India spanks USA over diplomat arrest issue !

[SrNair]

one stupid assumption after another.

the maid is on an Indian company/ government payroll but her salary must meet minimum salaries and labor laws when in the US! It is a law followed by all. They lived on US property not in the consulate building!

Obviously you have no clue about international laws... you have no business in this topic

Secondly, if you think she did not have to follow US labor laws then WHY DID THE DIPLOMAT NOT PUT Rupees 30k on the form? WHY did she lie about it?

you must be one those caste system guys who thinks maids are just lower caste people to be treated like slaves.

also- The family of a person even if the person is a criminal, are not criminals themselves you dolt! you don't even know basic judicial laws of your own country! i.e. if your son is murderer that does not mean your family are murderers too! family of the maid has all the right to leave and go anywhere they want to.

then I don't know anything about this russian case you speak off and one that has got your panties in a wad. BUT judging by your propensity to introduce irrelevant examples into a topic- I am sure it has no bearing in here, period.

You don't treat your guests as gods, stop that bs...nobody is a god. you treat them within your laws. if you want to worship them, then it is on you!

Your diplomat committed a crime , she lied and she brought shame on her country. period. and it becoming obvious she committed fraud in India too

it is getting really nauseous to debate someone who is visibly an undereducated fella from india discussing international topics.

I know about Indian laws.

You again deliberatily ignore my point .There is a injunction against her in Delhi court .She is under payroll of Indian government at that time .So she must obey Indian Court rule.
For you ,US law is god and only know that .But it is not like that.
Dont try to personal attack.I am an Engineer .I know some laws that a citizen must know in our country.
US treated Russian diplomat and Indian diplomats in different way.US senators also questioned state
dept action against Russian diplomats.Do you know why?.Russian foriegn minister already told
to US if they mistreat Russian ,US diplomats in Russia also face similar fate.
You idiot dont know the basic of the topic.Devyani Khobragade is a low caste person.
Some idiots in US think twisted way.

If you have no point to counter my argument then please STFU.

I've not missed a single point.

what arrest is not humiliating? if you don't want to be humiliated then don't commit a crime. The only part where this could have been handled better was discretion of not being strip searched i.e. not asked to change into jail clothing. This is no body cavity search btw, you strip to bra and panties, wear jail clothes in the presence of a female officer.


Let me tell you - had it been me an american arrested- what would have happened.

1. handcuffed on the spot
2. throw in the back of car and taken to jail
3. Booked , finger printed, photographed
4. given one call from pay phone to make " collect call only"
5. strip searched and thrown in jail till I made bail or saw a judge

what did she get?
1. Not handcuffed at point of arrest
2. allowed to sit in the car for 2 hrs making calls from her cellphone, with her cellphone
3. Booked , finger printed, photographed
4. Change into Jail clothing " known as strip search" and put in a cell

Again the only thing, given the low bar of her crime that we should have done is avoided the " changing into Jail clothing part". That is all that I would say could have been done because even americans can get that discretion, but depends on the booking officers in the jail.

Our laws are superior is many ways and citizens have way more rights than Indians do. and they are not to the level of absurd discrimination that indian laws still have. You even have laws about hindu and muslim marriages... how archaic is that? anyways...

Want to arrest americans on anti gay laws - do it. go to their bedrooms and watch them in the act -because just putting arms around each other is not evidence. if it were you would have straight indian males being put behind bars.

US diplomats depending on the level of immunity should be expected the same. US even put a saudi princess in jail recently for same crap.... Saudi princess, Meshael Alayban, accused of human trafficking 'slave maid' is cleared of all charges | Mail Online

what this guy sreekumar is saying is pure asinine ! his argument is no crime is committed.

I do have to wonder how come the dignity of the maid is not a question with you guys? All the BS I keep hearing about her( maid) is coming from the diplomats side of the aisle.

The diplomat may well be proved to be innocent, but the hooting and hollering by most of you guys seem to be about the diplomat's treatment. is the maid not a human too?

and what is worse is it seems this woman diplomat is all out crook... she is involved in that apartment scandal in india too.

I agree Indian diplomat committed a crime .I also pointed it in my early post.But you dont even try to read that.Even if she committed a crime ,before arrest you must notify your own state dept about that.She is not a tourists or refugees or NRI.US already know about salaries given to the Indian employees in Indian embassy and they know it early that It is less than US standard .But they deliberatily take this case insult that diplomat ,that what i am talking about.
And you have no response

 

[Sashan]

There is a video on Youtube of her being stripped naked and lying on the floor and her cavity is being searched. Most of it is blurred but you can make out that she is forced to comply. Why are the men police officers doing all the strip search?? It is demeaning to say the least. You will change your stance how she was treated.

Watched the video as well. Most of it is blurred or all of it is blurred? And you believe in someone's mischievous attempt?

 

[my2cents]

Watched the video as well. Most of it is blurred or all of it is blurred? And you believe in someone's mischievous attempt?

Can't make out if it is fake as most of it is blurred. I just hope it is fake.

 

[Sashan]

Can't make out if it is fake as most of it is blurred. I just hope it is fake.

Who would in the good senses within US Marshals office release an arrest video even if one exists when they have officially claimed through their spokesperson that there was no cavity search but only a strip search handled by a female official opening themselves up for a law suit? And if the intention is to expose, then don't you think they would have left the face unblurred?

 

[Roybot]

Oops looks like someone fcked up big time.

[url="http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/devyani-khobragade-arrest-us-official-made-serious-mistake-in-reading-paperwork-says-lawyer-462862?pfrom=home-lateststories"]Devyani Khobragade arrest: US official made serious mistake in reading paperwork, says lawyer | NDTV.com[/URL]

New York: Devyani Khobragade's lawyer today said US authorities goofed up in the investigation and arrest of the Indian diplomat on charges of visa fraud as a federal agent made a "serious" mistake in reading the paperwork submitted regarding her domestic help's salary.

Daniel Arshack, Ms Khobragade's lawyer, said Mark Smith, the Diplomatic Security Services agent handled the investigation and arrest of Ms Khobragade and drew up and swore to the accuracy of the formal complaint in the case.

Mr Smith "simply made an error in reading the DS-160 form which supported the visa application for the domestic worker, Sangeeta Richard," Mr Arshack told PTI.

"He erroneously and disastrously believed that the USD 4,500 per month salary entry on the form was Richard's expected salary when, in fact, it was clearly a reporting of the base salary to be earned by the employer, Khobragade, in the US," he said.

The lawyer said Ms Khobagrade's base salary figure of USD 4,500 per month was required and appropriately reported on the DS-160 form, which is the online non-immigrant visa application required to be submitted by those seeking US visas.

It was submitted so that US Embassy officials in New Delhi could determine that Ms Khobragade would be earning enough money to afford to pay Ms Richard the USD 1,560 per month (9.75$/hour for 40 hours a week) which had been agreed to according to the contract between two.

"Somebody who messes up on the paperwork and causes a terrible thing to occur is very, very serious," Mr Arshack said.

Meanwhile, UN spokeswoman Morana Song confirmed Ms Khobragade's accreditation to the United Nations headquarters in New York, saying, "The United Nations has received notification to register Ms Khobragade as a member of the Permanent Mission of India to the United Nations."

"We can confirm that the United Nations has processed this request as per its standard procedures," she said.

Ms Khobragade was arrested on December 12 on charges of making false declarations in a visa application for her housekeeper. She was released on a USD 250,000 bond after being charged with visa fraud. Subsequent revelations that she was strip-searched and held with criminals triggered a row between New Delhi and Washington.

 

[Sashan]

Oops looks like someone fcked up big time.

Devyani Khobragade arrest: US official made serious mistake in reading paperwork, says lawyer | NDTV.com

New York: Devyani Khobragade's lawyer today said US authorities goofed up in the investigation and arrest of the Indian diplomat on charges of visa fraud as a federal agent made a "serious" mistake in reading the paperwork submitted regarding her domestic help's salary.

Daniel Arshack, Ms Khobragade's lawyer, said Mark Smith, the Diplomatic Security Services agent handled the investigation and arrest of Ms Khobragade and drew up and swore to the accuracy of the formal complaint in the case.

Mr Smith "simply made an error in reading the DS-160 form which supported the visa application for the domestic worker, Sangeeta Richard," Mr Arshack told PTI.

"He erroneously and disastrously believed that the USD 4,500 per month salary entry on the form was Richard's expected salary when, in fact, it was clearly a reporting of the base salary to be earned by the employer, Khobragade, in the US," he said.

The lawyer said Ms Khobagrade's base salary figure of USD 4,500 per month was required and appropriately reported on the DS-160 form, which is the online non-immigrant visa application required to be submitted by those seeking US visas.

It was submitted so that US Embassy officials in New Delhi could determine that Ms Khobragade would be earning enough money to afford to pay Ms Richard the USD 1,560 per month (9.75$/hour for 40 hours a week) which had been agreed to according to the contract between two.

"Somebody who messes up on the paperwork and causes a terrible thing to occur is very, very serious," Mr Arshack said.

Meanwhile, UN spokeswoman Morana Song confirmed Ms Khobragade's accreditation to the United Nations headquarters in New York, saying, "The United Nations has received notification to register Ms Khobragade as a member of the Permanent Mission of India to the United Nations."

"We can confirm that the United Nations has processed this request as per its standard procedures," she said.

Ms Khobragade was arrested on December 12 on charges of making false declarations in a visa application for her housekeeper. She was released on a USD 250,000 bond after being charged with visa fraud. Subsequent revelations that she was strip-searched and held with criminals triggered a row between New Delhi and Washington.

People who had filled up DS-160 would know(I had filled 3 forms on behalf of my relatives myself) there is only one entry to be made regarding salary details in the form and that is the employee's salary(in case he is a tourist, he need to enter zero) and not employer's salary. From day one, Devyani's father was hung up on DS-160 and blamed the maid for filling up the form and now her attorney is pointing to misinterpretation by the investigating agent. Only adds to the murkiness though additional documents would have been filed including Devyani's sponsor letter indicating the salary etc(as I have done it myself).

Below from DS-160 FAQ.

VISA SERVICES | Embassy of the United States Tokyo, Japan

For applicants planning a short-term U.S. stay who will receive no income from a U.S. source, may answer as follows:

1. Name of employer: Name of your Employer in Japan
2. U.S. Street/City Address: Not applicable
3. State: Name of the state where your hotel is located (You may not leave this section blank).
4. Monthly Salary: Enter “Zero”
5. Do you have an application receipt/petition number: Enter “No

 

[Guynextdoor2]

I've not missed a single point.

what arrest is not humiliating? if you don't want to be humiliated then don't commit a crime. The only part where this could have been handled better was discretion of not being strip searched i.e. not asked to change into jail clothing. This is no body cavity search btw, you strip to bra and panties, wear jail clothes in the presence of a female officer.


Let me tell you - had it been me an american arrested- what would have happened.

1. handcuffed on the spot
2. throw in the back of car and taken to jail
3. Booked , finger printed, photographed
4. given one call from pay phone to make " collect call only"
5. strip searched and thrown in jail till I made bail or saw a judge

what did she get?
1. Not handcuffed at point of arrest
2. allowed to sit in the car for 2 hrs making calls from her cellphone, with her cellphone
3. Booked , finger printed, photographed
4. Change into Jail clothing " known as strip search" and put in a cell

Again the only thing, given the low bar of her crime that we should have done is avoided the " changing into Jail clothing part". That is all that I would say could have been done because even americans can get that discretion, but depends on the booking officers in the jail.

Our laws are superior is many ways and citizens have way more rights than Indians do. and they are not to the level of absurd discrimination that indian laws still have. You even have laws about hindu and muslim marriages... how archaic is that? anyways...

Want to arrest americans on anti gay laws - do it. go to their bedrooms and watch them in the act -because just putting arms around each other is not evidence. if it were you would have straight indian males being put behind bars.

US diplomats depending on the level of immunity should be expected the same. US even put a saudi princess in jail recently for same crap.... Saudi princess, Meshael Alayban, accused of human trafficking 'slave maid' is cleared of all charges | Mail Online

what this guy sreekumar is saying is pure asinine ! his argument is no crime is committed.

I do have to wonder how come the dignity of the maid is not a question with you guys? All the BS I keep hearing about her( maid) is coming from the diplomats side of the aisle.

The diplomat may well be proved to be innocent, but the hooting and hollering by most of you guys seem to be about the diplomat's treatment. is the maid not a human too?

and what is worse is it seems this woman diplomat is all out crook... she is involved in that apartment scandal in india too.

Irrelevant, govt representatives are special

 

[JanjaWeed]

So what does this revocation of this ID card achieve for india? Nothing, nada, zip.

Stop being Begani shadi mai Abdullah deewana. As far far as nada and zip goes...your problem how u want to tie your lungi and drive your auto in the streets of Dhaka

 

[Star Wars]

Oops looks like someone fcked up big time.

Devyani Khobragade arrest: US official made serious mistake in reading paperwork, says lawyer | NDTV.com

New York: Devyani Khobragade's lawyer today said US authorities goofed up in the investigation and arrest of the Indian diplomat on charges of visa fraud as a federal agent made a "serious" mistake in reading the paperwork submitted regarding her domestic help's salary.

Daniel Arshack, Ms Khobragade's lawyer, said Mark Smith, the Diplomatic Security Services agent handled the investigation and arrest of Ms Khobragade and drew up and swore to the accuracy of the formal complaint in the case.

Mr Smith "simply made an error in reading the DS-160 form which supported the visa application for the domestic worker, Sangeeta Richard," Mr Arshack told PTI.

"He erroneously and disastrously believed that the USD 4,500 per month salary entry on the form was Richard's expected salary when, in fact, it was clearly a reporting of the base salary to be earned by the employer, Khobragade, in the US," he said.

The lawyer said Ms Khobagrade's base salary figure of USD 4,500 per month was required and appropriately reported on the DS-160 form, which is the online non-immigrant visa application required to be submitted by those seeking US visas.

It was submitted so that US Embassy officials in New Delhi could determine that Ms Khobragade would be earning enough money to afford to pay Ms Richard the USD 1,560 per month (9.75$/hour for 40 hours a week) which had been agreed to according to the contract between two.

"Somebody who messes up on the paperwork and causes a terrible thing to occur is very, very serious," Mr Arshack said.

Meanwhile, UN spokeswoman Morana Song confirmed Ms Khobragade's accreditation to the United Nations headquarters in New York, saying, "The United Nations has received notification to register Ms Khobragade as a member of the Permanent Mission of India to the United Nations."

"We can confirm that the United Nations has processed this request as per its standard procedures," she said.

Ms Khobragade was arrested on December 12 on charges of making false declarations in a visa application for her housekeeper. She was released on a USD 250,000 bond after being charged with visa fraud. Subsequent revelations that she was strip-searched and held with criminals triggered a row between New Delhi and Washington.

US officials have issues with reading simple English ?

 

[idune]

Stop being Begani shadi mai Abdullah deewana. As far far as nada and zip goes...your problem how u want to tie your lungi and drive your auto in the streets of Dhaka

looks like my words hit where it hurts and obviously put indian action on spot. So we end up typical indian rant.

Oops looks like someone fcked up big time.

Devyani Khobragade arrest: US official made serious mistake in reading paperwork, says lawyer | NDTV.com

New York: Devyani Khobragade's lawyer today said ......

What Devyani Khobragade a practitioner of slavery and her lawyer said became big item of indian propaganda now. When in Sep US informed indian govt about the violation india did not find anything wrong with visa fraud and slave trade. Fact is Devyani Khobragade has no excuse to pay less than $4 ($3.31/hr to be exact) when minimum wage is $9.75. That requires salary to be little over $1500/month for 40 hrs/week work. US law required minimum that much to be paid. "$4500" story lawyer and indian media concocted is purely for public consumption and will not fly in court.

Besides, this is not first indian diplomat caught red handed with slave practice. Indians should come out of habit of blaming others for their uncivilized and barbaric actions.

 

[JanjaWeed]

looks like my words hit where it hurts and obviously put indian action on spot. So we end up typical indian rant.

You don't hit anyone anywhere. Just hilarious to notice when you guys butt in & try to be significant with your worthless contribution, at the same time yearning for attention from others! Wait in the line... you'll be noticed when your turn comes up!

 

[Developereo]

People who had filled up DS-160 would know

This clown of a lawyer doesn't even know how to read a simple form in English.

The DS-160 specifically asks for the monthly salary of the applicant. If this was Sangeeta Richard's form (i.e. she was the applicant), the salary amount would be her salary. There is no place on the form to put the sponsor's salary.

http://www.immihelp.com/visas/sample-ds-160-form-us-visa-application.pdf

 

[JayAtl]

Irrelevant, govt representatives are special

aren't you special...

 

[kbd-raaf]

This clown of a lawyer doesn't even know how to read a simple form in English.

The DS-160 specifically asks for the monthly salary of the applicant. If this was Sangeeta Richard's form (i.e. she was the applicant), the salary amount would be her salary. There is no place on the form to put the sponsor's salary.

http://www.immihelp.com/visas/sample-ds-160-form-us-visa-application.pdf

The Indian consulate needs to hire better lawyers.

 

[Sashan]

@Guynextdoor2

Looks like there is someone who knows better.

"She is not a CIA mole because the US has nothing to gain out of Sangeeta Richard. She was an employee at the home of a deputy consul general. I know for a fact that a deputy consul general has no secrets. Moreover, Sangeeta has no access to her employer's office."

- An excerpt from the interview of ex RAW counter-espionage section, Amar Bhushan.

'Talk of Sangeeta Richard being a CIA agent rubbish' - Rediff.com India News


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