India should consider sub-conventional warfare against Pakistan

[hussain0216]

Oh please, spare me your threats.

If you lot had any chance of actually having any success you would have gotten it back in the 90s.
It's too late now, we have reinforced our border, improved J&K police and the army has a better intelligence network, your honeymoon period is over.
The graph at best is fluctuating to a steady halt and will never hit 90s level but keep trying, you'll be failing anyhow.

Ignore the graph and look at how anti india the populace has become especially since BJP and hindutva rise

 

[khanmubashir]

Really?
All I see is pakistanis doing their randi rona because of how the evil yindoos will unleash sub conventional warfare on them.

Why don't you see the graph from 2012-2018, the fatalities have been rising on the terrorists side disproportionately as compared to security forces.
So yeah, you are losing.
Only thing I remember about the 90s is pakistan losing a war which eventually led to your downward spiral and our rise.

Yawn, excuses and more excuses.
You couldn't do it in the 90s when we were far weaker forget about doing anything now, when we have increased the gap between us significantly and have become the fastest growing BRICS nation to boot.

Then u most be suffering from amnesia
U got a break inform of 911 u used the war of terror to your advantage by using ttp bla and now those proxies have been defeated and u didn't post the graph which is definitely much higher for Indian losses since 2013
FYI
India enjoyed biggest military power difference in 90s when it was suffering humiliation at hands of pak now its in actuality shrinking the operational availability difference of jets for paf iaf is now around 1:1.5 which is further decreasing we already surpassed u in nuclear weapons
So if u think India is surpassing pak is your typical Indian ignorance so this stronger pak can do much more damage to India in proxy war then preslor sanctioned pak of 90s since now we have the experience of handling USA in afg under our belt

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Ignore the graph and look at how anti india the populace has become especially since BJP and hindutva rise

The graph is in fact an indicator of how the population actually feels.

Also you can't possibly know how "anti India" the Kashmiri populace is. Just coz how a small minority is more vocal than than the majority, doesn't mean there is a rise in anti India sentiment.
One also cannot just go by media stories alone, only the voting patterns will show you how anti India the people actually are rest is all rhetoric.
What voting also shows is how afraid the terrorists and separatists are of the real majority voicing their real opinions hence their call to boycott voting and straight up bombing voting booths so that the regular people don't get to vote.

 

[graphican]

Google "Mahatma Gandhis prediction of indias 4th and final war with Pakistan". From Pakistan's perspective, Ghazwatul Hind is due.

 

[Daghalodi]

If Pakistan is taken out permanently, then we no longer have any serious security threat. The current condition is worse than the scenario you have chalked out.

The reason why there is so much insurgency is because neither Pakistan nor Afghanistan are stable. When the US invaded Afghanistan, they did not bother to consider Pakistan as part of the problem. Had they seen both countries as one, the insurgents would have nowhere to hide. They will be forced to be part of the peace process. Pakistan is facing the same problem with TTP. Their ability to operate against the group is severely curtailed because of the border.

The US Army had always wanted to cross the border, which the USG never allowed. There is no victory without crossing the border. You saw where OBL was hiding.

So, if tomorrow we take out Pakistan and an insurgency ensues, we will have to deal with it alongside Afghanistan (and Iran and Russia as well), and force the insurgents to come to the table at gunpoint since there is no real border to skip and hide behind. Don't forget that a large chunk of these insurgents will be the remnants of the Pak Army too and will be much more easier to negotiate with than local warlords.

Sindh and Balochistan will likely be free from insurgency anyway. We can let Pakjab burn for another 50 years.

And no, even if our gambit fails, it won't spill over. Our borders are not soft.



No field commander has tactical nukes. And if tactical nukes are used, India will use strategic nukes and take out Pakistan in a first strike.

This is the kind of garbage you spit when your high smelling cow dung!!

Pakistan is the only security threat while your generals are talking about a two front war. Part of kashmir lost to china and you getting your rear kicked in 1962 and recently the dokhlam incident and your saying what can China do.

yes we all know you'd still be breathing fresh air after 150 nuclear strikes on bharat mata and making claims like indian rafales are better than F 22

 

[MimophantSlayer]

Then u most be suffering from amnesia
U got a break inform of 911 u used the war of terror to your advantage by using ttp bla and now those proxies have been defeated and u didn't post the graph which is definitely much higher for Indian losses since 2013
FYI
India enjoyed biggest military power difference in 90s when it was suffering humiliation at hands of pak now its in actuality shrinking the operational availability difference of jets for paf iaf is now around 1:1.5 which is further decreasing we already surpassed u in nuclear weapons
So if u think India is surpassing pak is your typical Indian ignorance so this stronger pak can do much more damage to India in proxy war then preslor sanctioned pak of 90s since now we have the experience of handling USA in afg under our belt

Where was your advantage in the 90s when there was no 9/11 and 1000s were dying in Kashmir every year?
So stop it with the excuses.

Really? They have been defeated?
Didn't 3 or 4 pakistani soldiers got killed in Waziristan a few days ago?

Also, no.
Terrorists have been dying disproportionately at the hands of our security forces.

The last column is the total casualties, the 2nd last is the terrorists killed and the 3rd last is the security forces casualty. Notice how every year terrorists dying as a proportion to the security forces is increasing.

Not true.
Back in the 90s we were more close than we are today.

Humiliation? Really?
Wasn't it PAF which refused to even engage IAF as IAF fire bombed pakistani soldiers?
It is actually over 1:1.6 but you are forgetting that we not only have more fighters we have better fighters.
While your F-16s age and America refuses to give you its spares and weapons, PAF has nothing equivalent to the latest versions of the Su-30MKIs, Mig-29s, Mirage 2000s.
And again we further intend to widen the gap with more Su-30MKIs, Rafales while the only visible 4th gen fighter that PAF is going to induct is JFT Blk3 which is nowhere near the Rafales.

As for US under your belt, if anything Trump has been routing you lot all throughout this year. So Please don't pretend like you can control US.
Also you forget that we too were sanctioned in the 90s.

 

[indianfighter1999]

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yes we all know you'd still be breathing fresh air after 150 nuclear strikes on bharat mata and making claims like indian rafales are better than F 22

In 150 nukes how many are 150-300 kt?
how many are tactical nukes with sub kiloton yield.
How many are targetted on one megapolis like Delhi or Kolkatta?
Out of these how many can be takeb out by multi layered ABM systems like PAD, AAD, PDV, S-400, S-300?
And finally most important once pakistan initiates nukes how many pakistan can launch once before disproportionate response from India in minutes?
pakistan is way out of league from a world power like India, thats why suffered when cut in two in 1971 and in self destruct mode while trying to outdo India.

 

[Ultima Thule]

ICBMs from china Russia are sure too much to handle for any ABM, but all pakistan has is IRBMs

ICBMs from china Russia are sure too much to handle for any ABM, but all pakistan has is IRBMs

There are other ways to defeat ABM MARs warheads (MANEUVERABLE WARHEAD), DEPRESS TRAJECTORY (SHORTER BURN TIME)AND MIRV SHAHEEN-1A HAS A BOTH PROPERTIES MENTION ABOVE, AND PAKISTAN HAVE MIRV MISSILE CALLED ABABEEL HOW CAN YOU DEFEAT MIRV WARHEADS, AND MAIN PROBLEM ON THE INDIA AND PAKISTAN SCENARIO IS REACTION TIME IS TOO LOW TO REACT 2-3 MINUTES IF YOU CAN'T REACT AT TIME GAMES OVER TO INDIA @indianfighter1999

 

[indianfighter1999]

There are other ways to defeat ABM MARs warheads (MANEUVERABLE WARHEAD), DEPRESS TRAJECTORY (SHORTER BURN TIME)AND MIRV SHAHEEN-1A HAS A BOTH PROPERTIES MENTION ABOVE, ND PAKISTAN HAVE MIRV MISSILE CALLED ABABEEL HOW CAN YOU DEFEAT MIRV WARHEADS, AND MAIN PROBLEM ON THE INDIA AND PAKISTAN SCENARIO IS REACTION TIME IS TOO LOW TO REACT 2-3 MINUTES IF YOU CAN'T REACT AT TIME GAMES OVER TO INDIA @indianfighter1999

pakistan doesnt have MARVs and even if we believe Ababeel carries Mirvs how many is the question as tactical nukes on IRBMs is silly, and weight limitations of carrying multiple city busters 300-600kt nukes is not possible even on a smaller payload of Irbm, even if we assume pakistan has reached USa or french tech. the max ababeel like Irbm can carry is max 2-3, which itself makes missile useless as it cant carry any dummy warheads and 2-3 is easily targettable from ABMs, the most important thing is pakistan has short breadth any ballistic missle trajectory in boost phase is easily targetted and locked by stronger radar systems like swordfish or s-400s. Ballistic missiles are east prey in boost phase which India can target.
India has multiple options to take out pakistani nukes taking out in boost phase, exp atmosphere and edo armosphere.
And formost disproportionately strong response with in minutes to take out nuke sites by much stronger nuke yields.
pakistan is in immense disadvantage in conventional or nuclear scenarios against much powerful and advance India.

 

[Daghalodi]

In 150 nukes how many are 150-300 kt?
how many are tactical nukes with sub kiloton yield.
How many are targetted on one megapolis like Delhi or Kolkatta?
Out of these how many can be takeb out by multi layered ABM systems like PAD, AAD, PDV, S-400, S-300?
And finally most important once pakistan initiates nukes how many pakistan can launch once before disproportionate response from India in minutes?
pakistan is way out of league from a world power like India, thats why suffered when cut in two in 1971 and in self destruct mode while trying to outdo India.

You dont have active multi layered abm systems like pad aad and s400.

The nuclear delivery for pakistan is indeed a challenge and we are working on a second strike capability. We also need to make sure we cripple you enough so china can finish the job

 

[Sine Nomine]

Sindh and Balochistan will likely be free from insurgency anyway. We can let Pakjab burn for another 50 years.

The classic problem of Indians,Balochistan is huge Province with almost 60% Pashtun population,you guys tend to jump like Monkeys after seeing an unknown blochi living for decades in Europe,bashing Pakistan
Sindhis oh my gosh,last president was Sindhi and out of three poweful political parties in Pakistan one is Sindhi with roots in whole Pakistan.
I beg all Indians like you to treat there acute shortage of knowledge about Pakistan and Afghanistan

 

[Daghalodi]

The classic problem of Indians,Balochistan is huge Province with almost 60% Pashtun population,you guys tend to jump like Monkeys after seeing an unknown blochi living for decades in Europe,bashing Pakistan
Sindhis oh my gosh,last president was Sindhi and out of three poweful political parties in Pakistan one is Sindhi with roots in whole Pakistan.
I beg all Indians like you to treat there acute shortage of knowledge about Pakistan and Afghanistan

He is a high level ch--tiya!!!

 

[indianfighter1999]

You dont have active multi layered abm systems like pad aad and s400.

The nuclear delivery for pakistan is indeed a challenge and we are working on a second strike capability. We also need to make sure we cripple you enough so china can finish the job

India does have PAD, AAD, PDV in final round of testing, S-400 yes we dont havebut
neither u have Mirv capable missile deployed

 

[Daghalodi]

India does have PAD, AAD, PDV in final round of testing, S-400 yes we dont havebut
neither u have Mirv capable missile deployed

Good for you!!

Now nikar gang can sleep at night!!

 

[randomradio]

This is the kind of garbage you spit when your high smelling cow dung!!

Pakistan is the only security threat while your generals are talking about a two front war. Part of kashmir lost to china and you getting your rear kicked in 1962 and recently the dokhlam incident and your saying what can China do.

yes we all know you'd still be breathing fresh air after 150 nuclear strikes on bharat mata and making claims like indian rafales are better than F 22

You do not understand India's security threats. And pretty much all of you know nothing about nukes.

The classic problem of Indians,Balochistan is huge Province with almost 60% Pashtun population,you guys tend to jump like Monkeys after seeing an unknown blochi living for decades in Europe,bashing Pakistan
Sindhis oh my gosh,last president was Sindhi and out of three poweful political parties in Pakistan one is Sindhi with roots in whole Pakistan.
I beg all Indians like you to treat there acute shortage of knowledge about Pakistan and Afghanistan

You don't understand human greed. Everybody wants to be PM, not just CM.

In 150 nukes how many are 150-300 kt?
how many are tactical nukes with sub kiloton yield.
How many are targetted on one megapolis like Delhi or Kolkatta?
Out of these how many can be takeb out by multi layered ABM systems like PAD, AAD, PDV, S-400, S-300?
And finally most important once pakistan initiates nukes how many pakistan can launch once before disproportionate response from India in minutes?
pakistan is way out of league from a world power like India, thats why suffered when cut in two in 1971 and in self destruct mode while trying to outdo India.

Logic and common sense doesn't work on most members here.