India should become super power in sports also: Union Minister for Home Rajnath Singh

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[I M Sikander]

So you admit Pakisatn has won no medal in Olympics in last 20 years?

V also dont claim to be a sports super power. No problem if we didnt win.

This explains why you guys bash India on sports threads by bringing China in dicussion and comparing their acheivenets in sports

No body is bashing india, just showing mirror to so called super power.

 

[Darmashkian]

Back to the topic, Olympics is one of the most popular universal events since its origination in ancient Greece as religious and athletic festivals, while modern days Olympics would be purely a festival for the best athletes on this planet to have games together.

1) Economic Factor. If we look at the results by countries, country groupings, there seems to be a correlation between economic size (take G20 as an example) and sporting results:

- in the 2008 Olympics, top 10 spots are all G20 countries
- in the 2012 Olympics, top 8 spots are all G20 countries
- in the top spots, 13 out of 30 are G20 countries
- in top 30 spots, we see smaller economies e.g. Hungary, Kazakhstan, Netherlands, Ukraine, New Zealand, Cuba, Iran, Jamaica, Czech Republic, North Korea, Spain, Ethiopia, Croatia, Belarus, Romania, Kenya, Denmark, Azerbaijan, Poland, Mongolia, Thailand​

While being a G20 member, India underperformed. The argument that it has low GDP per capita (lowest in G20, lower than Sub-Saharan African average) hence lack of investment isn't a sound one, as some countries like Kazakhstan, Jamaica, Ethiopia, Kenya and Azerbaijan can perform very well. Economic factor cannot explain India's underperformance in sports.

2) Political Factor. Some may argue that sporting of democratic countries cannot compete with state-administered sporting like the those from ex-communist camp. However the fact is that over-whelming number of countries in the Olympics are democratic, and those from ex-communist camp have also largely converted into market economy which includes sports (e.g. ad income for celebs). In the top 12 spots in 2012, 11 countries have same political system as India, they are (1) USA (3) UK (4) Russia (5) South Korea (6) Germany (7) France (8) Italy (9) Hungary (10) Australia (11) Japan.

3) Religious Factor. Muslim countries have special customs and practices, like some sports are confined to a certain gender, and that will naturally limit their participation in Olympics and hence medal tallies. Among G20 countries, Saudi Arabia and Indonesia are Muslim, while India isn't (majority of Indian population isn't Muslim). Hence religious factor also cannot explain India's underperformance in sports.

- G20 countries e.g. Turkey, Mexico, Argentina are in 30-40's, close to the 1st league as above.
- G20 countries e.g. India, Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are lower in the ranks.
- Indonesia and Saudi Arabia are Muslim countries.​

4) Better Brain Factor. There is an argument saying Indians are pro-academic instead of sports. However when comparing literacy, intelligence quotients, education, international examination scores, India also rank exceptionally low (e.g. IQ 81 ranked 60 out of 81 countries, PISA scores ranked 72~74 out of 74 countries). Hence better-brain factor isn't true and hence again cannot explain the underperformance in sports.

As none of these are true factors behind India's current sports performance, so what are the actual ones? We need to identify the reality behind in order to find out the solution for India's improvement in sports. Wish India can host the 2024 Olympics and perform!

@AndrewJin
Well many of the Indian members have already explained some of the reasons why, but I'll tell some of the reasons :-
1)Many of the sports committee officials for the sports(hockey,football,volleyballetc)simply don't care much about their respective sports & their duties. Many of them are in for the money & luxuries they receive. Also many sports officials are also Politicians.

2) Corruption: Govt officials & the above heroes siphon the funds which are meant for sports development. It's not that India does not have money to invest - its just does not reach the destination.

3)Incomepetence/Poor Governance / Cheating : & even if the money reaches, many of the officials are incompetent at their work & mess up heavily leading to wastage of money. Add to that favouritism based on kin,caste,religion,region etc
Also in some cases, At the junior level for instance, age is frequently falsified. You have 12 yr old's competing against 16 yr old's. As such talent is not discovered at the right age.

4) Lack of incentive:- You cant make a living out of sports in India ..It's as simple as that- unless you play cricket of course or even badminton or Tennis in some cases.
In the past, even if you did well & belonged to other sports - all you could hope for was a govt monetary reward & lack of recognition - which was not enough in the first place & took too much time to come It also took so much time and effort to finally get it that you fell it was not worth it in the end. How are you going to win medals if you cant feed yourself or your family??
Add to that our Media/govt. hasn't given them the recognition they deserve.. & they need money for training facilities too.
Many ex-sportspersons who were born poor &are still poor because of govt. apathy. have told that they will discourage anyone else who follow in their path because it isn't worth it..

5. Lack of self belief: People never thought they could win. If anyone did think he or she could win - there were lots of people to convince him that he was a fool to even try. Add to that People pointed out at 4)

6. Lack of support for sports from family members: Parents hardly ever encourage their kids to play sports. The reason is pretty simple - Even if you are the # 1 in a particular sport (other than cricket & some exceptions) you can hardly make a living - but even if you are the top 1000 in a field such as business, engineering, law, medicine, governance, politics - you can actually make a ton of money.
Also many parents want their children to get good marks in their 10th or 12th boards, get an engineering/medicine degree at a good college in India or abroad & at the end get a good job! [Also refer to 4. once again]
If you look at sports people from India- you will see that many successful sports people come from wealthy or middle-class families. Not Many of them are from poor families [but that trend is now changing ].Also women are discouraged from playing sports (due to conservative beliefs )
Look at the comments of an Indian member on the previous pages of this thread to see what he thinks of a sports career. THAT is the mentality of many other Indians unfortunately..

7. Rural India / Lower Income Class at significant disadvantage: For reasons stated above - most of rural India and lower Income class can't think of cutting it in sports - by the time they are say 15 or 16 - reality sets in and they give up sports. We are talking about 1 billion people here but 99% of them don't even stand of chance of being recognized early enough.

8.We invest on the wrong sports: Formula 1 in India - why? That same investment could have gone towards low cost sports such as track and field, volley ball, table tennis etc. What are we trying to prove?
& Cricket isn't played in the Olympics is it. The Same Cricket which is a religion in India & which millions invest upon

But Yes times are now changing, the media is finally turning its eyes & it's lens towards the poor, the upcoming & the young prodigies in sports. Poor ,but talented sportspersons are finding private donors/sponsors, if not govt. support. Also many Indians have excelled in sports such as badminton(Saina Nehwal,Prakash amritraj,Srikanth Kidambi) Tennis(Sania Mirza,Leander Paes etc etc),wrestling(Sushil Kumar, Amit Kumar,Yogeshwar Dutt),boxing(Mary Kom,Vijender Singh & many other sports(discus throw,chess, etc) ..
Many more are turning towards such sports around the nation

The Central govt. (Atleast the new one) is cracking down on corruption & incompetence among the bureaucrats! Also it is working to do much better for it's players by providing them good facilities.[There is still a long,long way to go]
The Middle class is also not so allergic to a sports career for it's children as it earlier was!

Things are changing in India thanks to awareness & new Role Models.. There is still a long,long way to go before the &age of Medals in International competitions= &age of Indians in the world.. But they are changing one by one!

& I am sure That after a few decades, India will excel in sports & do fantastic in sports events. But there is still a long,long way to go before that!

 

[Yizhi]

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[AndrewJin]

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(may i get a copy of your notes? )

I think you've nailed them all, I learn a lot of new words from your comments

 

[Gibbs]

@AndrewJin
Well many of the Indian members have already explained some of the reasons why, but I'll tell some of the reasons :-
1)Many of the sports committee officials for the sports(hockey,football,volleyballetc)simply don't care much about their respective sports & their duties. Many of them are in for the money & luxuries they receive. Also many sports officials are also Politicians.

2) Corruption: Govt officials & the above heroes siphon the funds which are meant for sports development. It's not that India does not have money to invest - its just does not reach the destination.

3)Incomepetence/Poor Governance / Cheating : & even if the money reaches, many of the officials are incompetent at their work & mess up heavily leading to wastage of money. Add to that favouritism based on kin,caste,religion,region etc
Also in some cases, At the junior level for instance, age is frequently falsified. You have 12 yr old's competing against 16 yr old's. As such talent is not discovered at the right age.

4) Lack of incentive:- You cant make a living out of sports in India ..It's as simple as that- unless you play cricket of course or even badminton or Tennis in some cases.
In the past, even if you did well & belonged to other sports - all you could hope for was a govt monetary reward & lack of recognition - which was not enough in the first place & took too much time to come It also took so much time and effort to finally get it that you fell it was not worth it in the end. How are you going to win medals if you cant feed yourself or your family??
Add to that our Media/govt. hasn't given them the recognition they deserve.. & they need money for training facilities too.
Many ex-sportspersons who were born poor &are still poor because of govt. apathy. have told that they will discourage anyone else who follow in their path because it isn't worth it..

5. Lack of self belief: People never thought they could win. If anyone did think he or she could win - there were lots of people to convince him that he was a fool to even try. Add to that People pointed out at 4)

6. Lack of support for sports from family members: Parents hardly ever encourage their kids to play sports. The reason is pretty simple - Even if you are the # 1 in a particular sport (other than cricket & some exceptions) you can hardly make a living - but even if you are the top 1000 in a field such as business, engineering, law, medicine, governance, politics - you can actually make a ton of money.
Also many parents want their children to get good marks in their 10th or 12th boards, get an engineering/medicine degree at a good college in India or abroad & at the end get a good job! [Also refer to 4. once again]
If you look at sports people from India- you will see that many successful sports people come from wealthy or middle-class families. Not Many of them are from poor families [but that trend is now changing ].Also women are discouraged from playing sports (due to conservative beliefs )
Look at the comments of an Indian member on the previous pages of this thread to see what he thinks of a sports career. THAT is the mentality of many other Indians unfortunately..

7. Rural India / Lower Income Class at significant disadvantage: For reasons stated above - most of rural India and lower Income class can't think of cutting it in sports - by the time they are say 15 or 16 - reality sets in and they give up sports. We are talking about 1 billion people here but 99% of them don't even stand of chance of being recognized early enough.

8.We invest on the wrong sports: Formula 1 in India - why? That same investment could have gone towards low cost sports such as track and field, volley ball, table tennis etc. What are we trying to prove?
& Cricket isn't played in the Olympics is it. The Same Cricket which is a religion in India & which millions invest upon

But Yes times are now changing, the media is finally turning its eyes & it's lens towards the poor, the upcoming & the young prodigies in sports. Poor ,but talented sportspersons are finding private donors/sponsors, if not govt. support. Also many Indians have excelled in sports such as badminton(Saina Nehwal,Prakash amritraj,Srikanth Kidambi) Tennis(Sania Mirza,Leander Paes etc etc),wrestling(Sushil Kumar, Amit Kumar,Yogeshwar Dutt),boxing(Mary Kom,Vijender Singh & many other sports(discus throw,chess, etc) ..
Many more are turning towards such sports around the nation

The Central govt. (Atleast the new one) is cracking down on corruption & incompetence among the bureaucrats! Also it is working to do much better for it's players by providing them good facilities.[There is still a long,long way to go]
The Middle class is also not so allergic to a sports career for it's children as it earlier was!

Things are changing in India thanks to awareness & new Role Models.. There is still a long,long way to go before the &age of Medals in International competitions= &age of Indians in the world.. But they are changing one by one!

& I am sure That after a few decades, India will excel in sports & do fantastic in sports events. But there is still a long,long way to go before that!

Only sane post in the thread full of denials and pathetic excuses.. One person went to the extent of calling the Olympics a circus (A very bitter pill to swallow i expect).. Kudos to you though..

You are right.. Indian sportspeople are beginning to excel in certain disciplines as you mentioned.. I'm sure it will bode well for the future

 

[AndrewJin]

@AndrewJin
Well many of the Indian members have already explained some of the reasons why, but I'll tell some of the reasons :-
1)Many of the sports committee officials for the sports(hockey,football,volleyballetc)simply don't care much about their respective sports & their duties. Many of them are in for the money & luxuries they receive. Also many sports officials are also Politicians.

2) Corruption: Govt officials & the above heroes siphon the funds which are meant for sports development. It's not that India does not have money to invest - its just does not reach the destination.

3)Incomepetence/Poor Governance / Cheating : & even if the money reaches, many of the officials are incompetent at their work & mess up heavily leading to wastage of money. Add to that favouritism based on kin,caste,religion,region etc
Also in some cases, At the junior level for instance, age is frequently falsified. You have 12 yr old's competing against 16 yr old's. As such talent is not discovered at the right age.

4) Lack of incentive:- You cant make a living out of sports in India ..It's as simple as that- unless you play cricket of course or even badminton or Tennis in some cases.
In the past, even if you did well & belonged to other sports - all you could hope for was a govt monetary reward & lack of recognition - which was not enough in the first place & took too much time to come It also took so much time and effort to finally get it that you fell it was not worth it in the end. How are you going to win medals if you cant feed yourself or your family??
Add to that our Media/govt. hasn't given them the recognition they deserve.. & they need money for training facilities too.
Many ex-sportspersons who were born poor &are still poor because of govt. apathy. have told that they will discourage anyone else who follow in their path because it isn't worth it..

5. Lack of self belief: People never thought they could win. If anyone did think he or she could win - there were lots of people to convince him that he was a fool to even try. Add to that People pointed out at 4)

6. Lack of support for sports from family members: Parents hardly ever encourage their kids to play sports. The reason is pretty simple - Even if you are the # 1 in a particular sport (other than cricket & some exceptions) you can hardly make a living - but even if you are the top 1000 in a field such as business, engineering, law, medicine, governance, politics - you can actually make a ton of money.
Also many parents want their children to get good marks in their 10th or 12th boards, get an engineering/medicine degree at a good college in India or abroad & at the end get a good job! [Also refer to 4. once again]
If you look at sports people from India- you will see that many successful sports people come from wealthy or middle-class families. Not Many of them are from poor families [but that trend is now changing ].Also women are discouraged from playing sports (due to conservative beliefs )
Look at the comments of an Indian member on the previous pages of this thread to see what he thinks of a sports career. THAT is the mentality of many other Indians unfortunately..

7. Rural India / Lower Income Class at significant disadvantage: For reasons stated above - most of rural India and lower Income class can't think of cutting it in sports - by the time they are say 15 or 16 - reality sets in and they give up sports. We are talking about 1 billion people here but 99% of them don't even stand of chance of being recognized early enough.

8.We invest on the wrong sports: Formula 1 in India - why? That same investment could have gone towards low cost sports such as track and field, volley ball, table tennis etc. What are we trying to prove?
& Cricket isn't played in the Olympics is it. The Same Cricket which is a religion in India & which millions invest upon

But Yes times are now changing, the media is finally turning its eyes & it's lens towards the poor, the upcoming & the young prodigies in sports. Poor ,but talented sportspersons are finding private donors/sponsors, if not govt. support. Also many Indians have excelled in sports such as badminton(Saina Nehwal,Prakash amritraj,Srikanth Kidambi) Tennis(Sania Mirza,Leander Paes etc etc),wrestling(Sushil Kumar, Amit Kumar,Yogeshwar Dutt),boxing(Mary Kom,Vijender Singh & many other sports(discus throw,chess, etc) ..
Many more are turning towards such sports around the nation

The Central govt. (Atleast the new one) is cracking down on corruption & incompetence among the bureaucrats! Also it is working to do much better for it's players by providing them good facilities.[There is still a long,long way to go]
The Middle class is also not so allergic to a sports career for it's children as it earlier was!

Things are changing in India thanks to awareness & new Role Models.. There is still a long,long way to go before the &age of Medals in International competitions= &age of Indians in the world.. But they are changing one by one!

& I am sure That after a few decades, India will excel in sports & do fantastic in sports events. But there is still a long,long way to go before that!

China( I mean PRC not ROC Republic of China) was not a member of IOC until 1980s.
Don't get unmotivated because of the current situation. I'm sure what you feel was also what Chinese felt a century ago.
Think about the positive aspects of sports.
Life expectancy of China in 2014 is 75-year-old, much better than half a century ago, though still a long way to go.
The World Factbook

I think sport is a pivotal factor of prolong life expectancy. International games will considerably raise citizens' desire of sport. Like me, during Beijing Olympics in 2008, I was learning how to play tennis. During 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics, although China only won 3 gold medals and ranked 12th, it encouraged millions of Chinese to take part in winter sports and hundreds of winter sports resorts or stadiums have been built.

For other social impact and economic benefits, it is undeniably the preparation process will reshape a host city, like metro and expressway construction, old "slums" redevelopment. No need to neglect the side effects of holding an international games, but most experts think merits outweigh demerits.

ps. Although I am not a badminton fan, that amazing Indian athlete(sorry forget her names, bad at memorising foreign names) is performing excellently! Kudos to her and her team!
That is sport spirit! I hope all Indians love her and support different sports which they don't like. Our CCTV5(national sports channel) is very rich in programmes of different sorts of sports, even curling(love curling after enjoying some curling matches). If I travel in NE China, I'll definitely learn how to play. (curling is popular in Northeastern China)

Curling is even in physics examination.

 

[Yizhi]

I think you've nailed them all, I learn a lot of new words from your comments
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nonono you've overestimated my language skills...my problem is with invalid vocabulary can't utilize them efficiently....

nice handwriting btw.

@AndrewJin more chart for you.


China's life expectancy is not that far away from US, though still fall behind Japan. i think eventually we'll be like Hong Kong on par with Japan considering the ppl size of China that's very significant.

India on the other hand is also progressing but still, lots of catching up is needed.

also note this is data of 2012, 3 years passing by some progress has been made.

 

[AndrewJin]

Tu khaait mae he ja baita

Most nonsense logic i have ever heard, to justify the lack of sanitation facility

No worries. China and Pakistan have already signed some projects in Jan 2015.

 

[AndrewJin]

nonono you've overestimated my language skills...my problem is with invalid vocabulary can't utilize them efficiently....

nice handwriting btw.

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@AndrewJin more chart for you.


China's life expectancy is not that far away from US, though still fall behind Japan. i think eventually we'll be like Hong Kong on par with Japan considering the ppl size of China that's very significant.

India on the other hand is also progressing but still, lots of catching up is needed.

also note this is data of 2012, 3 years passing by some progress has been made.

I believe in your anticipation. Sports, sanitation, nutrition, medical systems, and technological reforms and the ongoing industrial revolution which will reduce pollution, are the key factors of life expectancy.

The third world has a long way to go in terms of child malnutrition, infant mortality rate, etc.
But I am witnessing a promising tendency.

nonono you've overestimated my language skills...my problem is with invalid vocabulary can't utilize them efficiently....

nice handwriting btw.

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@AndrewJin more chart for you.


China's life expectancy is not that far away from US, though still fall behind Japan. i think eventually we'll be like Hong Kong on par with Japan considering the ppl size of China that's very significant.

India on the other hand is also progressing but still, lots of catching up is needed.

also note this is data of 2012, 3 years passing by some progress has been made.

Is it 75-year-old for China in 2014?
I'm not sure about the number.
I advocate we do a lot of sports and excursions! Good for health, also good for economy.

 

[uparyupari]

Only sane post in the thread full of denials and pathetic excuses.. One person went to the extent of calling the Olympics a circus (A very bitter pill to swallow i expect).. Kudos to you though..

You are right.. Indian sportspeople are beginning to excel in certain disciplines as you mentioned.. I'm sure it will bode well for the future

LOL... you just saw what you wanted to see. A post that is in line with your prejudice.

Tell me again how is the Olympics not a Circus ?

Its an entertainment show where people dance and jump and run for the entertainment and amusement of others.

 

[Darmashkian]

You know how imperialists called Chinese as 东亚病夫 100 years ago (sick men of East Asia).
China( I mean PRC not ROC Republic of China) was not a member of IOC until 1980s.
Don't get unmotivated because of the current situation. I'm sure what you feel was also what Chinese felt a century ago.
Think about the positive aspects of sports.
Life expectancy of China in 2014 is 75-year-old, much better than half a century ago, though still a long way to go.
The World Factbook
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I think sport is a pivotal factor of prolong life expectancy. International games will considerably raise citizens' desire of sport. Like me, during Beijing Olympics in 2008, I was learning how to play tennis. During 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics, although China only won 3 gold medals and ranked 12th, it encouraged millions of Chinese to take part in winter sports and hundreds of winter sports resorts or stadiums have been built.

For other social impact and economic benefits, it is undeniably the preparation process will reshape a host city, like metro and expressway construction, old "slums" redevelopment. No need to neglect the side effects of holding an international games, but most experts think merits outweigh demerits.

ps. Although I am not a badminton fan, that amazing Indian athlete(sorry forget her names, bad at memorising foreign names) is performing excellently! Kudos to her and her team!
That is sport spirit! I hope all Indians love her and support different sports which they don't like. Our CCTV5(national sports channel) is very rich in programmes of different sorts of sports, even curling(love curling after enjoying some curling matches). If I travel in NE China, I'll definitely learn how to play. (curling is popular in Northeastern China)

Curling is even in physics examination.
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Well,my friend I am not unmotivated at the present state of sports in India , on the contrary I am full of hope about it's future ..
But thanks for your concern none the less..

& yes when a nation performs well in some sports disciplines at such international events, such wins get them huge publicity & rewards from the Media & the govt.. Due to which many people become more aware about such disciplines & are encouraged to turn towards them, especially the young..

That's how cricket grew popular in India, after the Indian cricket team reached the Finals in the 1983 World Cup against all odds & defeated the mighty West Indies

And to be honest unlike many of my fellow Indians, I don't support an Olympics in India for the next 10 years.. I feel we have many other important problems to tackle across the nation before we can even consider holding such a big event in just a few cities

The badminton player you are talking about is Saina Nehwal, I think

& yes, she is very popular in India especially among young girls.

& by the way what is Curling ??

 

[AndrewJin]

@Darmashkian Yep, it's her, I watched her competing with a Singaporean once.
Curling is very popular in Northern Europe and North America.
Curling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
After Chinese curling team won some prizes after 2008, curling has attracted thousands of Chinese, especially in Northeastern China.
It's a game of elegance, control, and most importantly strategy.
I love to try different sorts of sports! Basketball, table tennis, tennis, volleyball, squash, mountain bike cycling, and next I'll learn how to play curling when having a trip in NE China.

Although Chinese team is not so good at curling, athletes and new curling lovers are spreading this sport.
And watching a curling match on TV is really a feast of eyes!

 

[Keel]

Wow, they should have built a high-quality stadium. That roof was terrible and I don't think rational people dared to step inside...

what I referred to (see following quote) was the commentator said "Bird's Eye View" of the Indian stadium when the camera was just panning the stadium at eye level

Well I will just be an audience if their time comes
Good luck to them
This brings back CWG 2010
2010年印度新德里英联邦运动会开幕式 Part 1 of 13—在线播放—优酷网，视频高清在线观看
Check out @6:42.
I am wondering if India would invite some monks in exile to blow the trumpets again if they can have the Olympic event 2024
Also @2:29 listen to what the Indian commentator said. It was quite funny
BEV

Ancient Chinese Art of Paper Folding ( a jaguar)

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I notice the thread title says 'superpower' and 'also' that implies India is already superpower in something else? What might that be? May I ask?