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India’s vanishing Parsis

Please guys, I've been to my share of ZYA jamboorees.

Screwing around is not the problem. :)

The problem lies in legitimizing it and something coming out of it.

I like the Israeli concept of a kibbutz. Too late for me of course .....
 
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Hasn't stopped you from being the uninvited spokesperson of every Shia on the planet either, has it?

I am pouring water on your deluded fantasies. I don't care if you like it or not.

As long as you are talking about Indian Parsis, I don't care, but when you start blabbing against Islam, I will set the record right.

Zoroastrianism has no interest in Pakistani/Indian or any non-Iranian Shia Muslim either.

The concept of blood is extremely strong amongst Zoroastrians and Hindus and Jews. Not so in faiths that grew and spread inorganically.

Shed the euphemisms and say what you mean: you are obsessed with 'racial purity' and don't want it polluted by local Indian blood.

All Indians and Iranians here are only too painfully aware of your reasons. The only person peddling anything here is finding no buyers. As it should be amongst people of ancient faiths.

Lol. The 'identity crisis' speech again?

I notice you don't try that crap with the Iranians any more, after they thrashed you soundly the last time you tried it on them, along with your racial purity nonsense.

I have not seen a SINGLE Iranian here who badmouths Zoroastrianism. Nor one who buys into the exclusivity of Islam over all else as is prevalent in other Islamic thought-streams we sub-continental people are sadly more used to. Thanks mainly to you guys of course.

Here we go with your stock Islam bashing rants.

I did not badmouth Zoroastrianism, only extremists obsessed with racial purity, so spare me your fake indignation.

Again you speak for the entire expat Iranian population based on your individual sampling. If anecdotal viewpoints win debates, I should simply back away.

Or come up with diametrically opposite stories of Iranians flocking to ZYA meets (a HUGE number do) and increasingly looking to read and learn about their faith from those of us who never stopped practicing it.

It's hilarious how you keep shifting goalposts because you can't substantiate your fantasies. No one has ever denied that Iranians celebrate Zoroastrian festivals. The claim was about mass conversions to Zoroastrianism which, in the expat community not subject to religious restrictions, simply is NOT happening in the kind of numbers you are claiming.

The problem lies in the lack of missionary zeal amongst Zoroastrian Parsis. Our faith was never geared in that way. But we need to change.

No, the problem lies with your obsession with racial purity and rejecting indigenous Indian blood as being not good enough.

We have a responsibility as keepers of the faith and the flame. Iran looks to us. Young Iranians look to us. And in the final analysis, looking at Iran's strategic cornerstone role, the world and humanity looks to us.

Another of your delusions: Iranian Zoroastrians do not need you to keep anything alive. Hardcore Iranian Zoroastrians reject your Dasatir-inspired form of Parsi faith as a 16-17th century corruption of the original Zoroastrian faith.

Do you even understand or remotely comprehend the role the Ayatollah plays in Iran? Seeing his blood in front of the atash padshah has made me more of a believer than the last 6 months battling with Iranians here.

A Pakistani is telling an Indian that? It would be mildly amusing had the novelty of the shock value not worn off a long ago for me here.

Excuses, excuses.,,

Like I wrote, you simply cannot comprehend the concept that people of one faith can attend ceremonies of another faith without there being something more to it.

Zoroastrianism has been around for far longer than all other monothiestic faiths put together.

It may give you vicarious thrills to lash out feebly and demean it by calling it a fad.

If Zoroastrianism is a fad for Iranians, what does that make Islam?

Unlike you, I do not pass crass statements about another faith. I just leave the question hanging in the air.

For the unbiased to find answers to.

That's quite a statement from one of the most foul mouthed, foam-at-the-mouth bigots on this forum. You can't go two days without bloviating and foaming at the mouth against Arabs, Islam and whatnot.

So pare me your deliberate misinterpretions: I didn't say Zoroastrianism is a fad, but some people would toy with it as a fad.

For example, Hollywood celebrities toy with Kabbala. It doesn't mean Kabbala itself is a fad, but dabbling in it is a fad for some people.
 
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Doc! What the name of the black hat you guys wear?
 
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Doc! What the name of the black hat you guys wear?

We call it Pagri or Fenta.

This is Pagri ..... worn while getting married (passed down from father to son usually ..... special hat makers make it and is pretty expensive considering you wear it just once!)

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This on the other hand is the more ceremonial and intricate Fento (even more expensive and rare)

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As long as the belief is kept personal one don't cares about anyone converting or reverting. However if the belief is a part of political ideology there buds a stream of insecurities. i really enjoyed the company of my Iranian friends there as there is lot of openness and room for free thought.

Developerreo: On what basis you are claiming that they are racists or western wannabees? I have roamed in the streets of tehran alone even at midnight, never i have come across a racist remark or gesture from anyone. Dont cook up stories to cover your insecurities. They have high respect for the Indian civilization and thankful for providing refuge to the zoroastrians.
I think so too.

The real reason why the muslims of Pakistan like Developer are afraid of that and want to deny that is they fear it will start a domino effect on them as well. That people would start reverting to their roots and guess what ? that is the doomsday scenario for Pakistan. For what is Pakistan if it is not different from India ? :)



No it doesnt. Read my post. Anyone from the west of Bharatvarsh were considered mlecchas and of impure blood.




No its rather cute and funny when you have to exhibit your insecurity about some random Iranian reverting to his roots.



A keeper. *likes*



Their attraction to Shia to many may not out of the love of it, but to split in the face of Arabs that we are different from you. That we have not been overrun by you.

Today that expression finds a vent in the form of Shia islam due to state tutelage, tomorrow it may be Zoroastrianism.

As I said, how you Pakistanis view Islam is not a yardstick of how different populations view Islam.
p.s.: Looks like an Iranian has said the same.
 
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Developerreo: On what basis you are claiming that they are racists or western wannabees? I have roamed in the streets of tehran alone even at midnight, never i have come across a racist remark or gesture from anyone. Dont cook up stories to cover your insecurities. They have high respect for the Indian civilization and thankful for providing refuge to the zoroastrians.

That was the analysis by Hamid Dabashi who is an Iranian scholar. Again, he is not talking about Iranian society at large, but a small elitist urban elite who also tend to be the most vocal anti-Muslim crowd.

I, too, have known many, many Iranians and did not find them to be at all racist, but they were also not rabidly obsessed with religion either.

My comment was about the small elitist minority that Dabashi describes. If you keep the radar on, you can catch glimpses of it with one or two Iranian posters even here.
 
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Zoroastrianism is not something that needs formal reversion per se when you speak about Muslim Persians.

Because they never stopped being Zoroastrian.

And that's where the foaming at mouth really stems from elsewhere. :)

Its weird being told by a Hindu convert what Iranians feel and believe about their own ancestral faith.

Especially when there are Iranians here, both agnostic and Muslim, who say just the opposite.

Of course we should take the word of a Pakistani Muslim as gospel here.

We are the fools for leaving our land to preserve our great faith.
 
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CONVERSION TO ZOROASTRIANISM


The question of whether Zoroastrianism should allow converts is one of the most divisive and bitter issues facing the whole community. While other religions, such as Christianity and Islam, depend on converts to increase their numbers, Zoroastrianism has been, at least in recent centuries, strictly based on ethnicity. You have to be born a Zoroastrian in order to be one; you cannot enter into the faith from outside. But the question is continually asked: why must this be true? Can this policy be changed? And has this always been true in the long history of the faith? In this essay I will try to describe the many problems, arguments, and reasons on both sides of the question.

Can you convert to Zoroastrianism? The official answer, which is given by the Parsi priestly hierarchy in Bombay, and supported by a large number of traditional Zoroastrians, is NO. In order to be a Zoroastrian, you must be born of two Zoroastrian parents. One is not enough! No children of mixed marriages are officially Zoroastrian. In practice, however, the children of Zoroastrian fathers and non-Z. mothers are sometimes given admission to the faith - but not the children of Zoroastrian mothers and non-Z. fathers. Zoroastrian identity descends through the father's line, unlike Jewish identity, which is defined by the mother being Jewish.

Why has this rule against conversions come about? There are many levels of reasoning behind it. Conservatives who support the ban on conversions will cite philosophical, religious, political, social, and emotional reasons for it. Here are some of the arguments against conversion, which are commonly used by Zoroastrian traditionalists to justify their belief in the ethnic exclusivity of their faith.

The philosophical and religious reasons are represented by educated Zoroastrian conservatives. They say that all great religions are equally true, and that no one faith is better or more desirable than any other. All religions that lead to righteous and constructive actions are inspired by God, and will lead their good believers to a heavenly reward. Therefore there is no reason to choose one religion over another. These conservatives recommend that a spiritual searcher should seek within his/her own faith, without trying to adopt other religions. In this view, not only should there be no conversion to Zoroastrianism, but the need should not even arise. Christians should be good Christians, Muslims good Muslims, and Jews good Jews - without coveting the illusory benefits of someone else's faith.

A religious version of this argument claims that God Himself has placed everyone in his/her faith in a kind of religious destiny, and thus conversion is a disobedience against the God who has given you your specific religion. Many Zoroastrian traditionalists, especially Parsis, believe that the soul, which pre-exists birth into a material body, has chosen, in union with the will of God, to enter a specific religion. Attempting to convert is going against the true nature of one's own Soul. For traditionalists, conversion to Zoroastrianism is just short of blasphemy - an act of contempt for the God who has given you birth in a specific tradition. It is true, the traditionalists admit, that many of the great faiths were originally built on conversions from other religions, but these early, founding conversions are justified because they were done under the inspiration of a true Prophet - such as Moses, Jesus, or Mohammed. Once the era of the Prophet is gone, then conversions again become invalid, for only a divine Prophet has the authority to convert people.

This leads to the conclusion that hundreds of millions of people are worshiping invalidly, because their ancestors, without the benefit of a Prophet, chose an alien faith - whether willingly or because of coercion. This includes numerous Iranians, who were originally Zoroastrian but were converted to Islam. The conservatives, though they are aware of this, still maintain that even an Iranian Muslim whose Zoroastrian ancestors were forcibly converted to Islam cannot return to the faith of his/her fathers. God, and those individual souls, chose that particular birth, no matter what went on historically. History cannot be reversed. Only a divine Prophet can convert people back to Zoroastrianism. Zoroastrian traditionalists rely on their religious beliefs about a coming Savior - the _saoshyant_- as a final answer to the problem of conversion. When the Savior arrives (a Zoroastrian idea that pre-dated Jewish Messianism and may have inspired the Jewish idea of the Messiah) this divine man will have the authority to convert people. Zoroastrians then hope that all people will be converted to Zoroastrianism through the power of the Savior, who will appear at the End of Time.

Meanwhile, traditionalist Zoroastrians wait patiently and continue to oppose conversion to their ancient faith. The next reason they use to justify their opposition is political and cultural. When groups of Iranian pilgrims fled an oppressive Muslim regime in Iran in the 10th century AD, they came to Gujarat, a kingdom on the west coast of India. The Kisseh-i-Sanjan, an epic poem written by a 16th-century Parsi priest, documents the history of his people in India. According to the poem, the pilgrims negotiated with the rulers of Gujarat for safe haven there, and they worked out an agreement. The pilgrims were required to explain the tenets of their religion to the ruler; they were also to learn the local language and speak it rather than Persian. They were also required to adopt the dress of the area rather than wear Iranian garb, they were to celebrate their weddings in the evening rather than in the morning, and they were to put aside their weapons and not wear them at any time. Other traditions say that the Zoroastrian pilgrims were never to convert their Hindu or Muslim neighbors. This promise of non- conversion may not be documented in the poem or other surviving texts, but it is oral tradition, handed down in Zoroastrian culture for a thousand years and more. And the Parsis, as these pilgrims to India were called, have kept their promises. Thus the prohibition against conversion has a longstanding political background.

The social argument against conversion relies on the idea that Zoroastrianism is a strictly ethnic religion. In the traditionalists' historical view, Zarathushtra was not an innovator, but a reformer who practiced the priestly traditions of his ancient Indo-Iranian people. Zoroastrianism, then, does not break traditions, but continues them - reformed from polytheism to monotheism by the divinely inspired Prophet. And these traditions are from time immemorial the exclusive possession of a people known as Aryans. In the West, the term "Aryan" has been permanently discredited by its misuse by the Nazis, and the more neutral "Indo-Iranian" is preferred. For a conservative Zoroastrian, especially those with a more extreme outlook, only those who are Indo-Iranian Zoroastrian, with an unbroken lineage unmixed with any non-Zoroastrian heritage, can be true Zoroastrians.

Traditionalists regard Zoroastrianism as more than just a religion. It is an integral culture, which comprises not only faith and practice but an entire lifestyle: language, symbolism, law, clothing, calendar, festivals, food, family life, songs and literature, humor, history, etiquette, gestures, even interior decoration. This integral culture is learned from the earliest moments of life - transmitted from parents to children in an education that no school or sociological study could ever provide. In the traditionalist view, it is impossible to enter into this culture if you have not been born into it - you cannot learn as an adult things you should have learned along with your first steps and words. This culture, and the religion that goes with it, thus cannot be transferred. A non-Zoroastrian married to a Zoroastrian will always be at a loss to understand things his/her spouse takes for granted. And the non-Zoroastrian spouse will bring elements from his/her own culture that are alien to the Z. culture. It is better never to marry outside the culture, as conflict will always follow. The religion is a precious heirloom, which will only be misunderstood and adulterated by outsiders. In this view, intermarriage can only be seen as a threat, which will result in the dilution or even the extinction of the precious culture. And as Zoroastrians, both Iranian and Parsi, migrate away from their native countries, the immigrants are terrified, with good reason, that this heirloom culture will be swept away by the polluted ocean of "Western" culture which surrounds them. Modern culture is a deeply fearsome thing to many traditionalist Zoroastrians.

The third set of reasons that Zoroastrian traditionalists give for their opposition to conversion is emotional and psychological. Zoroastrianism, ever since the Muslim conquest of Iran, has been a minority religion. It has been persecuted in Iran for centuries. Even in India, where the Parsis lived more or less undisturbed by their hosts, the Zoroastrians have always remained separate from the majority. The main reason why these minorities have been able to survive through the centuries is because their religion gives them strength. Zoroastrianism has been the coherent core of the people, the rallying point that keeps them going through hard times, poverty, and persecution. Why, then, should it be given away to those who have not earned it, not suffered through the long years of trial? It would mean nothing to an outsider. And so conversion becomes meaningless, or even an insult.

There seems to be a series of good arguments for banning conversion to Zoroastrianism. The trouble is that the number of "true" Zoroastrians continues to decrease. There are many reasons for this: a low birth rate, economic problems, the difficulty of finding qualified mates and raising families with a high standard of living, emigration, intermarriage, and simple apathy or ignorance of the faith. The resistance to any religious change has alienated many Zoroastrians, who question ancient laws and practices that they say were appropriate for the agrarian society of the past but have no relevance in a modern, technological world. If Zoroastrianism does not accept converts, say these questioners, it risks going the way of near-extinct sects such as the Shakers, whose inflexible practices (in the case of the Shakers, maintenance of celibacy and thus non- procreation) made it impossible to continue as a group.

It must be added that most of the anti-conversion sentiment in the Zoroastrian world comes from the Indian Parsis. Iranian Zoroastrians are much more likely to accept converts, marriages to non-Zoroastrians (who are then welcomed into the community) and people of mixed ancestry. The problems with conversion in Iran are mainly political: converting someone away from Islam is an offense against the Islamic Republic and may be seriously penalized. Therefore, conversions in Iran are done very quietly.

What arguments do the "liberal" Zoroastrians use to counter the conservatives? The liberal reformists claim documented history as their strongest argument in favor of conversion. According to the scriptures of Zoroastrianism, which range from the original Gathas of Zarathushtra to doctrinal works written in medieval times, conversion has not only been mentioned but accepted as a practice throughout the long history of the religion.

There are many passages in the original hymns of Zarathushtra, the Gathas, where the Prophet explicitly claims a mission to convert all people - not just Indo-Iranians. References to conversion occur throughout the Avesta and even in the latest book of the Avesta, written about 200-400 AD, the Vendidad. Scholars both Western and Zoroastrian have written extensively on the spread of Zoroastrianism to Armenia, Central Asia, and as far east as China; other historical texts and archaeological studies prove that Zoroastrianism had spread, through Persian traders, as far west as Asia Minor, Syria, and possibly even Eastern Europe. In lands bordering Iran, many people became Zoroastrians who were not of Indo-Iranian ethnicity. Even after the Islamic conquest, Zoroastrianism was still open to converts, especially servants in Zoroastrian homes who were adopted into the faith by their employers. The strict ban on conversion only dates from the nineteenth century AD.

The textual and historical evidence provide a strong and convincing argument for conversion to Zoroastrianism. The traditionalists, faced with Zarathushtra's clear references to converting all people, including non-Indo-Iranians, can only respond with the counter-argument that it is the TEACHINGS and IDEASof the Prophet that are intended for the whole world, while the RELIGION and its rituals belong only to the Indo-Iranian people. In other words, everyone can be inspired by Zarathushtra's holy words, but only pure-bred Indo-Iranians can practice the actual religion of Zarathushtra. Another variant of this argument is that Zarathushtra's references to a "universal" conversion only refer to a MORAL conversion from wrong-doing to right action, rather than a RELIGIOUS conversion from one faith to another. The more extreme traditionalists discount any conclusions or evidence provided by Western scholarship, regarding all Western interpretations of the Avesta scriptures as misguided, irreligious, and devoid of spiritual insight. Thus the Gathas, when considered as a separate text, are regarded by these traditionalists as a scholarly reconstruction, imposed by Western colonialists. For these extreme traditionalists, the entire Avesta, not just the Gathas, are the words of the Prophet, given by God, and its interpretation must be done in a spiritual and sometimes mystical fashion.

The "liberal" Zoroastrians are inspired by the text of the Gathas, which they regard as the only surviving words of the Prophet, and the primary text of the faith. They view Zarathushtra as a great innovator, rather than a reformer of a previous tradition. In the Gathas there is no mention of elaborate mythology, sacred time-schedules, coming Messiahs, Indo-Iranian exclusivity, priestly laws, or strict religious and ritual practices. The tone of the Gathas is philosophical, abstract, and ethical. The rituals, myths, and practices that the traditionalists are so intent on keeping, say the liberals, were DISCONTINUED by Zarathushtra, who never wanted them. It was only later that these religious and social elements were re-introduced into the religion. Therefore, say the reformers, there should be no objection to converting to Zoroastrianism, because the exclusive religious privileges of the Indo-Iranian people were never intended by Zarathushtra.

http://www.pyracantha.com/Z/convertz.html
 
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Well i have not read the works of Hamid Dabashi. My remarks are based on the frequent deep interactions with fellow Iranians. The society has already evolved into pan nationalistic way breaking the shackles of religious identity over national identity. Once the totalitarian regime loses out, we all can see what is right and what is wrong.

Things apart, my observation is that Islam followed there is quite different from the Arabian peninsula plus South east Asia. Almost allthe muslims in middle east and south east asia, when they utter the name of the prophet they prefix it by "pbuh". But in iran, all the people i have met refer to the prophet by his name alone. Civilization and culture cannot be wiped out that easily how hard on try.
That was the analysis by Hamid Dabashi who is an Iranian scholar. Again, he is not talking about Iranian society at large, but a small elitist urban elite who also tend to be the most vocal anti-Muslim crowd.

I, too, have known many, many Iranians and did not find them to be at all racist, but they were also not rabidly obsessed with religion either.

My comment was about the small elitist minority that Dabashi describes. If you keep the radar on, you can catch glimpses of it with one or two Iranian posters even here.
 
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Iran - Reversion to Zoroastrianism

Iran's Islamic leaders ''have tried for centuries to sweep away all trace of Zoroastrianism," said Sohrab Yazdi, a community leader in Yazd, where most of Iran's estimated 30,000 Zoroastrians live.

Pointing to the bright dome of the Jame mosque in the city's center, Yazdi said it was built over a destroyed ''fire" temple[Hagia Sophia or Masjid al-Babri, anyone?], as Zoroastrian places of worship are called because of the sacred fire that burns perpetually within.

But from outside the shattered splendor of Persepolis, the ancient capital of Persia, Bahram Agaheri, a Muslim teacher, talked in elegiac rhythms about the desire of many Iranians to rediscover the faith of their forefathers.

''People are tired of the mullahs," Agaheri said, referring to the country's religious leaders. ''If we were allowed to convert, millions would convert to Zoroastrianism. I challenge the government to allow conversion out of Islam for even one day."

But he is unlikely to see that day. Islam bans its adherents from converting, and a Muslim who renounces his faith can face a death sentence.

Caught between a religion that will not allow them out and one that will not let them in, many Iranians are thought to practice Zoroastrianism in secret.

There is also evidence that people in Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, and some Kurdish regions are rediscovering their Zoroastrian and Persian roots.

A secularized version of Nowruz, the traditional Zoroastrian New Year, is increasingly being celebrated across the region.

These tremors of change excite many Zoroastrians, who despite their demographers' troubling estimates, think their religion is poised to witness a renaissance. But such change also makes many uncomfortable.

The residents of Bukhara became Muslims. But they renounced [Islam] each time the Arabs turned back. Qutayba b. Muslim made them Muslim three times, [but] they renounced [Islam ] again and became nonbelievers. The fourth time, Qutayba waged war, seized the city, and established Islam after considerable strife....They espoused Islam overtly but practiced idolatry in secret.
 
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Despite Shāhs and Mollās: Minority Sociopolitics in Premodern and Modern Iran

by Jamsheed K. Choksy

For all those who would like to truly understand Zoroastrianism and its history both in pre-modern and modern Iran as well as in India and around the world today, the conflicts and wars, the clash of faiths, the racial hatred, the bigotry and the persecution, as well as the renaissance, this is the article to read!

This article presents a fascinating overview of the changing political, economic, demographic, social, and religious situations of Iran’s Zoroastrian minority from the pre-modern era to the present. In particular, it shows how the fortunes of the minority depended largely upon the attitudes of the different regimes under which they lived. It also investigates the involvement of the Parsis from India – and by extension, of the British Raj – in improving Iran’s Zoroastrians’ lives. The author finally sheds some light on the very interesting phenomenon of religious revivalism among Zoroastrians in the wake of the Iranian Revolution, which, he suggests, mirrors the increase of religious fervor among Iran’s Muslims.

This article first appeared in Journal of Asian History, vol. 40, pt. 2 (2006), pp. 129-184, © Otto Harrassowitz Publishers.

Despite Sh

PDF format here:

http://www.religionsgateway.com/sites/default/files/uploads/files/Despite shahs and mollas.pdf
 
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One doubt Doc! Are there any practice of parsi being getting married with their counterpart in Iran. In that case would the off spring be considered a parsi?
 
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One doubt Doc! Are there any practice of parsi being getting married with their counterpart in Iran. In that case would the off spring be considered a parsi?

Good question. Increasingly happening. Probably in an institutionalized format soon as well pending the Avesthagen results (a 5-year multi million dollar genotyping project).

The answer for the survival of the Parsis lies in getting fresh blood from amongst the Persian Zoroastrians.

Offer them better lives compared to the impoverished way many of them are living today.

Grow our numbers and wait for Islamic Iran to implode and Persian majority to rise up and rid themselves of the mullas.

And then use the Persian Zoroastrian-Indian Parsi bridge to reach out.

I can tell you today, that the biggest obstacle will not be acceptance or genetics or faith or the calendars etc. - it will be LANGUAGE.

I see immense resistance to the Parsi Zoroastrian community accepting what is in effect the Arabic script.

And vice versa for the Persians in accepting Gujarati.

That is why I wanted Shahin to tell me, what was the script of Persian before the Arabs came?

Can that be revived as the bridge?

Perso-Arabic is still Arabic .....
 
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Thats great! Then the best way to prevent the extinction of parsis is to encourage marraige with the iranians.

I heard that there was a pahlavi script used in anceint iran.
Good question. Increasingly happening. Probably in an institutionalized format soon as well pending the Avesthagen results (a 5-year multi million dollar genotyping project).

The answer for the survival of the Parsis lies in getting fresh blood from amongst the Persian Zoroastrians.

Offer them better lives compared to the impoverished way many of them are living today.

Grow our numbers and wait for Islamic Iran to implode and Persian majority to rise up and rid themselves of the mullas.

And then use the Persian Zoroastrian-Indian Parsi bridge to reach out.

I can tell you today, that the biggest obstacle will not be acceptance or genetics or faith or the calendars etc. - it will be LANGUAGE.

I see immense resistance to the Parsi Zoroastrian community accepting what is in effect the Arabic script.

And vice versa for the Persians in accepting Gujarati.

That is why I wanted Shahin to tell me, what was the script of Persian before the Arabs came?

Can that be revived as the bridge?

Perso-Arabic is still Arabic .....

Thats great! Then the best way to prevent the extinction of parsis is to encourage marraige with the iranians.

I heard that there was a pahlavi script used in anceint iran.
Good question. Increasingly happening. Probably in an institutionalized format soon as well pending the Avesthagen results (a 5-year multi million dollar genotyping project).

The answer for the survival of the Parsis lies in getting fresh blood from amongst the Persian Zoroastrians.

Offer them better lives compared to the impoverished way many of them are living today.

Grow our numbers and wait for Islamic Iran to implode and Persian majority to rise up and rid themselves of the mullas.

And then use the Persian Zoroastrian-Indian Parsi bridge to reach out.

I can tell you today, that the biggest obstacle will not be acceptance or genetics or faith or the calendars etc. - it will be LANGUAGE.

I see immense resistance to the Parsi Zoroastrian community accepting what is in effect the Arabic script.

And vice versa for the Persians in accepting Gujarati.

That is why I wanted Shahin to tell me, what was the script of Persian before the Arabs came?

Can that be revived as the bridge?

Perso-Arabic is still Arabic .....
 
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Things apart, my observation is that Islam followed there is quite different from the Arabian peninsula plus South east Asia. Almost allthe muslims in middle east and south east asia, when they utter the name of the prophet they prefix it by "pbuh". But in iran, all the people i have met refer to the prophet by his name alone. Civilization and culture cannot be wiped out that easily how hard on try.

This thread is not about Islam, so I will be brief. Yes, as a Shia, I can tell you that Shia Islam is much more "permissive" in many ways (not so in others). Sunnis in general, and Arabs in particular, are much more strict about observances, especially saying five prayers on time every day, etc.

Anyway, the only reason I commented in this thread was to dispel some of the myths being propounded, especially since Iran or Muslims were never part of the original topic in the first place. Given the harsh regime of the mullahs, it is expected that people will say things, out of frustration, about millions of people doing this or that. The reality, however, is that we see no evidence of such extreme trends in the expat Iranian community free of the mullah's rules. Once free of the repressive regime, people tend to calm down.
 
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