India spanks USA over diplomat arrest issue !

[Sashan]

"Pseudo nationalists" ?? Dude........this an epic low to be honest.
How do you sleep at night ?



Dick.

It is a story of two set of Indians here.


One set:

1. illiterate maids, some of them less than 18 year old, whose fault is dream of American lifestyle and go with their employers in lying for visas.
2. What they discover? Overworked - long hours and weekends, paid a pittance compared to other maids($120 per month in case of the teenager - Shanthi Gurung),most of them see their passports taken away.


Other set:


1. the elites, the supposed "representatives" of India, who break the laws with impunity - hiding behind diplomatic immunity(Neena Malhotra) and corrupt to the core(Adarsh scam, non-declaration of assets to MEA etc) who hire these maids - committing visa fraud, labor law violation and most of all Human trafficking and slavery(when they retain the passports)
2. File case against their families for non-cooperation in India and taking even their children into custody to intimidate them which does not even happen to the families of IM terrorists or even the dreaded terrorist, Dawood's family.
3. Run away to India if they have full immunity and when US moved against one of the elites who does not have immunity, they move in to protect one of the corrupts at any expense.


I sleep well knowing fully that it is a matter of illiterate maids vs corrupt officials and there is nothing illegal on what US did.


My question back at you - do you sleep well? And how do you measure the honesty?

And beyond that it is very easy for me to call someone dick,prick, freak or use some extreme expletives. It is not going to make me look more patriotic or prove a point. So can we keep the language civil here?

Regardless of the treatment meted out to her, I see no reason for the Indian establishment to go out on a limb to protect the interests of this odius creature. I feel the protests lodged and measures to curb privileges of US consular staff are proportional and adequate in the circumstances.Given her tainted background and the manner in which she and her family exploited the quota system and their official positions to enrich themselves over the years, Khobragade deserves everything she gets from the US judicial system (although cavity searches, if true, might have been a step too far).

If they had done the same for Krittika Biswas, I could understand as she was innocent as proved later(or even otherwise she is a teenager) but protecting this corrupt official?

And there is no cavity search. It is just the media created a frenzy. She was asked to change from the dress what she was wearing to a prison clothing with her bra and panties on under the watch of a female officer - in short a strip search.

 

[Marigold]

what is that Video showing- other than some Indians making a fool of themselves on that show?

- you have the father of the accused making statements not backed by any proof. His word taken as the truth.
- you have a moronic moderator always interrupting people
- you have other clowns, who kept taking about wal-mart, slavery and ambulance chasing... which has nothing to do with the case.

yeah , you got the details from the father of the accused . a bias source. whooo!

lastly, under what grounds was India asking for a deportation? That fact that the maid complained- what was the crime she committed? . This woman consular allegedly committed a crime and was indicated . If she is innocent of the crime she will be acquitted

and apparently you are not aware of " settlement negotiations " taking place in every civilized judicial system's civil cases or " plea bargains" when done in criminal cases. It takes place in indian systems too... it is not blackmail. It is a " settlement negotiation". example : when you had satyam IT group busted , they settled on the amount of fines being paid. They negotiated with the indian govt...

Is that what you think. the Indians making fools of themselves? The maid has a case registered against her long before the US started proceedings against the diplomat. A Delhi Court issued a non-bailable arrest warrant against Sangeeta Richards on November 19, 2013, which was forwarded to US embassy for her immediate arrest. The MEA was handling the case. Hence the request for deportation.
You think the father is lying?
I have one more source for you.

Richard demanded $10,000 from Khobragade, change in visa status, termination of contract - The American Bazaar
State Department ignored repeated requests by Khobragade on ‘missing’ maid.

Deepak Chitnis

WASHINGTON, DC: The timeline of events that led to arrest of India’s Deputy Consul General Devyani Khobragade in New York City last week is becoming clearer.

According to sources who spoke with The American Bazaar, the whole fiasco began as early as June, when Khobragade’s maid, Sangeetha Richard, asked for permission to be employed elsewhere, essentially asking that she be released from working for Khobragade. She had been working as Khobragade’s maid/servant since November of 2012, when she originally came to the US.

This request was refused, as the maid was in the US on an official passport — different from a general passport and diplomatic passport — that allowed her only to work for the person she initially came to the US for, which was Khobragade.

Shortly thereafter, on June 23, Richard was reported as missing by the Consulate General of India (CGI). On June 24, the Indian Embassy contacted the Office of Foreign Missions (OFM) in New York City, notifying them that an Indian citizen with an official passport was roaming around the city and that no one knew where she was.

Khobragade also attempted to file a missing persons report with the New York Police Department (NYPD) when Richard initially went missing on June 23, but was rebuffed because of the fact that she is not a family member of Richard.

On June 25, a letter was sent to the NYPD explaining that the maid was missing and that it was imperative she be found. On a date shortly afterward — a specific date was not given — the NYPD did speak with Khobragade regarding the details of the case, but it apparently gained no traction.

The plot thickened on July 1, when a phone call was made to Khobragade by a woman claiming to be the lawyer of Sangeetha Richard. The woman said that her client was looking for compensation, a change in her visa status, and a termination of her contract to work solely for Khobragade. If these demands were not met, legal action would be taken.

The following day, Khobragade filed a complaint with police in New Delhi against Richard. The CGI also contacted the NYPD for assistance with tracing the call, but it was unsuccessful.

On July 5, Khobragade filed a complaint against Richard, claiming extortion. A formal letter was sent to the NYPD expressing the grievances, but the NYPD allegedly never responded, nor took any action.

The same day in New Delhi, an FIR was filed against Richards’ family for willful deceit and attempting to illegally immigrate to the US via wrongful means. The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) contacted the US Embassy in New Delhi to express their concerns about the lack of movement from the NYPD, and requested assistance in apprehending Richard. Meanwhile, the Indian Embassy in Washington, DC contacted the Department of State for assistance, as well.

Both inquiries for help, however, went unanswered.

On July 8, the Indian Embassy officially revoked Richards’ passport, terminated her personal IDs, and notified the US government about the situation. It is unclear which department of the US government was notified at this point, but likely the Department of State.

Also on July 8, Khobragade had a meeting with Richard and her attorney at the law offices of Access Immigration, a law firm in New York City that is private and has no government affiliation. Once again, Richards’ terms were re-iterated: $10,000 restitution, change in visa status, and termination of contract.

Khobragade countered by saying that when Richard disappeared suddenly weeks earlier, she had taken a phone, SIM cards, documents (her contract, etc.), and some money, therefore she was a thief.

The CGI once again contacted the OFM in New York for assistance in catching Richard on July 30, but this request also apparently fell on deaf ears.

The case stayed relatively quiet until September 4, when the Indian Embassy received a letter from the Department of State regarding the Khobragade/Richard problem. Sources say that the embassy was simply made aware that a former maid was making her grievances known and was accusing Khobragade of various things, and that the Embassy may want to investigate it.

The letter did not, allegedly, say anything whatsoever about the Embassy’s previous attempts to solve the matter, nor did it say anything about Khobragade’s, CGI’s, or the Indian government’s efforts in this regard.

On September 10, the MEA contacted the US Embassy in New Delhi, protesting the content and tone of this letter. This was supposedly done at the Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) level.

Ten days later, on September 20, the Delhi High Court issued an injunction against Richard and her husband, restricting them from initiating any legal actions or proceedings against Khobragade in any courts, tribunals, or forums outside India, in regards her employment under Khobragade.

Sometime in early October, the Indian Embassy once again reached out to the State Department, listing the efforts it made to nab Richard thus far and asking for the State Department’s help. This communique did not yield any results.

On November 19, the Metropolitan Magistrate of the South District of New Delhi issued a bailable arrest warrant against Richard.

On December 6, the Indian Embassy and the MEA wrote letters to the Department of State and the US Embassy in New Delhi, respectively, requesting an arrest warrant on Richard, so that she could be brought to justice and go through due process in Indian courts.

As of today, that request still has not been answered.

Finally, last Thursday, December 12, Khobragade was arrested in New York City for visa fraud and paying her worker below the minimum wage.

Several facts of the case are still shrouded in mystery at this point. Perhaps most importantly is the question of why the US government allegedly paid no heed to repeated attempts on India’s part to apprehend this house worker. More will surely be unraveled in the coming days.

Now what, the correspondent is biased or lying?

 

[JayAtl]

Is that what you think. the Indians making fools of themselves? The maid has a case registered against her long before the US started proceedings against the diplomat. A Delhi Court issued a non-bailable arrest warrant against Sangeeta Richards on November 19, 2013, which was forwarded to US embassy for her immediate arrest. The MEA was handling the case. Hence the request for deportation.
You think the father is lying?
I have one more source for you.

Richard demanded $10,000 from Khobragade, change in visa status, termination of contract - The American Bazaar
State Department ignored repeated requests by Khobragade on ‘missing’ maid.

Deepak Chitnis

WASHINGTON, DC: The timeline of events that led to arrest of India’s Deputy Consul General Devyani Khobragade in New York City last week is becoming clearer.

According to sources who spoke with The American Bazaar, the whole fiasco began as early as June, when Khobragade’s maid, Sangeetha Richard, asked for permission to be employed elsewhere, essentially asking that she be released from working for Khobragade. She had been working as Khobragade’s maid/servant since November of 2012, when she originally came to the US.

This request was refused, as the maid was in the US on an official passport — different from a general passport and diplomatic passport — that allowed her only to work for the person she initially came to the US for, which was Khobragade.

Shortly thereafter, on June 23, Richard was reported as missing by the Consulate General of India (CGI). On June 24, the Indian Embassy contacted the Office of Foreign Missions (OFM) in New York City, notifying them that an Indian citizen with an official passport was roaming around the city and that no one knew where she was.

Khobragade also attempted to file a missing persons report with the New York Police Department (NYPD) when Richard initially went missing on June 23, but was rebuffed because of the fact that she is not a family member of Richard.

On June 25, a letter was sent to the NYPD explaining that the maid was missing and that it was imperative she be found. On a date shortly afterward — a specific date was not given — the NYPD did speak with Khobragade regarding the details of the case, but it apparently gained no traction.

The plot thickened on July 1, when a phone call was made to Khobragade by a woman claiming to be the lawyer of Sangeetha Richard. The woman said that her client was looking for compensation, a change in her visa status, and a termination of her contract to work solely for Khobragade. If these demands were not met, legal action would be taken.

The following day, Khobragade filed a complaint with police in New Delhi against Richard. The CGI also contacted the NYPD for assistance with tracing the call, but it was unsuccessful.

On July 5, Khobragade filed a complaint against Richard, claiming extortion. A formal letter was sent to the NYPD expressing the grievances, but the NYPD allegedly never responded, nor took any action.

The same day in New Delhi, an FIR was filed against Richards’ family for willful deceit and attempting to illegally immigrate to the US via wrongful means. The Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) contacted the US Embassy in New Delhi to express their concerns about the lack of movement from the NYPD, and requested assistance in apprehending Richard. Meanwhile, the Indian Embassy in Washington, DC contacted the Department of State for assistance, as well.

Both inquiries for help, however, went unanswered.

On July 8, the Indian Embassy officially revoked Richards’ passport, terminated her personal IDs, and notified the US government about the situation. It is unclear which department of the US government was notified at this point, but likely the Department of State.

Also on July 8, Khobragade had a meeting with Richard and her attorney at the law offices of Access Immigration, a law firm in New York City that is private and has no government affiliation. Once again, Richards’ terms were re-iterated: $10,000 restitution, change in visa status, and termination of contract.

Khobragade countered by saying that when Richard disappeared suddenly weeks earlier, she had taken a phone, SIM cards, documents (her contract, etc.), and some money, therefore she was a thief.

The CGI once again contacted the OFM in New York for assistance in catching Richard on July 30, but this request also apparently fell on deaf ears.

The case stayed relatively quiet until September 4, when the Indian Embassy received a letter from the Department of State regarding the Khobragade/Richard problem. Sources say that the embassy was simply made aware that a former maid was making her grievances known and was accusing Khobragade of various things, and that the Embassy may want to investigate it.

The letter did not, allegedly, say anything whatsoever about the Embassy’s previous attempts to solve the matter, nor did it say anything about Khobragade’s, CGI’s, or the Indian government’s efforts in this regard.

On September 10, the MEA contacted the US Embassy in New Delhi, protesting the content and tone of this letter. This was supposedly done at the Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM) level.

Ten days later, on September 20, the Delhi High Court issued an injunction against Richard and her husband, restricting them from initiating any legal actions or proceedings against Khobragade in any courts, tribunals, or forums outside India, in regards her employment under Khobragade.

Sometime in early October, the Indian Embassy once again reached out to the State Department, listing the efforts it made to nab Richard thus far and asking for the State Department’s help. This communique did not yield any results.

On November 19, the Metropolitan Magistrate of the South District of New Delhi issued a bailable arrest warrant against Richard.

On December 6, the Indian Embassy and the MEA wrote letters to the Department of State and the US Embassy in New Delhi, respectively, requesting an arrest warrant on Richard, so that she could be brought to justice and go through due process in Indian courts.

As of today, that request still has not been answered.

Finally, last Thursday, December 12, Khobragade was arrested in New York City for visa fraud and paying her worker below the minimum wage.

Several facts of the case are still shrouded in mystery at this point. Perhaps most importantly is the question of why the US government allegedly paid no heed to repeated attempts on India’s part to apprehend this house worker. More will surely be unraveled in the coming days.

Now what, the correspondent is biased or lying?

my response is very simple... just because you think the consular had issued complaints , does not make the complaints legit! Just because your courts issued deportation does not mean we will deport. We have to hear and give the maid her chance to fight the deportation...it is an inherent right of anyone legally here, hell even illegals get a day in court to fight deportation in the US.

This would be like China complaining about the dalia lama and asking India to deport him. Their courts have issued immediate deportation too...

all of the above shows that it is one sided effort, kinda astonishing how Indian courts think they have jurisdiction over the world. All based on a FIR , which we know a horses arse can go file in India over any BS ( remember the richard gere episode ?)

In our country, just because you have a complaint lodged in a foreign country, everyone STILL has a right to duo process. It is apparent that the maid wanted to leave, perhaps because of the abuse ( but you guys in your national fever never account for the other side of the story). she should have been allowed to, this is not forced labor. a simple " you want to leave then leave, but your passport gets revoked because that is the law"-- after that if you want to to Immigration and apply for legal residency then it is on you..."

what happened here is that the consular wanted to take revenge and this has now blown up in her face.

 

[Sashan]

my response is very simple... just because you think the consular had issued complaints , does not make the complaints legit! Just because your courts issued deportation does not mean we will deport. We have to hear and give the maid her chance to fight the deportation...it is an inherent right of anyone legally here, hell even illegals get a day in court to fight deportation in the US.

This would be like China complaining about the dalia lama and asking India to deport him. Their courts have issued immediate deportation too...

all of the above shows that it is one sided effort, kinda astonishing how Indian courts think they have jurisdiction over the world. All based on a FIR , which we know a horses arse can go file in India over any BS ( remember the richard gere episode ?)

In our country, just because you have a complaint lodged in a foreign country, everyone STILL has a right to duo process. It is apparent that the maid wanted to leave, perhaps because of the abuse ( but you guys in your national fever never account for the other side of the story). she should have been allowed to, this is not forced labor. a simple " you want to leave then leave, but your passport gets revoked because that is the law"-- after that if you want to to Immigration and apply for legal residency then it is on you..."

what happened here is that the consular wanted to take revenge and this has now blown up in her face.

You have summed it up very well. Not that any Indians here will think through with an iota of moral fiber. They are caught in a frenzy of as you put it - national fever.

 

[flamer84]

Can someone tell me how the atmosphere is in India after the diplomat was sentenced to life in prison ??

If you ask me,the jury was to harsh.

 

[idune]

“Receiving diplomatic immunity does not nullify any previously existing criminal charges,” said Jen Psaki, the State Department spokeswoman. “Those remain on the books.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/28/w...r-employee-retaliation.html?pagewanted=2&_r=0

 

[livingdead]

Can someone tell me how the atmosphere is in India after the diplomat was sentenced to life in prison ??

If you ask me,the jury was to harsh.

which diplomat received life sentense?

 

[Juice]

US officials have issues with reading simple English ?

No...if it was filled out wrong....she should have addressed that issue when it was first brought to her attention.

 

[Marigold]

my response is very simple... just because you think the consular had issued complaints , does not make the complaints legit! Just because your courts issued deportation does not mean we will deport. We have to hear and give the maid her chance to fight the deportation...it is an inherent right of anyone legally here, hell even illegals get a day in court to fight deportation in the US.

This would be like China complaining about the dalia lama and asking India to deport him. Their courts have issued immediate deportation too...

all of the above shows that it is one sided effort, kinda astonishing how Indian courts think they have jurisdiction over the world. All based on a FIR , which we know a horses arse can go file in India over any BS ( remember the richard gere episode ?)

In our country, just because you have a complaint lodged in a foreign country, everyone STILL has a right to duo process. It is apparent that the maid wanted to leave, perhaps because of the abuse ( but you guys in your national fever never account for the other side of the story). she should have been allowed to, this is not forced labor. a simple " you want to leave then leave, but your passport gets revoked because that is the law"-- after that if you want to to Immigration and apply for legal residency then it is on you..."

what happened here is that the consular wanted to take revenge and this has now blown up in her face.

You and I have opposite ideas about who the victim here is, you think it's the maid and I think it's the diplomat. So let us agree to disagree there.

About this matter blowing up in the diplomat's face, I don't think so. The timing is perfect. Normally the congress (INC) favours the US and tends to ignore such matters. But with elections approaching, they don't really have a choice. So, I don't think this matter will be resolved any time soon.

And last but not the least, are you seriously comparing the Dalai Lama with the Richards family? His Holiness seeked and has been granted political asylum in India. He wasn't running away on a T visa because his spouse had an arrest warrant in her name. Furthermore, we are honoured to have His Holiness in our country, this is his home now. Can you say the same about that family? I don't think so. So please don't make such comparisons.

I understand, your laws have been violated. But the authorities could have pursued the matter in a more sensible manner. So, as I said earlier, with the elections approaching, Congress will have to put its love for the US on hold. And your countrymen have stepped on too many toes within the MEA and diplomatic circles.

 

[Sashan]

No...if it was filled out wrong....she should have addressed that issue when it was first brought to her attention.

It was the official who filled up the DS-160 on behalf of the maid as it was filed from the computer of the official. Also how would the maid know about the official's salary to fill it up wrongly in the DS-160. And the agent who had filed the case has clearly attributing the filing of DS-160 to the official. So any mistake in the form is the official's and not the maid's.

 

[boomslang]

We're STILL at this ? Holy cow ( no pun intended) !!

 

[Sashan]

We're STILL at this ? Holy cow ( no pun intended) !!

Lol - trying to play catchup. Not that it matters anymore(I am more interested in the Colorado news at this time )

Devyani Khobragade case: US to proceed with her prosecution, no question of apology, sources say

NEW YORK: US is proceeding with the prosecution of senior Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade and has no intention to withdraw the case of visa fraud against her.

US sources here said today that more evidence was being gathered against the 39-year-old diplomat before the indictment is filed. The deadline for indictment is January 13.

There is no question of apology to India over the arrest of Khobragade, the then deputy consul general of India, in New York on December 12 which has led to strong protests by the Indian government and widespread indignation in India.

The Indian government has demanded withdrawal of the case and an apology for the treatment meted out to the diplomat.
The sources said that the US government intended to proceed with the prosecution of Khobragade. The indictment will be brought, they emphasised.

They said that everything with regard to the Indian diplomat had been done by the book and that there was no nefarious motive.

The sources replied in the negative when asked if Khobragade, who has been transferred from the Indian Consulate to the country's mission to the UN subsequent to her arrest, enjoyed full diplomatic immunity at present.

They conceded, though, that if she gets UN immunity the diplomat cannot be prosecuted or brought to court for the period of the immunity. The case will be in "suspension" but will not be dismissed, they said.

After getting the UN immunity if she went back to India and then again comes on a visit to the US, she could face arrest since the charges would stand, the sources added.

Devyani Khobragade case: US to proceed with her prosecution, no question of apology, sources say - The Times of India

 

[idune]

Devyani Khobragade case: US to proceed with her prosecution, no question of apology, sources say


Devyani Khobragade case: US to proceed with her prosecution, no question of apology, sources say - The Times of India

Month long indian huff and puff, doing this and that all went down the drain? Dang, India is powerful.

 

[Solomon2]

After getting the UN immunity if she went back to India and then again comes on a visit to the US, she could face arrest since the charges would stand, the sources added.

It doesn't work that way. The rights of personnel in U.N. missions are governed by the 1946 CONVENTION ON THE PRIVILEGES AND IMMUNITIES OF THE UNITED NATIONS. Look at Section 14:

SECTION 14. Privileges and immunities are accorded to the representatives of Members not for the personal benefit of the irdividuals themselves, but in order to safeguard the independent exercise of their functions in connection with the United Nations. Consequently a Member not only has the right but is under a duty to waive the immunity of its representative in any case where in the opinion of the Member the immunity would impede the course of justice, and it can be waived without prejudice to the purpose for which the immunity is accorded.

That's right, ladies and gentlemen: unlike "ordinary" diplomatic immunities, in this case India would be expected to waive Khobragade's immunities as soon as they were granted. After all, the explicit reason for India doing this is to impede the course of justice, and the U.N. says that's a no-no.

Of course, I don't expect India to do such a thing. I expect India's diplomats, valuing their personal perks and privileges above everything else, will snub the U.N. and most of the member-states by continuing to abuse the system. No cash settlement for the family a là Raymond Davis! No, just steal Khobragade home, hail her as a hero, ignore the enmity, and strut about clucking that India is now powerful enough to defy everybody!

 

[fallstuff]

India was given a chance to withdraw her back in September, India didn't do that. I guess she didn't want to leave NY as her husband lives in USA or thought somehow she could work her way out of it, she failed, failed badly to say the least.

The U.S Attorney was handed over the case after India failed to withdraw her.

I think the strip search was just a show of will, they didn't have to do that, but they wanted to make an example out of her.