India spanks USA over diplomat arrest issue !

[Sashan]

Not sure what is that the US government interfered with? It is not like the US government bundled the maid's family against their wish and moved them to US. Passport is legal, visa is legally granted and last I know if someone buys my ticket, it is not illegal. Go ahead and declare the maid's family as absconding from justice(whatever the heck the case against the maid's family is that FIR has been filed)

If not for DA's foolish words, who would have cared in India about the disappearance of the maid's family?

 

[Marigold]

JESUS CHRIST MAN! DO YOU NOT GET that Sangeta was the so called ' accused' in India- not her family! her family has all the right to travel anywhere if they wished to do so! THEY DECIDED TO MOVE!

secondly, just because her passport was revoked, she cannot just be picked up for deportation! In the US maybe not in India, every legal resident has a right to appeal a deportation, especially when the deportation looks like a pay back on case where she is the victim in the US courts!

per your logic- every asylum seeker otherwise permitted/ granted to live in the US would be deported back too- if the host country objects to their citizen granted asylum in the US

BTW, are you the prosecuting officer? where do you come up with she demanded that of the US consulate? where is your proof? the same place from where you guys said that this indian consular worker was handcuffed in front of her kids.

and maybe in india they don't handcuff anyone... in the US they do. That TOO! they did not do so on the spot!

In the first place, I along with most other Indians, do not get the 'Sangeeta is a victim' scenario. She was happy with the salary in India. But after going to the US, she felt she was exploited. The MEA started legal proceedings against the maid and the US authorities were informed. Now I won't go into the details of the 5 month drama, but the US authorities were informed. They did not even bother to reply and instead help the maid's family move to the US citing the reason that their lives were in danger. You cannot question our judicial system and expect to get away easily.

And no, I am not the prosecuting officer. I got those details here.....


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Do watch this 15 min video.
BTW, I like American English where simple blackmail has such a fancy name "settlement negotiation".

 

[Developereo]

If US can act on some body's allegation, then all of us can file a case in US court and alledges that police is harassing us.. We can get easy visa instead of waiting in the long ques in those embassy..

Anyone can allege anything; the important thing is whether the US consulate believes their claim.

As I asked, if police wanted they can ask the family to surrender passport and can arrest them.. None of this has happened..Its foolishness or arrogance that US think they can interfere in Indian judicial procedure and evacuate a man who is under trial.

Both sides are alleging judicial harassment. The maid's case is supported by paperwork (visa forms, contracts, etc.). The consul's claims are based on a phone call where the maid demanded some money. Was that blackmail, or was the maid simply demanding back pay owed to her under the original contract and US laws?

 

[Iggy]

Not sure what is that the US government interfered with? It is not like the US government bundled the maid's family against their wish and moved them to US. Passport is legal, visa is legally granted and last I know if someone buys my ticket, it is not illegal. Go ahead and declare the maid's family as absconding from justice(whatever the heck the case against the maid's family is that FIR has been filed)

You got it all wrong... A case was against Richard in Indian court.. A notice was forwarded to US about possible migration of Richard and the case filed against him.. It was US embassy's job not to allow visa as he was under trial here.. As a guy who is now residing in US, you know how these things works. Instead of all these warnings, US went ahead with issuing VISA and US embassy bought ticket for them.. According to Indian law, helping a guy to escape from the hands of law is also a crime..

Anyone can allege anything; the important thing is whether the US consulate believes their claim.

Both sides are alleging judicial harassment. The maid's case is supported by paperwork (visa forms, contracts, etc.). The consul's claims are based on a phone call where the maid demanded some money. Was that blackmail, or was the maid simply demanding back pay owed to her under the original contract and US laws?

As far as I think, none of these statement should be taken into face value because both sides are trying to win this case.. What if all these allegations and drama by the maid is for helping the family get US visa? 30,000 rs is not at all a bad salary for a maid here in India..What if she agrees with the salary and signed the deal which allow her to get VISA? That means she is also a party in this crime right? As diplomat accused, the issue started after she informed the maid that she have no authority to issue a regular visa.. What if it is true? For me the real winner is the maid, she will get to stay in US.. Her family is now in US.. She is now living an American dream..

 

[Sashan]

You got it all wrong... A case was against Richard in Indian court.. A notice was forwarded to US about possible migration of Richard and the case filed against him.. It was US embassy's job not to allow visa as he was under trial here.. As a guy who is now residing in US, you know how these things works. Instead of all these warnings, US went ahead with issuing VISA and US embassy bought ticket for them.. According to Indian law, helping a guy to escape from the hands of law is also a crime..

My question is one of moral fiber and I would like you to answer this - What is the case filed against Richard in Indian court? Non-cooperation. And is it right for such a case to be filed? How many such cases has been filed against IM terrorists' family members or some absconding hardcore criminals' family members?

It is US embassy's prerogative to provide a visa to anyone - why the heck they should take India's advice? . If India wanted they could have asked Richards to submit the passport with the authorities - Why haven't they done that? If Richards is a hardcore criminal, why not lock him up in jail?

She is now living an American dream..

The maid is not going to live the American dream. She will remain a maid and slog doing two jobs to make some $3000 per month to support the family. Her children might in future if they have proper education.

 

[Developereo]

What if all these allegations and drama by the maid is for helping the family get US visa?

You could be right that the maid knew about US labor laws and was playing the consul all along -- to migrate to the US. That still doesn't clear the consul for committing fraud and lying on the visa forms.

However, you could be right about the maid committing visa fraud also. If she knew that the salary on her visa application was wrong, then she committed fraud by signing her name, regardless of who prepared the form.

 

[Sashan]

Anyone can allege anything; the important thing is whether the US consulate believes their claim.



Both sides are alleging judicial harassment. The maid's case is supported by paperwork (visa forms, contracts, etc.). The consul's claims are based on a phone call where the maid demanded some money. Was that blackmail, or was the maid simply demanding back pay owed to her under the original contract and US laws?

All the demands are typical lawyer talk. Here is a maid who is helpless in a foreign country and somehow comes across an immigration attorney. She will go by whatever the immigration attorney says. That is the human psychology especially for someone who is an alien land and not so educated. Couldn't believe the Indian members here see everything in black and white.

 

[Iggy]

My question is one of moral fiber and I would like you to answer this - What is the case filed against Richard in Indian court? Non-cooperation. And is it right for such a case to be filed? How many such cases has been filed against IM terrorists' family members or some absconding hardcore criminals' family members?

It is US embassy's prerogative to provide a visa to anyone - why the heck they should take India's advice? . If India wanted they could have asked Richards to submit the passport with the authorities - Why haven't they done that? If Richards is a hardcore criminal, why not lock him up in jail?

I am asking you think.. Do you see any one other than US DA issuing statements like Indian courts are just Kangaroo court and because of that the family has been evacuated? This itself is a contempt of court and US publically announced it.. Now you are just talking blindly about things.. It is US embassy's prerogative to provide visa to anyone?? Then Taliban can also say that its their prerogative to give safety to Bin Laden and If US wanted, they could have safe guarded twin tower rather than attacking Afghanistan.. Dude you are just stating nonsense here.. India issued notice to US about people under trial.. It was US obligation to respect Indian law..

You could be right that the maid knew about US labor laws and was playing the consul all along -- to migrate to the US. That still doesn't clear the consul for committing fraud and lying on the visa forms.

However, you could be right about the maid committing visa fraud also. If she knew that the salary on her visa application was wrong, then she committed fraud by signing her name, regardless of who prepared the form.

There are chances of maid is also a part of this fraud.. As far as I understand, Sangeeta is not a illitrate person and she might have signed the deal to get visa easily.. I dont think anyone will pay lakhs of rs for a maid and a maid expecting lakhs of rupees as salary..

The maid is not going to live the American dream. She will remain a maid and slog doing two jobs to make some $3000 per month to support the family. Her children might in future if they have proper education.

Atleast it is what she thinks she will be having.. Every NRI who is going abroad might think they will earn lot of money once landed in US.. Reality is otherwise, I know..

 

[Marigold]

Haven't indians talked too much already? If india has guts and excuse to arrest US diplomat it would have been done so since all these started. Everyone in the world knows it. Just chest thumping by indians amplifying indian inability.

There's a very fine line between bravery and foolishness. There is no question of guts here.

And we have all seen the bravery of the Americans when they were "concerned" when just the barricades on the road were removed or the time when Modi had a few Indians gathering near their consulate in Mumbai ! Such bravery! You almost had me in tears!!

 

[Sashan]

I am asking you think.. Do you see any one other than US DA issuing statements like Indian courts are just Kangaroo court and because of that the family has been evacuated? This itself is a contempt of court and US publically announced it.. Now you are just talking blindly about things.. It is US embassy's prerogative to provide visa to anyone?? Then Taliban can also say that its their prerogative to give safety to Bin Laden and If US wanted, they could have safe guarded twin tower rather than attacking Afghanistan.. Dude you are just stating nonsense here.. India issued notice to US about people under trial.. It was US obligation to respect Indian law..

DA's statement is foolish. Beyond that it is not me who is spitting out nonsense. You are doing that - like raising questions why US issued visa after India advised it - Repeating again - Visa issuance is a prerogative of a country and lets not go there who would US issue visa to and not. If the GOI has a case, asking the person to submit the passport with the authorities if they believe he is a flight risk is the appropriate measure. Instead India advised US that he might migrate but still US issued visa - Do you know how stupid you sound?

Beyond that, you have not answered my question about the case against Richard. I know you would not as deep under you know it is wrong but you are blinded by the false nationalism that an Indian consular official was arrested. Get it right dude. She may or may not represent India but her actions have a bearing on the reputation of India. Like how the actions of Indians and Indian-Americans in US have a bearing on India's reputation. So get off the high horse here and see for what the incident is worth it and look at it through the prism of moral fiber. These maids may have lied during visa filing but trying to portray them as vindictive bitches is wrong. Look up how these maids' passports are taken away and held by the Indian embassy here suspecting they might run away paving way for abuse by these diplomats and consular officials.

Jeez - you and many here need to get priorities right.

 

[Iggy]

DA's statement is foolish. Beyond that it is not me who is spitting out nonsense. You are doing that - like raising questions why US issued visa after India advised it - Repeating again - Visa issuance is a prerogative of a country and lets not go there who would US issue visa to and not. If the GOI has a case, asking the person to submit the passport with the authorities if they believe he is a flight risk is the appropriate measure. Instead India advised US that he might migrate but still US issued visa - Do you know how stupid you sound?

Ohh please.. This is the standard procedure.. DA's foolish statement is what which made the harm in the matter.. Let me ask you some thing.. We are not some autocratic country to put someone in jail with out any trial..

Beyond that, you have not answered my question about the case against Richard. I know you would not as deep under you know it is wrong but you are blinded by the false nationalism that an Indian consular official was arrested. Get it right dude. She may or may not represent India but her actions have a bearing on the reputation of India. Like how the actions of Indians and Indian-Americans in US have a bearing on India's reputation. So get off the high horse here and see for what the incident is worth it and look at it through the prism of moral fiber. These maids may have lied during visa filing but trying to portray them as vindictive bitches is wrong. Look up how these maids' passports are taken away and held by the Indian embassy here suspecting they might run away paving way for abuse by these diplomats and consular officials.

Jeez - you and many here need to get priorities right.

Please my priorities are simple and right.. Many members including me stated that, we are not supporting the action of the women here but the position she was holding. It is you who run on circles claiming that she is a fraud and many other things.. She is an Indian diplomat and her position has to be respected. There is no high horse here.. As I mentioned it with Devalopro, you think about it.. Do you see any maid in India making around 1 lakh rupees? Chances are she agreed with the salary and signed the document for easy visa.. She might be a part of it too.. Maid's passport was suspended once she gone missing.. Do not twist news here mate..

 

[Iggy]

And @Sashan, I guess it is prerogative of US to provide air tickets also to those families :rollseyes:

 

[idune]

L'Affaire Khobragade: Unprecedented winter of discontent for India, US
December 27, 2013 10:37 IST

'The diplomat's arrest has led to a major diplomatic spat, the likes of which I have not seen in my nearly three decades of covering the US-India relationship, says Aziz Haniffa.
'The knee-jerk reaction by the powers-that-be in Delhi was myopic to say the least.'


Two of the highest ranking Indian Americans in the Barack Obama administration, Dr Rajiv Shah, Administrator, US Agency for International Development, and Islam 'Isi' Siddiqui, Chief Agricultural Negotiator, Office of the US Trade Representatives, were retained by President Obama. Siddiqui resigned last week after five years on the Obama team.

There was the nomination and Senate confirmation of Srikanth 'Sri' Srinivasan as the new federal judge in the US Court of Appeals in the District of Columbia, the second most powerful court in the US after the Supreme Court.

At the time Sri was being sworn in, Vijay Iyer was selected as a MacArthur Fellow with the clear acknowledgement that he was a jazz genius.

More historic firsts followed. The nomination and confirmation of Nisha Desai Biswal as the first Indian-American Assistant Secretary of State for South and Central Asian affairs, the appointment of Vikram Singh as Deputy Assistant Secretary of Defence for South Asia -- the first high-level Indian-American Pentagon appointee -- and the nomination of Middle East specialist Puneet Talwar as Assistant Secretary for Politico-Military Affairs, even as he was an integral part of the US negotiations with Iran from his perch at the National Security Council.

President Obama nominated Dr Vivek Murthy as the new Surgeon General. There was the buzz surrounding the primary challenge by Ro Khanna to the California Congressional seat held by the iconic Asian-American legislator Mike Honda, with Silicon Valley heavyweights squarely behind Khanna's campaign.

Even before he formally declared, the $700 billion dollar man Neel Kashkari's gubernatorial interest in California, challenging incumbent Jerry Brown, had the mainstream media abuzz.

Former Iowa state senator Swati Dandekar also threw her hat into the Congressional ring, with the Democratic establishment squarely behind her run.

GOP Governors Bobby Jindal and Nikki Haley, of Louisiana and South Carolina respectively, proved their mettle and also raised funds for each other.

Jindal, in the clearest sign yet that he is seriously considering a bid for the Republican Presidential nomination in 2016, unveiled the formation of his new organisation, America Next, a nonprofit to promote conservative policy ideas.

L'Affaire Khobragade: Unprecedented winter of discontent for India, US - Rediff.com India News

None of these indian origin people Obama promoted and placed spoken out for US and against indian propaganda tactics. This questions loyalty of these people. Obama and US establishment should take note of that.

 

[fallstuff]

After reading this, I think the arrest was a blessing in disguise.. We were giving too much perks to the US.. Its high time we stop this..




We are not talking about your country.. Do not get confused.. Not every country's judiciary and government work as a "yesman"( I do know better words to use here) for other countries.

There is a clear line between fantasy world and the realms of reality, I doubt you know what that is.

Indians court rulings specially confessions entered by prosecutors are taken with a grain of salt and typically not acceptable in Canada.

It will probably get thrown away in USA under a challenge by any competent lawyer as confessions are routinely obtained using physical torture.

Hence the removal of the family of the maid, yup, they are offering her witness protection program !!!

It tells you what the US Justice system thinks about the Indian justice system. You realize your system is being held as the same standard as Organized Crime.

It reminds me the case of mob boss John Gotti.

 

[JayAtl]

In the first place, I along with most other Indians, do not get the 'Sangeeta is a victim' scenario. She was happy with the salary in India. But after going to the US, she felt she was exploited. The MEA started legal proceedings against the maid and the US authorities were informed. Now I won't go into the details of the 5 month drama, but the US authorities were informed. They did not even bother to reply and instead help the maid's family move to the US citing the reason that their lives were in danger. You cannot question our judicial system and expect to get away easily.

And no, I am not the prosecuting officer. I got those details here.....


Debate: Bias and prejudice - 2-The Newshour-TIMESNOW.tv - Latest Breaking News, Big News Stories, News Videos

Do watch this 15 min video.
BTW, I like American English where simple blackmail has such a fancy name "settlement negotiation".

what is that Video showing- other than some Indians making a fool of themselves on that show?

- you have the father of the accused making statements not backed by any proof. His word taken as the truth.
- you have a moronic moderator always interrupting people
- you have other clowns, who kept taking about wal-mart, slavery and ambulance chasing... which has nothing to do with the case.

yeah , you got the details from the father of the accused . a bias source. whooo!

lastly, under what grounds was India asking for a deportation? That fact that the maid complained- what was the crime she committed? . This woman consular allegedly committed a crime and was indicated . If she is innocent of the crime she will be acquitted

and apparently you are not aware of " settlement negotiations " taking place in every civilized judicial system's civil cases or " plea bargains" when done in criminal cases. It takes place in indian systems too... it is not blackmail. It is a " settlement negotiation". example : when you had satyam IT group busted , they settled on the amount of fines being paid. They negotiated with the indian govt...