India, Saudi Arabia to set up $750 million fund

[MilSpec]

No country Invests in other country unless it sees its own profits, Saudi Arabia wants to make india and iran Gap a bit more Wider and On the other hand it has realized that Muslims in India are living like second class citizens with not equal rights, KSA will make sure most of the money goes to Muslims and Their socio-economic uplift and become politically strong to demand separate state!

 

[Bhai Zakir]

No country Invests in other country unless it sees its own profits, Saudi Arabia wants to make india and iran Gap a bit more Wider and On the other hand it has realized that Muslims in India are living like second class citizens with not equal rights, KSA will make sure most of the money goes to Muslims and Their socio-economic uplift and become politically strong to demand separate state!

Yes Indian Muslims are living like a second class citizens we are not that lucky to die due to daily suicide attack or sectarian violence.

 

[Yaduveer]

to save itself Pakistan must move away from Iran and Arabia and maintain a neutral relation with both limited to trade and business.

Iran is going in opposite direction towards what Saudi Arabia was during Fahd era. It will soon become a launch pad of Al Quaida 2.

Frankly speaking Pakistan do not have guts to have remain neutral with both Saudi and Iran for following reason:

1. Don't think of Saudi as one country,think of whole GCC as one monolith.

2. Pakistan is a resource hungry nation with low cash, Only saudi can give oil on long term and easy loan. (Iran is sanctioned)

3. Distancing away from saudi block means loosing support of arab countries on Kashmir.

4. Iran and pakistan are mutually antagonistic on afghanistan.

So I see a Pakistan to be pro- Saudi for considerable future.
Pakistan have to watch India-Saudi friendship with pain because it is Pakistan who need Saudi not the other way round.


P.S. Yes Wahabism is poison for India but ideals of Democracy and Secularism is no less poison for Saudi monarch. So I don't think ,both will interfere in internal matters of each other.

 

[somebozo]

No country Invests in other country unless it sees its own profits, Saudi Arabia wants to make india and iran Gap a bit more Wider and On the other hand it has realized that Muslims in India are living like second class citizens with not equal rights, KSA will make sure most of the money goes to Muslims and Their socio-economic uplift and become politically strong to demand separate state!

You have just won yourself the prestigious Ziad Hamid cap award! The first ever on PDF!

Frankly speaking Pakistan do not have guts to have remain neutral with both Saudi and Iran for following reason:

1. Don't think of Saudi as one country,think of whole GCC as one monolith.

2. Pakistan is a resource hungry nation with low cash, Only saudi can give oil on long term and easy loan. (Iran is sanctioned)

3. Distancing away from saudi block means loosing support of arab countries on Kashmir.

4. Iran and pakistan are mutually antagonistic on afghanistan.

So I see a Pakistan to be pro- Saudi for considerable future.
Pakistan have to watch India-Saudi friendship with pain because it is Pakistan who need Saudi not the other way round.


P.S. Yes Wahabism is poison for India but ideals of Democracy and Secularism is no less poison for Saudi monarch. So I don't think ,both will interfere in internal matters of each other.

No one would have said it better, India is capable of paying back with a much more lethal doctrine than obsolete 7th century Ummah socialism. Pakistan acts as a dampener in Indo-Saudi relations. It satisfies the hardliners at home and provides them a venue for for their dirty deeds while India satisfies the moderate factions and provides them a venue for continuing education and lucrative investment opportunities.

the entire GCC has much stronger and rapidly expanding relations with India and in the wider context it is absolutely folly to expect anything on Kashmir other than lip service - and frankly that has been the case for last 10 years.

Yes Indian Muslims are living like a second class citizens we are not that lucky to die due to daily suicide attack or sectarian violence.

Better to "live" as second class than to "die" in suicide blasts!

 

[A.Rafay]

You have just won yourself the prestigious Ziad Hamid cap award! The first ever on PDF!

No one would have said it better, India is capable of paying back with a much more lethal doctrine than obsolete 7th century Ummah socialism. Pakistan acts as a dampener in Indo-Saudi relations. It satisfies the hardliners at home and provides them a venue for for their dirty deeds while India satisfies the moderate factions and provides them a venue for continuing education and lucrative investment opportunities.

the entire GCC has much stronger and rapidly expanding relations with India and in the wider context it is absolutely folly to expect anything on Kashmir other than lip service - and frankly that has been the case for last 10 years.




Better to "live" as second class than to "die" in suicide blasts!

@somebozo And you just got banned, Im Happy!!! Shows you credibility here on PDF! Troll!

 

[livingdead]

^^^ I dont see him banned.
ontopic: We should collaborate more, with every country including saudis. I would like to have saudi students in Indian universities, like iranians.

 

[eddie01]

very good KSA, now soon after this they will promote Islam.

Really... we are obliged to hear that. but i think pakistan needs it badly coz blast are taking place every now n then. atleast some monuments should be left for people like you frm where you would be able to post IN PDF..

 

[Arya Desa]

Friend and Foe mentality is not helping us. Saudis and Iranians are all for their own interests and we should do the same - what benefits us in the long term. The Iranians are suddenly waking up from their deep pro-India slumber and once again exploiting our brotherhood sentiments to propel their own goals - which is evading sanctions.

A sucessfull foreign policy is based on prioritizing national, civilian and regional interest. Our foreign policies are based on 7th century socialist concept, and by extension of this mentality is opposing India. The precise reason we find ourselves in a constant flip flop with Iran vs Saudi Arabia is our unnecessary aspirations to be seen as "OIC champions". Much of the current events which have unfolded in Pakistan for the last 2-3 decades have their roots in the same failed foreign policy and so its the recent string of sectarian strife.

Relations with China are an extended by product of "oppose India at all cost" mentality - which again has its roots in bogus Islamic history of superior Muslim rule over India for 1000 years. As China and India grow to become responsible powers in the region, their tensions will diffuse while economic integration with strengthen making Pakistan an insignificant part of equation. Beijing will still long to maintain some token relations with Islamabad but the direction will change from "countering India" to making sure Pakistani government remain under hedge against activity which mean disrupt Chinese economic activity with India.

Things would be much different today if our FP was not dictated by events in alien lands, there would be no need to continue supporting Taliban in Afghanistan post soviet withdrawal, Pakistan would on good terms with all its neighbors and sectarian violence would be kept at bay. Continuous failure of our unrealistic FP is driving us into chaos, we have lost touch with reality, our population has lost the sense of nationhood and now a big lava of ethnic and sectarian tensions is cooking which may explode into a civil war anytime. The OIC focused FP has turned our internal state of affairs so confusing that we cannot even differentiate between friend and foe anymore. Confusion is evident as several terrorist leaders have been arrested and then freed without conscience. Our second most important neighbor - Afghanistan with 3 Million afghan refugees in Pakistan has written us down as "pariah state" in their books.

The biggest sign of any failed state is their armed institution losing efficiency and turning into showpieces of might - and the process has somewhat already started in Pakistan.

A good step for Pakistan would be to withdraw from OIC, as it gives us a false sense of support and dignity which is not really the case and have a second look on our internal and external policies. Decide what should be the course of nation for next 50 years and who is friend and who is a foe. How should Pakistan play a stronger regional role and integrate itself with its roots in the region rather than remote desserts of Iran and Arabia.

In an attempt to destroy India, Pakistan destroyed itself.

Cry all you want but i will always say this. Iran, our neighbour is historically, culturally and linguistically close to us. They should be our natural allies. From the past few decades we have seen what Saudis have been giving to us ;terrorists, madrassas, easy money, and support to american alliance. Apart from Oil that country has nothing to offer. If Iran is out of sanctions, it can give us natural resources that we wont have import overseas. Just in case you did not notice, they are growing fast in the field of science and technology, and they could offer us more than anyone else. Our interests should always be looking after our own borders first. We don't want to fight for someone else just like we were asked to do in Bahrain and in Mecca/Madina.

Iran is bankrupt. How can someone with nothing give you anything? Iran won't drop ties with India for the sake of Pakistan. Nobody will anymore. Learn to work with your neighbour or sit back as even Sudan overtakes you

 

[patentneer]

Right now, Pakistan could do with a large dose of Saudi generosity re: oil for firing up it's electric grid.

Tomorrow is another day. Mid to long term strategic blah-blah-blah can wait. Traditionally, the only other real option was launch against India or maybe the Afghans by way of the Soviets, Bengali minority, Pashtuns, Sunnis, Ahmeddiyas and other minorities.

Military rule cashed in all options and handed a bankrupt state to the politicians. Having run the country down, the military now mocks the country while rebuilding from it's misadventures.

Pakistan could use a wake up call.

China, US, KSA, many EU states can fix Pakistan infra. etc. in 5-10 yrs.

The real, deep strategic rot will need a longish bout of do-it-yourself housecleaning.

Point to note and understand, nobody wants outsiders, even Pakistanis in their country anymore; times are tough and visas are visas.

The elitist trick of grinding their kids re: foreifn student visa and then piggybacking saidbkidsbrobescape Pakistan is getting noticed.

 

[madooxno9]

Great effort KSA should invest in building mosques across India.

Absolutely , We do not have any problem with that until unless that mosque is not on illegal land and producing jobs or is beneficial for the people of India.

 

[RangerPK]

I think the Saudi Arabians have been interested in India for quite some time. I think they have been investing in India to spread Islam for the last couple of decades. Like how people like Zakir Naik are promoted in India and internationally. Do we expect there is no Saudi Hand behind it? I think with this direct investment of Saudis, such religious preaching might increase.


Where there is smoke, there is fire.

 

[Contrarian]

I think the Saudi Arabians have been interested in India for quite some time. I think they have been investing in India to spread Islam for the last couple of decades. Like how people like Zakir Naik are promoted in India and internationally. Do we expect there is no Saudi Hand behind it? I think with this direct investment of Saudis, such religious preaching might increase. Where there is smoke, there is fire.

They did for a good long while...now GoI has started clamping down on Saudi Money flowing in through charities and hawala routes.

Zakir naik and his ilk are banned...and thank god for that.

 

[doremon]

They did for a good long while...now GoI has started clamping down on Saudi Money flowing in through charities and hawala routes.

Zakir naik and his ilk are banned...and thank god for that.

that guy is a cheat who fools people and did u notice he always like to talk to people who dont know nothing about their own religion

 

[Contrarian]

that guy is a cheat who fools people and did u notice he always like to talk to people who dont know nothing about their own religion

Well, most Islamic preachers I have seen are cheats at worst and liars at best.
They are the first to jump on some Hazrat something something and say he did this great thing - and this is what Islam is all about.

When the terrorists blow up some people in the name of allah- they start say this is not true Islam...and yet dont denounce when Shias or Ahmadis are killed.