India Should Keep Pakistan Embroiled and Draw it Into An Arm's Race

[Screambowl]

Pakistan Navy requires to replace its existing 5 Agosta's and also requires an additional 3 to protect Gawadar. Hence 8 AIP subs have been ordered. If you do google and read that Pakistan has increased its Maritime boundaries to 350 nm which would require Pakistan Navy to expand its naval capabilities. So PN would be getting atleast 8-10 more submarines along with other surface ships.

India is thinking of expanding to China's back yard and still thinks that Pakistan should not expand. One one aspect that you should consider is "How would China react to Indian expansion?"
China could consider the same by entering India's back yard.



After effects...India can not think of a misadventure in Pakistan. Pakistan is not Burma. The operation that was done was done in collaboration with the Burmese Army.

Lions, Tigers and Leopards are afraid of hunters...

India has different goals , you have India centric goals.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Now for our sake---we are at full capacity---for us---we are at our full strength----.

If you have spent money ; so have we

The GAP between the two countries is the SAME

That is why at the first whisper of a threat ; your people bring out nukes

Your conventional strength is very small compared to India

 

[MadDog]

India Should Keep Pakistan Embroiled and Draw it Into An Arm's Race

By Mohan Das Menon

Published: 20th June 2015

The Indian Army’s brief foray into Myanmar last week to hunt militants set alarm bells ringing in neighbouring Pakistan, Delhi’s arch-rival whom it blames for stoking a rebellion in the disputed region of Kashmir. By suggesting that the Myanmar incident could set a precedent for more cross-border raids—including one into Pakistan-controlled Kashmir—an NDA minister took the row one step further.

As if waiting for a cue, Pakistan’s leadership has reacted with suppressed fury. Pakistani leaders have threatened swift retaliation should India ever try similar manoeuvres along its western border. Pakistan’s defence minister, Khawaja Asif, warned about the possibility of a nuclear war if India launches a similar incursion into Pakistan.

The Pakistani statements—which include provocative reminders that India is not the only subcontinent power with nuclear arms—are once again exposing the deep-rooted suspicions and lingering potential for conflict between the long-standing rivals despite groundbreaking outreach to ease tension.

Bellicose language is nothing new between the nuclear-armed neighbours, but Pakistanis say recent events have further hurt relations, which is already strained since Narendra Modi came to power and announced a new doctrine of zero-tolerance against Pakistan sponsored terror.

The current uneasiness underscores the challenges for leaders on both sides seeking to overcome the rifts and shift to shared issues, such as regional economic cooperation, water resources and the rise of militant factions.

Now, the downturn in relations includes open speculation in Pakistan about the possibility of a cross-border strike by India. Such worries—even though apparently remote—carry added resonance between countries that have troops facing each other in the disputed Jammu and Kashmir region.

The Modi government has, from the very beginning, followed a policy of ‘disproportionate response’ to border provocations. Indian troops have been given greater operational autonomy to be aggressive in responding to ceasefire violations by Pakistan. The Indian military has been given the much-needed operational space to carve out a response which was swift, sharp and effective, underlining the costs of Pakistan’s dangerous escalatory tactics with massive targeted attacks on Pakistani Ranger posts along the border.

What has worked on the border with Myanmar will clearly not work on the western borders against jihadi groups and that contextualisation has been part of the Indian government’s response. Also, cooperation with like-minded states such as Myanmar and Bangladesh will be crucial to deny terror group safe havens across the borders.

The government of Myanmar reportedly approved the Indian plan to send in special forces to attack insurgent camps into its territory. To justify its attack, New Delhi invoked the May 2014 border agreement with Myanmar which provides for a framework for security cooperation and intelligence exchange between the two states.

Despite this, a narrative has emerged in the country which holds that while the operation was well planned, the political communication was unnecessary and immature. Sections of the media, former diplomats, and armchair strategists have converged in suggesting that the Modi government messed up a fine operation by talking about it.

Signalling intent and demonstrating capabilities are the keys in establishing and strengthening deterrence in interstate relations.

There is a reason why all major powers make a big deal when they resort to the use of their military instruments of hard power. This is the norm in mature democracies. After all, the message is not simply for the domestic audience. It is also there to reassure allies and to deter adversaries.During the last decade of the UPA rule, an impression had gained ground that India had turned into a soft state. India’s friends and enemies had stopped taking India seriously as a military power.

The Modi government is fast changing this perception. A nation’s vital interests, in the ultimate analysis, can only be preserved and enhanced if the nation has sufficient power capabilities at its disposal. It must not only possess such capabilities but also demonstrate its willingness to use them.

The Modi government has sent a clear signal to its adversaries—both state and non-state—that hostilities against India will not go on without a robust response. The Myanmar operation was a step towards restoring India’s credibility. But it is a long road ahead and the effectiveness of this new “Modi-Doval” doctrine, as it has been termed in the media, will be known only over the long-term.

Regardless of the level of their economy, diplomacy between neighbouring countries is a high cost enterprise that makes a cost-benefit analysis by stakeholder necessary. The discourse between New Delhi and Islamabad is one of the most fragile and tension ridden diplomatic relationships in the world.

India’s current strategy should be to keep Pakistan embroiled in such a way that its economy is adversely affected and it is unable to sustain the strategic parity that has existed over the years. It should draw Pakistan into an arms race at a time when its economy is entering a stabilisation phase and is poised to move into the growth paradigm. It should force Pakistan to spend more on defence and making waging war against India uneconomic and counter-productive.


Menon is a former additional secy,Cabinet Secretariat

India Should Keep Pakistan Embroiled and Draw it Into An Arm's Race -The New Indian Express

Lol Pakistan has the fastest growing nuke arsenal in the world, its policy is minimum deterrence, we are moving towards indigenization of our defence industry from aircrafts to tanks etc, by pushing us into an arms race u would actually be helping our economy and defence sector !!!

 

[Stephen Cohen]

because most of your posts are brainless--

It is not me but you who think that AESA is an accessory ; can be fitted in any plane

On a scale of 1--10---we were at a 2 or a 3-----. Now we are at an 8 or 9 for OUR sake----you were at an 8 to 9 as to your standards at that time and you are at the same standards still---.

So you mean to say that on a scale of 1 to 10 we were on 8
in 2001 and are still on 8

Whereas Pakistan was on 2 BUT NOW you are on 8

So I ask you again ? where is OUR defence expenditure going

TODAY Our defence expenditure is FOUR times that of 2001

We were spending 11 Billion in 2001 ; You cannot spend 11 Billion even TODAY

 

[MastanKhan]

It is not me but you who think that AESA is an accessory ; can be fitted in any plane

Hi,

Indeed---on every plane that we will be getting----. It can be fitted. BLK 52's can be fitted with the aesa---the upcoming blk 3 will be fitted with aesa----

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

You can bt think about cost and response

The thinking has changed...If India is gone so is Hinduism... If Pakistan is gone its just one country from the 150 Muslim countries.

India has different goals , you have India centric goals.

The Goals have changed because Pakistan knows it has a bigger goal and that is to be the leader. India would only be one of its initial goals to reach to the final destination.

 

[MastanKhan]

It is not me but you who think that AESA is an accessory ; can be fitted in any plane



So you mean to say that on a scale of 1 to 10 we were on 8
in 2001 and are still on 8

Whereas Pakistan was on 2 BUT NOW you are on 8

So I ask you again ? where is OUR defence expenditure going

Our defence expenditure is FOUR times that of 2001

We were spending 11 Billion in 2001 ; You cannot spend 11 Billion even TODAY

Hi,

So you were a 10 then and a 10 now---you were full strength at that time to what ever tech was available to you---you are a 10 now to whatever tech is available to you now and what you want to acquire.

As for where your defence expending is going----I say---for our sake---keep doing what you are doing----.

As for your 4 times spending----you LCA program has over a 100 times spending than our JF 17 program---just for example.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

It is not me but you who think that AESA is an accessory ; can be fitted in any plane



So you mean to say that on a scale of 1 to 10 we were on 8
in 2001 and are still on 8

Whereas Pakistan was on 2 BUT NOW you are on 8

So I ask you again ? where is OUR defence expenditure going

TODAY Our defence expenditure is FOUR times that of 2001

We were spending 11 Billion in 2001 ; You cannot spend 11 Billion even TODAY

What @MastanKhan is trying to say is that India has always been at the top where as Pakistan has been the underdogs. They were under some sort of sanctions or did not have enough strength.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Hi,

So you were a 10 then and a 10 now---you were full strength at that time to what ever tech was available to you---you are a 10 now to whatever tech is available to you now and what you want to acquire.

Wars are fought and WON by sheer volume and quantity Firepower

I always believe that the difference between India and Pakistan is that of Firepower

And NOT just technology

The Gap in technology may or may not be present ; it is just marginal say 10 - 15 percent

The real difference is in numbers and in firepower

you can NEVER match is in NUMBERS in FIREPOWER

 

[MastanKhan]

Wars are fought and WON by sheer volume and quantity Firepower

I always believe that the difference between India and Pakistan is that of Firepower

And NOT just technology

The Gap in technology may or may not be present ; it is just marginal say 10 - 15 percent

The real difference is in numbers and in firepower

you can NEVER match is in NUMBERS in FIREPOWER

Okay---then go win your wars---see what happens.

 

[Stephen Cohen]

Okay---then go win your wars---see what happens.

We have WON ; The India Pakistan RACE is OVER

Pakistan has ONLY the Nuclear option left ; that is our victory

But you are NOT suicidal ; so we can still fight ANOTHER war

 

[Force-India]

Hi,

Another indian idiot on the forum----. Pakistan military is not 10 times stronger than india----but 10 times from its OWN position of 1999.

Another Pakistani idiot. When did i say that?

 

[Stephen Cohen]

As for your 4 times spending----you LCA program has over a 100 times spending than our JF 17 program---just for example.

LCA delays have NOT affected IAF's strength

Ten years from NOW ; IAF will have FGFA ; RAFALES ; SU 30 MKI [ upgraded]
AND also LCA Mk2 / AMCA

Technological success takes time ; SO WHAT

AT One time we were struggling with missiles and space programmes ; Nuclear submarines
and cruise missiles

Look where we are NOW

We will WIN no matter what and we will NEVER give up on LCA

 

[Bilal saqib]

Indians just learn from Chinese.. Dimag ma bhoosa bhara h har wakt yahi sochty ho kisi state ko kesy fail karen ye q nhe sochty k india ko kesy khushaal karen..

 

[Jobless Jack]

we dont need to enter any arms race with india nor do we have ever had any intention to do so. For example when india bought aircraft carriers did we rush off to buy it ? no ! we only bought weapons that we need and will need for deterence. it is india who is getting into a futile arms race with china. The indo pak border will remain in stalemate in the foreseeable future.

China will win any arms race or tech race or economy race with india. simply because she is developing at a much much greater rate than india. pakistan has no need for an arms race with india. All we have to do is keep our deterence and keep our alliance with the chinese and the rest is all set

what the writer of the article is saying could have worked in the 80's and 90's when we were playing catch up on the nuke and jet fighter front with india.

Now no chance of such indian wet dreams coming true.

wet dreams will remain just that. wet dreams.