India snubs China, to attend Nobel ceremony

[CardSharp]

CS, that wouldn't be possible for GOI. If we host him as a religious figure how can we impose travel restrictions on him. Whatever he does outside India is out of our control. Even if we were to throw him out, his tours will continue unabated.
He is not allowed to make political speeches in India.

No one has said that he wouldn't be able to travel as a religious figure, but as an official religious figure (recognized as such by India), it would depoliticize his visits.

 

[Abhishek_]

I disagree. I think you are the one being sentimental here. There are no chinese members who are pro-India, only pro-China (as it should be). Don't know why he is feeling alienated & as you have probably gathered, don't particularly care. If people choose to bring sarcasm into play & unload it on someone, there can be no conceivable response but to engage accordingly. I have had zero interactions with this guy thus far yet he chose to unload on me including some repressed feeling about some other thread I started. His choice, I guess. No issue with that but I do have about the whining that is going on about someone being alienated. If someone is so easily alienated, then they were very probably never with you at all.

there is no cure for cynicism. can't help you BG.
although it looks like you seem to be easily offended by sarcasm.
feel free to ignore the whining

 

[Kyusuibu Honbu]

Even if that happens, the real damage was historical, and continued for half a century. The fact that the Tibetan government in exile continues to spew out slogans against China is more of a "reminder" than anything else, even if it somehow stops.

Like i said in my earlier comment its a democracy and he can express his views.

I know you get real pissed at such speeches,and so do i ,for those advocating separations in our nation ,especially when the do so in India itself under Govt security.

Tomorrow China can give asylum to Arundhati roy and she"ll make her anti-India speeches and naturally Indians will accuse Chinese/Chinese Govt of interfering in our affairs.

But its Chinese Govt's official stance that matters to the Indian Govt.

Even if our respective netizens argue about it in the cyberspace.

 

[huzihaidao12]

Time may be wasted on useless game, at least in the PDF, I do not know the views of the Government of India, but I think it will not be great expectations, since India is an election nation.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Like i said in my earlier comment its a democracy and he can express his views.

I know you get real pissed at such speeches,and so do i ,for those advocating separations in our nation ,especially when the do so in India itself under Govt security.

I understand that India can't really stop them from saying what they want due to democratic constitutional principles etc.

If I could press a button and stop them from saying that, I probably wouldn't though. It's just one of those nagging irritants/reminders more than anything else really. The real issue is the problems underneath, not the reminders that simply bring them to the surface.

 

[Abhishek_]

^come to think of it when was the last time DL made an anti china remark in India?

 

[CardSharp]

Like i said in my earlier comment its a democracy and he can express his views.

I know you get real pissed at such speeches,and so do i ,for those advocating separations in our nation ,especially when the do so in India itself under Govt security.

Tomorrow China can give asylum to Arundhati roy and she"ll make her anti-India speeches and naturally Indians will accuse Chinese/Chinese Govt of interfering in our affairs.

But its Chinese Govt's official stance that matters to the Indian Govt.

Even if our respective netizens argue about it in the cyberspace.

Am pretty sure that the Chinese government have sent formal complaints similar to ours, with regard to his political activities.

What do you think about my suggests that the Indian government dismantle the TGE?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

^come to think of it when was the last time DL made an anti china remark in India?

The Dalai Lama himself is just a figurehead. This is the issue:

Central Tibetan Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

And here is what I believe is their official website:

http://www.tibet.net/en/index.php?id=14

 

[CardSharp]

^come to think of it when was the last time DL made an anti china remark in India?

He ceases to be a separatist leader if he doesn't attack the Chinese government explicitly? Besides I don't think making aggressive claims on Chinese territory would damage his public persona. His trump card right now is public opinion in his favour (this after of course the use of force and inciting rebellion failed).

 

[Abhishek_]

CS, I doubt the dismantling in your sense of the word would happen. The opposition will the incumbent govt. alive for capitulating to china. I think it will remain as is for the time being.

He ceases to be a separatist leader if he doesn't attack the Chinese government explicitly?

card but if my memory serves me right, DL has indeed claimed tibet to be a part of China. How does he still qualify for being a separatist. Anyway my bottom-line is that we are stuck with him, so GOI tries to keep him on the down low. I honestly don't think GOI is in a position to do anything further unless sino-indian relations significantly improve (which probably wont happen in the near future)

 

[Paan Singh]

In US, China compared to Nazis for Nobel controversy


Washington: US lawmakers have compared China to Nazi Germany as the State Department urged Beijing to free Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo, set to receive the honour for his campaign for democratic reforms.

Republican Representative Frank Wolf said China was joining the infamous World War II regime of Adolf Hitler -- as well as the Soviet Union and Myanmar -- by barring the peace laureate from attending Friday's ceremony in Norway.

"China should be ashamed and China should be embarrassed to be in the company of Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, and Burma," Wolf said at a press conference with other lawmakers to call for Liu's immediate release.

The Nobel Peace Prize was awarded in October to Liu, who was jailed in December 2009 for 11 years on subversion charges after co-authoring "Charter 08," a manifesto calling for democratic reform in one-party China.
Wolf hailed Democratic House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's plans to attend the ceremony, saying her presence would "send a powerful message" that Washington stands with Chinese advocates of democratic reforms and broader human rights.

The US House of Representatives was expected to vote soon on a symbolic resolution, crafted by Republican Chris Smith, honouring Liu and urging Beijing to free him.

Representative Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, the top Republican on the House Foreign Affairs Committee, said Beijing must listen to critics of its "warped political system" and demanded Liu and his wife be set free "at once."

She noted that Nazi Germany blocked the 1935 laureate, Carl von Ossietzky, from attending his award ceremony, while Moscow barred Soviet dissident Andrei Sakharov in 1975, and Myanmar's military rulers stopped democracy icon Aung San Suu Kyi from attending hers in 1991.

"Beijing now joins the ranks of the infamous Nazi regime and the repressive Burmese junta in locking up a Nobel Peace prize winner," she said, demanding "rulers of Beijing, have you no shame?"

Shortly after the press conference, Deputy Secretary of State James Steinberg called human rights in China "an important subject matter" in ties between the two countries and called for Liu's release.

"We hope that China will take positive steps on human rights including the release of Nobel Laureate Liu Xiaobo," Steinberg stressed in an address on China at the Center for American Progress think tank in Washington.




In US, China compared to Nazis for Nobel controversy

 

[Abhishek_]

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[Bang Galore]

I'm afraid this is only your interpretation. If it were truly the case, the Indian government can if they want dismantle the Tibetan government in exile and make it clear that their stay in India is for religious reasons.

India hasn't done this and allows the DL to continue his political tours around the world. Something that Beijing protests vehemently.

Am pretty sure that the Chinese government have sent formal complaints similar to ours, with regard to his political activities.

What do you think about my suggests that the Indian government dismantle the TGE?

Why should India do anything different? I am not clear about the quid pro quo. As you are no doubt aware there is no such thing as a free lunch.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

card but if my memory serves me right, DL has indeed claimed tibet to be a part of China. How does he still qualify for being a separatist. Anyway my bottom-line is that we are stuck with him, so GOI tries to keep him on the down low. I honestly don't think GOI is in a position to do anything further unless sino-indian relations significantly improve (which probably wont happen in the near future)

Firstly he tried to overthrow the Chinese government during the Tibetan uprising of 1959. Even if he has changed his mind that doesn't change what he has done.

Secondly the Tibetan government "in exile" (notice the "in exile" part) still continue to claim that they are the sovereign representative of Tibet and the Tibetan people worldwide, including those that live in China.

I don't really expect India to do anything about it, mostly due to internal political pressures etc., but it will still be an issue that we most likely will still be discussing ten years from now.

 

[TenjikuKensei]

No one has said that he wouldn't be able to travel as a religious figure, but as an official religious figure (recognized as such by India), it would depoliticize his visits.

I'm sure you guys are aware of this, but just in case people forget it, One has to keep in mind that for Indian government to "depoliticize" or rather impose certain restrictions on him and his entourage would result in court cases being filed against the it. Thus the government is usually powerless to do anything regarding this...unless of course someone brings a motion on parliament and passes a bill specifically about this....its but a remote possibility.


Ill go out on a limb here and assume that some Chinese members (not u cs,cd) might have a hard time comprehending the news articles, actions of Dalai Lama's vocal supporters in India. They might view it through their own lens. That for them any such action can only happen under the auspicious of the government. I would like to remind you folks that in democratic nations, the press is given the run of the house...or rather the nation. They can pretty much post any story they like....and oft..with such a proliferation of news sources...they have to resort to cut-throat competition to get more subscribers/viewers.


It is common knowledge that the more outrageous/sensational a story is....the more viewers it would have. This news article is a prime example. The "only" piece of "real" news was that there is no change in India's plans for attending the Nobel's. note the choice of my words. I said " no change in India's plans" . This was the "only" piece of news in this article. Everything else is conjecture built on conjecture...and sensationalist statements giving way to even more sensationalist ones. Only Heaven knows how this is a "snub" as the news article tries to portray.