling a press conference better cannot make you a better diplomat, it is just one attribute...As far as countries relations are concerned then sweet talks cannot win you friends, it is the action on ground....

I hope you can see the difference. B/W don't you think Iran should not have poked their nose in Kashmir??? And New delhi should have responded in some manner??? If yes then what as per you should have been a response???

 

[Spring Onion]

Iran, you just lost one close ally. Iran should understand the implication for mixing politics with religion. Good for us. Indo-Isreal close tie up will help India more than India-Iran relationship.

Indo-Israeli relations were always closer than your relations with Iran.

Secondly India should stop bullying Iran as Iran does not need India when 98% of the countries willingly or unwillingly will accept US sanctions directly or indirectly.


India was friendly to Iran as long as India needed Iran viz a viz Afghanistan. India was investing in Iran for making its way to CARs and surpassing Pakistan.

Now when Iran is out of picture and India has started partnership with US there is little India can do to side with Iran at expense of US.


It will be best for the peace and prosperity of the region if Iran-Pakistan-Afghanistan-China and Russia join hands.

 

[India Rising]

^^^^russia ???

 

[Spring Onion]

if iran won't give a damm importence of it's realtions with india......

india is rightfull to exercise it's options....there can't be a one-way ..

what options you have ?


You are already not in big oil deal with Iran.


Its Iran that is giving you passage and facility for Chahbahar to counter Pakistan.


It is Iran that can side with you for countering Pakistan in Afghanistan.

It is Iran that can give you passage to CARs .

What can you give Iran ?

Even if India oppose sanctions against Iran it does not matter because US can already get support for sanctions.

So literally India can not go against these sanctions and have business with Iran once sanctions are in place.

So the bottomline is India a dead horse for Iran.

 

[Spring Onion]

^^^^russia ???

yes a very much important player along with Pakistan and Iran.

i am all for joining hands with these and bringing peace.