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India spanks USA over diplomat arrest issue !
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you are making no sense. she committed a fraud, broke the law of the land. there is no two ways about it. the " strip search" of any diplomat when the infraction is of a lower bar should be avoided, as US laws permits that too-- but other than that she did commit a fraud, plain and simple.
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We realise that diplomat create a visa fraud .We understand that.If that is the case bring diplomats and maid in a US court and resolve that problem .she is not tourist ,refugee or terrorist .We cant send our diplomats to US for strip searching .If they want to do it.Do it with co-operation of Indian Embassy.
Let dont consider that .Consider US embassy pay for Sangeeta Richard family for securing US visa.
Who give authority to US to evacuate an Indian citizens under Indian Rule? Indian judiciary determine an Indian citizen is right or wrong .US have no authority for that.What is their response when India do something like this.?Russian diplomats cheat US citizens and What is US response?.An US embassy low level officials kill people in Kenya and get out from kenya with immunity. give me reason
We already collect information from US embassy over salaries in US embassies in India.If there is any
mistake in that then we can see
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1. US did not evacuate the maids family , they came over her legally on their own. there was no black hawks flying over their house kidnapping them. every indian citizen is free to travel if they get a visa. if you understand " legal issues" , the family was not under indictment ... they were and are free legal citizens of India and can travel as they please.
2. when other countries do it to us , we also arrest them
3. when we are presumed to have done an illegal act in another country- our citizens are also arrested
4. strip search is also in indian jails. Jail uniforms are also in indian jails. when people change clothes there is someone of the same gender also present in Indian Jails to make sure they don't slip any item from their civilian clothes into the jail. that is just sound security practice , practiced the world over
5. I agree - There is something called using better judgement by avoiding having the lady to " change in into jail uniforms" and that could have been done and should be done for all diplomats going forward- if the crime is deemed to be of a low degree. But that is a " discretion" and not unlawful for us to do so. Such discretion is afforded to US citizens too.
6. We have more rights in the US than Indians in India. somebody can post an " opinion" on facebook in India and they can be arrested i.e. if I say/post " all hindus and muslims are retarded"....I can be arrested in india and charged with a crime. so please spare me the outrage.
7. where is your demand for the rights of the maid? everything you are hearing is from the diplomat's side and her family about the maid. and you take their word for it!
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Ha ha maid rights we dont accept the story of that lady.INR 30000 month is a decent income in India.An engineer passout from IIT get less than 30000/month its initial stage.
Oh hoo when some family of some criminal in India came to US lawyer for legal protection .you will
evacuate that criminal or his family also from India becaue she/he is not a criminal under US law. we dont need that excuse.We already pass info about her absconding from June .What is she doing in US in all these month?More ridiculous is none in US no the location of that maid and if they know they are not publicise it.
You talk about US law ,We know and whole the world know what your soldiers did in Afghanistan,Iraq.US hyprocritical human rights champion will not work against India.David Coleman Headley work for CIA already known Indian officials.
You convieneintly ignore my question about Russian diplomats .And US senators still criticise US action that they cant do nothing against Russian for cheating.What did US do when that Russian diplomats cheated US citizens?
What about your consular official action in kenya .?Why cant you say nothing about it?
we dont care about US citizens freedom in your country?
A country power depend upon their good diplomacy .We send our diplomats for good diplomatic relation not strip searching.Whether she is right or wrong.She is work for India ..If a US diplomat strip search in India , may we can see anger of US imperialism.We dont strip search our guests in our country.
Our government already take action .Let see whether Indian employees in US embassy get the
same salary in US.
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your gibberish is embarrassing indians and it seems you have ADHD as you go from one topic into another. what da hell does iraq and afghanistan have to do with this topic.
Listen, just because you think Rupees 30k/ month as being good in india, does not mean it is good in the US. we have laws , labor laws , minimum wage laws. Perhaps per your deafening logic- the US should create a separate pay rate for indians who come over here to work. pay them the indian rate of salary...then we will hear you moan about discrimination.
You don't accept the maid's story why? - because you think your ranting shows some sense of being nationalistic.
and finally I did not ignore you gibberish about russians or anyone else. If russians get caught here cheating they too get arrested and strip searched! and I don't know wtf does kenyan consular whatever have to do with this.
BTW- you sound like a moron with your "US imperialism talk"...a fella who probably got his education in some freaking village( you write and express yourself like one), brainwashed by the likes of like minded idiots.
Indian jails also strip search and put people in Indian jail uniforms.
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I am asking the same question that every Indian asked about this incident .I know what I am talked about ,and it is not off topic.Some Americans ans some other Indian -Americans that showing more americanism than real americans may think they are some pure guys but it is not like that.
Us already know the salary given to Indian maids in US .They know it earlier.Now if they dig out this specific case their is something wrong there.
US cant touch Russians ,when Russians cheated Americans for 1.5 million$ .If you dont know about that it is not my problem.If you are in the payroll of Americans show your gratitiudes to American .Dont try it against India.I am right about American Imperialism,one of your citizens Edward snowden
show the real face of US in the front of world.It is our leaders mistake that dont give him asylum ,when he requested India.All we care about friendship with US.We reduce our oil shipments from Iran for US.They pay their gratitude to India by strip search a female diplomats and our Ex -President.
That maid is on the payroll of Indian Government ,not Americans.If she has any problem with diplomat ,she can throw away that job .That most sensible person will do.Instead she trap a female diplomat and bring disgrace to her own country .How can we other Indians justify that maid ?We will not do that .We treat our guests as Gods.we will not strip another country diplomats in our jail.US taken it as a weakness.They dont know the real nature of Indians.
After all we must blame our selves.We give so much privileges to US diplomats.That mistake will not going to happen again.
there is already a injunction against that maid in Delhi court about two months ago.But US embassy and US make mockery on our judicial system .And evacuate our citizens or a culript family from India .That is not a responsible country do.Whole the world know Americans will do any dirty jobs for their own prosperity and supremacist behaviour.
You dont give any satisfactory response for my question.' when some family of some criminal in India came to US lawyer for legal protection .you will evacuate that criminal or his family also from India becaue she/he is not a criminal under US law'. we dont need that excuse.
I think US will be a good country that enhance moral values ,even there treatment against Pakistan(a major non nato ally of US).But I am wrong .They dont know how to treat a guest .They dont know
how to respect another countries and their judicial system .
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one stupid assumption after another.
the maid is on an Indian company/ government payroll but her salary must meet minimum salaries and labor laws when in the US! It is a law followed by all. They lived on US property not in the consulate building!
Obviously you have no clue about international laws... you have no business in this topic
Secondly, if you think she did not have to follow US labor laws then WHY DID THE DIPLOMAT NOT PUT Rupees 30k on the form? WHY did she lie about it?
you must be one those caste system guys who thinks maids are just lower caste people to be treated like slaves.
also- The family of a person even if the person is a criminal, are not criminals themselves you dolt! you don't even know basic judicial laws of your own country! i.e. if your son is murderer that does not mean your family are murderers too! family of the maid has all the right to leave and go anywhere they want to.
then I don't know anything about this russian case you speak off and one that has got your panties in a wad. BUT judging by your propensity to introduce irrelevant examples into a topic- I am sure it has no bearing in here, period.
You don't treat your guests as gods, stop that bs...nobody is a god. you treat them within your laws. if you want to worship them, then it is on you!
Your diplomat committed a crime , she lied and she brought shame on her country. period. and it becoming obvious she committed fraud in India too
it is getting really nauseous to debate someone who is visibly an undereducated fella from india discussing international topics.
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@JayAtl :
You are missing the point here. The Indian diplomat seems to have committed a crime according to US law. But the problem here is that the same diplomat who was not running anywhere for 6 months was arrested without even informing Indian embassy. Even if she does not have immunity, as an Indian diplomat, she deserves a court hearing without a humiliating arrest.
That is not how countries treat envoys. The Vienna Convention is a bare minimum set of privileges. In reality, countries especially friendly countries treat each others' diplomats with respect and even more privileges. Her arrest(or rather the manner of arrest) was therefore a humiliation for India.
If you want to gloat that Dominic Strauss Kahn was treated similarly, he did not represent any country. You will hear a boat load of instances where US claimed immunity and privileges for their consuls and even spies.
As someone pointed out, the Indian anti-gay law will similarly apply to all American diplomats(minus the ambassadors) in India. So if you want to stand on that pedestal, calling your laws somehow superior to everyone else(case in point: how does US give visa to a person with charges pending against him?), you are welcome.
But US diplomats everywhere should expect the same treatment. First they will be arrested and then they will listen to the charges(this is how Indian law operates for commoners). They will have no privacy in India(no privacy laws in India) and their sexuality will be restricted by the law(unfortunately by law in India). So be prepared for the consequences.
You are missing the point here. The Indian diplomat seems to have committed a crime according to US law. But the problem here is that the same diplomat who was not running anywhere for 6 months was arrested without even informing Indian embassy. Even if she does not have immunity, as an Indian diplomat, she deserves a court hearing without a humiliating arrest.
That is not how countries treat envoys. The Vienna Convention is a bare minimum set of privileges. In reality, countries especially friendly countries treat each others' diplomats with respect and even more privileges. Her arrest(or rather the manner of arrest) was therefore a humiliation for India.
If you want to gloat that Dominic Strauss Kahn was treated similarly, he did not represent any country. You will hear a boat load of instances where US claimed immunity and privileges for their consuls and even spies.
As someone pointed out, the Indian anti-gay law will similarly apply to all American diplomats(minus the ambassadors) in India. So if you want to stand on that pedestal, calling your laws somehow superior to everyone else(case in point: how does US give visa to a person with charges pending against him?), you are welcome.
But US diplomats everywhere should expect the same treatment. First they will be arrested and then they will listen to the charges(this is how Indian law operates for commoners). They will have no privacy in India(no privacy laws in India) and their sexuality will be restricted by the law(unfortunately by law in India). So be prepared for the consequences.
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I've not missed a single point.
what arrest is not humiliating? if you don't want to be humiliated then don't commit a crime. The only part where this could have been handled better was discretion of not being strip searched i.e. not asked to change into jail clothing. This is no body cavity search btw, you strip to bra and panties, wear jail clothes in the presence of a female officer.
Let me tell you - had it been me an american arrested- what would have happened.
1. handcuffed on the spot
2. throw in the back of car and taken to jail
3. Booked , finger printed, photographed
4. given one call from pay phone to make " collect call only"
5. strip searched and thrown in jail till I made bail or saw a judge
what did she get?
1. Not handcuffed at point of arrest
2. allowed to sit in the car for 2 hrs making calls from her cellphone, with her cellphone
3. Booked , finger printed, photographed
4. Change into Jail clothing " known as strip search" and put in a cell
Again the only thing, given the low bar of her crime that we should have done is avoided the " changing into Jail clothing part". That is all that I would say could have been done because even americans can get that discretion, but depends on the booking officers in the jail.
Our laws are superior is many ways and citizens have way more rights than Indians do. and they are not to the level of absurd discrimination that indian laws still have. You even have laws about hindu and muslim marriages... how archaic is that? anyways...
Want to arrest americans on anti gay laws - do it. go to their bedrooms and watch them in the act -because just putting arms around each other is not evidence. if it were you would have straight indian males being put behind bars.
US diplomats depending on the level of immunity should be expected the same. US even put a saudi princess in jail recently for same crap.... Saudi princess, Meshael Alayban, accused of human trafficking 'slave maid' is cleared of all charges | Mail Online
what this guy sreekumar is saying is pure asinine ! his argument is no crime is committed.
I do have to wonder how come the dignity of the maid is not a question with you guys? All the BS I keep hearing about her( maid) is coming from the diplomats side of the aisle.
The diplomat may well be proved to be innocent, but the hooting and hollering by most of you guys seem to be about the diplomat's treatment. is the maid not a human too?
and what is worse is it seems this woman diplomat is all out crook... she is involved in that apartment scandal in india too.
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You said you did not miss a single point and did exactly that. The whole list of comparison between an American getting arrested and what the Indian diplomat got is simply ludicrous. I did not say the diplomat should not be arrested. The arrest could should been cleared with Indian authorities. In fact, it is disturbing to see GoI trying to move the diplomat to UN. India should have allowed her to be prosecuted after US's apology.
No friendly country sneakily pulls a surprise to arrest a diplomat. And no friendly country 'evacuates' citizens from its friend. Nobody cares if you say that the US law is superior. But people care about the implicit statement made by US government's evacuation and that is what harmed the relationship.
The maid might as well be the victim here as I mentioned earlier. That is why I said the diplomat should have been prosecuted after GoI's green signal. The maid, being an Indian citizen, is free to file a complaint against the diplomat in an Indian court. After all Indian courts will treat the case as an Indian diplomat harming India's name(This goes against the declaration people sign to get their passports) and may punish her.
And who cares about the one among 10000 Saudi princesses? That is not even an official position.
As a matter of technicality, if Indian law is applied equally to US diplomats, even the anti-gay law is not needed. If US diplomats are treated like a common Indian would be in a case where they are in the wrong, then they wouldn't last a week here.
No friendly country sneakily pulls a surprise to arrest a diplomat. And no friendly country 'evacuates' citizens from its friend. Nobody cares if you say that the US law is superior. But people care about the implicit statement made by US government's evacuation and that is what harmed the relationship.
The maid might as well be the victim here as I mentioned earlier. That is why I said the diplomat should have been prosecuted after GoI's green signal. The maid, being an Indian citizen, is free to file a complaint against the diplomat in an Indian court. After all Indian courts will treat the case as an Indian diplomat harming India's name(This goes against the declaration people sign to get their passports) and may punish her.
And who cares about the one among 10000 Saudi princesses? That is not even an official position.
As a matter of technicality, if Indian law is applied equally to US diplomats, even the anti-gay law is not needed. If US diplomats are treated like a common Indian would be in a case where they are in the wrong, then they wouldn't last a week here.
So what does this revocation of this ID card achieve for india? Nothing, nada, zip.
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"Top sources in the government say that the tough stand has been taken to show that India means business and the new ID cards would be based on reciprocity - American officials will enjoy only what their Indian counterparts do in the US."
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US counselors can't visit Taj Mahal that is all they are good for
However was the strip search done by male guard why was there such an outcry , we always wishing for our Foreign ministers to be strip searched all the time so they would feel our situation more closely
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There is a video on Youtube of her being stripped naked and lying on the floor and her cavity is being searched. Most of it is blurred but you can make out that she is forced to comply. Why are the men police officers doing all the strip search?? It is demeaning to say the least. You will change your stance how she was treated.
