India snubs China, to attend Nobel ceremony

[Abhishek_]

If you guys really want a good gesture, dismantle the Tibetan government in Exile. Let them live peacefully in India but make their stay a religious one not a political one.

unless i'm mistaken, it has been a religious one for a while now. GOI has been clamping down on tibetan demonstrations since the olympics. .

 

[amigo]

If you guys really want a good gesture, dismantle the Tibetan government in Exile. Let them live peacefully in India but make their stay a religious one not a political one.

don't worry tibetian govt. is nothing just a org. with no hands & india can't ban it, it will upset many tibetian citizens here. also china should stop claiming arunachal & india aksai chin, only then somrthing +ve will happen

 

[Abhishek_]

^demanding china to stop XYZ will lead you nowhere.
it needs to start with positive gestures (not a bad thing if India initiates) and end in mutual agreements.

 

[CardSharp]

unless i'm mistaken, it has been a religious one for a while now. GOI has been clamping down on tibetan demonstrations since the olympics. .

don't worry tibetian govt. is nothing just a org. with no hands & india can't ban it, it will upset many tibetian citizens here. also china should stop claiming arunachal & india aksai chin, only then somrthing +ve will happen

This maybe, but it is still a political organ that coordinates activity world wide (even here in the middle of Toronto's Chinatown). As such, China is concerned about its separatism activities, doubly so when Indians are daily talking about "playing the Tibet card"


Except from The Chinese Puzzle by Srinath Raghavan from the Centre for Policy Research, New Delhi.

However, Tibet is the more serious problem. Ties between India and Tibet have always been viewed by Beijing with wariness, not to say suspicion. The troubles in Tibet have ccentuated China’s concerns about the “Dalai Clique” and its links with India. Repeated calls in Indian public discourse on the need to play the “Tibet card” only serve to stoke China’s suspicions. Beijing’s protests against the Dalai Lama’s visit to Tawang were vehement precisely ecause it put the spotlight on the links between the Tibetan problem and China’s territorial claims on the area.

Indeed, Tibet is the one issue that could undermine India’s steadily improving ties with China. Contrary to wishful thinking in some quarters, the Tibetan issue does not afford any leverage to India. The issue has no purchase on the Indian political class or public opinion. This being case, the realistic course is to find ways of offering more convincing reassurances to China about its attitude to Tibet. This will be essential to removing needless mistrust and to reaching an accord on the boundary. Towards the latter end, it is equally imperative that the Indian government informs and shapes domestic opinion on China. The bogey of an aggressive China may well become a self-fulfilling prophecy, for strident views on both sides feed on and accentuate the other. An accord on the boundary may not be reached in the near-term. But the boundary dispute need not hold to ransom the multifaceted relationship between the two countries. As Deng Xiaoping once observed, perhaps our grandchildren will be wiser than us.

It seems the Indian elite and intellectuals are a lot more realistic and less jingoistic than the public or media.

Full article.
http://chinaindiaborderdispute.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/1263975668-chinese-puzzle_epw_srinath.pdf

 

[amigo]

This maybe, but it is still a political organ that coordinates activity world wide (even here in the middle of Toronto's Chinatown). As such, China is concerned about its separatism activities, doubly so when Indians are daily talking about "playing the Tibet card"






have always been viewed by Beijing
with wariness, not to say suspicion. The
troubles in Tibet have accentuated China’s concerns about the “Dalai Clique”
and its links with India. Repeated calls in
Indian public discourse on the need to
play the “Tibet card” only serve to stoke
China’s suspicions. Beijing’s protests
against the Dalai Lama’s visit to Tawang
were vehement precisely because it put
the spotlight on the links between the
Tibetan problem and China’s territorial
claims on the area.

chinese should not woory abt tibetians in india, india is not supporting tibetians against china. & as far as dalai lama's tawang visit, it was a religious visit, goverments & media made it political

 

[CardSharp]

chinese should not woory abt tibetians in india, india is not supporting tibetians against china. & as far as dalai lama's tawang visit, it was a religious visit, goverments & media made it political

Sorry I should have finished formatting before I posted but it was from a PDF file.

chinese should not woory abt tibetians in india, india is not supporting tibetians against china. & as far as dalai lama's tawang visit, it was a religious visit, goverments & media made it political

and I think you are wrong (please read the excerpt). The matter is political until the Indian government come out and say that it isn't. and Beijing is not going to be assured unless India comes down one way or the other. It cannot continue to be ambiguous on this topic if relations are ever going to move forward beyond a snail's pace.

 

[Dalai Lama]

Yeah that isn't going to go well at all, after this well-timed snub.

Only time will tell.

 

[amigo]

Sorry I should have finished formatting before I posted but it was from a PDF file.



and I think you are wrong (please read the excerpt). The matter is political until the Indian government come out and say that it isn't. and Beijing is not going to be assured unless India comes down one way or the other. It cannot continue to be ambiguous on this topic if relations are ever going to move forward beyond a snail's pace.

i can understand that but stoping dalai lama from going anywhere will create problem for india within india. most indians will feel that indian govt. has bowed down in front of china.

 

[Stumper]

..As such, China is concerned about its separatism activities, doubly so when Indians are daily talking about "playing the Tibet card"



..It seems the Indian elite and intellectuals are a lot more realistic and less jingoistic than the public or media.

Well, the mainstream Indian hardly know's or care's about Tibet. Personally, i prefer the current stance from GoI --- Not allowing Tibetian Political agenda from Indian Soil , in return we would expect reciprocation from Chinese MFA --- sensitivity to our internal affairs of Kashmir.

 

[KS]

i really hope GOI abstains. I wouldn't want to sacrifice India's prosperity (with good sino-indo relations) for some obscure Chinese dissident with questionable opinions.

Perhaps Chinese should also have taken into account that while proudly issuing stapled visas.

They were not doing that for 60 years,but suddenly one fine morning they wake up,get to know Kashmir is disputed and start issuing stapled visas.

I mean, C'mon !

^demanding china to stop XYZ will lead you nowhere.
it needs to start with positive gestures (not a bad thing if India initiates) and end in mutual agreements.

Similarly demanding India not attend will not help anyone. A friendly request could have helped.The South Block could have found out a thousand reasons to stay away. But we are not a third world banana republic for someone to 'demand' something.

There are plenty of Afghanistans,Colombias,Iraqs,Sudans out there who can do that for them. Not India .

 

[CardSharp]

Perhaps Chinese should also have taken into account that while proudly issuing stapled visas.

They were not doing that for 60 years,but suddenly one fine morning they wake up,get to know Kashmir is disputed and start issuing stapled visas.

I mean, C'mon !




Similarly demanding India not attend will not help anyone. A friendly request could have helped.The South Block could have found out a thousand reasons to stay away. But we are not a third world banana republic for someone to 'demand' something.

Honestly... these kinds of posts are just white noise to me now...

 

[LaBong]

However, Tibet is the more serious problem. Ties between India and Tibet have always been viewed by Beijing with wariness, not to say suspicion. The troubles in Tibet have ccentuated China’s concerns about the “Dalai Clique” and its links with India. Repeated calls in Indian public discourse on the need to play the “Tibet card” only serve to stoke China’s suspicions. Beijing’s protests against the Dalai Lama’s visit to Tawang were vehement precisely ecause it put the spotlight on the links between the Tibetan problem and China’s territorial claims on the area.

Indeed, Tibet is the one issue that could undermine India’s steadily improving ties with China. Contrary to wishful thinking in some quarters, the Tibetan issue does not afford any leverage to India. The issue has no purchase on the Indian political class or public opinion. This being case, the realistic course is to find ways of offering more convincing reassurances to China about its attitude to Tibet. This will be essential to removing needless mistrust and to reaching an accord on the boundary. Towards the latter end, it is equally imperative that the Indian government informs and shapes domestic opinion on China. The bogey of an aggressive China may well become a self-fulfilling prophecy, for strident views on both sides feed on and accentuate the other. An accord on the boundary may not be reached in the near-term. But the boundary dispute need not hold to ransom the multifaceted relationship between the two countries. As Deng Xiaoping once observed, perhaps our grandchildren will be wiser than us.

Clearly the Tibetan issue has no leverage in Indian political parties and general populace. Don't why Chinese members raise the canard again and again. Seems the bogey of Tibet rather working more effectively for China than it is for India.

 

[KS]

Honestly... these kinds of posts are just white noise to me now...

The feeling is mutual honey.

 

[CardSharp]

i can understand that but stoping dalai lama from going anywhere will create problem for india within india. most indians will feel that indian govt. has bowed down in front of china.

Well, the mainstream Indian hardly know's or care's about Tibet. Personally, i prefer the current stance from GoI --- Not allowing Tibetian Political agenda from Indian Soil , in return we would expect reciprocation from Chinese MFA --- sensitivity to our internal affairs of Kashmir.

I'm not saying that India will do it, but if most people think the Tibetan government in exile is apolitical anyways, why not officially do away with its political responsibility. That is if India is trying to find ways to move the relationship forward.


It was just an idea.

 

[Stumper]

I'm not saying that India will do it, but if most people think the Tibetan government in exile is apolitical anyways, why not officially do away with its political responsibility. That is if India is trying to find ways to move the relationship forward.


It was just an idea.

Well, I second your view here. India should take a stand here and clamp down on tibetian political activity! .. Would do us more good. Let support be on Humanitarian grounds alone.

I was surprised seeing Chinese raise the ante by the stapled visa affair though ... thought it was immature. I'm hoping Jiabao and Singh surprises us Indians.