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India’s Quiet Counter-China Strategy

You say with a straight face that Indian media is less concerned with China than vice versa, with your everyday reports of "border incursion" "staple visa" "the need to increase defence against China" etc etc.
Indian media reports what happens, sometimes exaggerating the news bits for more TRP ratings. I did say, still better than spewing only party propaganda and censored bits and pieces of so called information.
I'll direct you to your own defence publications (Indian defence review), because you can count yourself how many of the articles there are about China. Or you can just check the number of threads about China started by Indians and the number of threads started by Chinese members about India.
Indian Defence Review

Really I hope and pray all of India's generals are vain and incapable of objectivity as you are.
The site covers various topics. Dont delude yourself.
And this is the second time you are directly insulting/offending a member. So much for objectivity. Pathetic.
 
@CardSharp
you should not communicate then with bad mannered people...isn't that simple !
 
yeah u r right, its a classic example !!!!

of a country (in this case China) mollycoddling another country (in this case my country, Pakistan) to further its interest. When we will learn, that China is just using us to keep India engaged on the this front and nothing much.

We should stop listening to what India does or China says .... the rot is in our system ... and China wont even bother to help us out in that ... It is us who have to make our hands dirty ...

There maybe facts in what you state, however, I presume this is what is called realpolitik and geostrategy.

It is true that China only had kind words to say during the Indo Pak conflicts and that was about all. Be it 1965 or 1971. In fact, in 1971, the US wanted China to open the second front but it never did. The US assured that should USSR attack China, the US would intervene.
1971 War: How the US tried to corner India

Notwithstanding, from purely from the geostrategic point of view, the Pakistan China axis against India is a natural corollary.


I would not say that China is better at curbing corruption, more like China has had effective leadership and planning in-spite of corruption while India continues to allow corruption to affect the important steps in its development.

That is the charm of the workings that make totalitarian regimes successful in nation building at the expense of the freedom of its people. USSR and China re good examples of how totalitarian regimes can raise impoverished and illiterate nations to be shining beacons, but at the expense of freedom as individuals.

On the other hand, the freedom of the individual is axiomatic but development is chaotic and wayward.

Take Pakistan itself. It is a democracy and it has so many problems. Had it been a totalitarian regime, religion would have been controlled along the straight and narrow and there would be no Taliban gnawing at Pakistan's innards. And if it attempted to raise its ugly head, it would have been brutally nipped in the bud as China did to the Tibetans and to the Muslim Uyghurs of East Turkmenistan.

Well said. Instead, I should have said that China is honored to have great leadership thus allowing us to deal with corruption better.

As above.

Even Stalin was a great leader and so was Mao. They knew how to control the population to toe their agenda.

The great work of Stalin is well known and so is that of Mao. His excellent work in the Great Leap Forward and the Cultural Revolution do require mention.

I made an Interesting observation. Since Islam has such great importance in Pakistan, many pakistanis assume that India also places equal importance in hinduism. But indians have largely figured out the trick to seperate relegion and governance. I assume that is the reason for its economic performance. using this argument one can see how a "godless" china achieved 10% growth.

there's more. The best of the best pakistanis join the army, while indian defence organizations get the leftovers as the good ones opt for lucrative jobs .
Global Politician - Indian Army faces Massive Shortage of Officers

It is true that the Paksitan Army would have the best.

People gravitate to where the power, perks and opportunities lie.

In India, with the economic boom and the MNCs paying huge salaries, the govt cannot pay the same.

Therefore, the people gravitate where there is the gravy train and not dangers to life and limb and a poor lifestyle!
 
Hey I'm just a punk kid yet he's the retired general that's posting the equivalent of Indian toilet articles from a Japanese website to suit his arguments.

Could have called him out on poor sources instead of ad hominem attacks. I have been a target several times. But, hey atleast he doesnt "cherry pick" passages to suit his agenda or pov.
 
Indian media reports what happens, sometimes exaggerating the news bits for more TRP ratings. I did say, still better than spewing only party propaganda and censored bits and pieces of so called information.

Veracity or "reporting what happens" was not the point of contention, the argument was over the relative volume of articles about the other country. Don't side step argument to get on your soapbox.

The site covers various topics. Dont delude yourself.
And this is the second time you are directly insulting/offending a member. So much for objectivity. Pathetic.

Insults is not related objectivity. You seem to have trouble separating concepts in your mind and in your arguments.
 
Could have called him out on poor sources instead of ad hominem attacks. I have been a target several times. But, hey atleast he doesnt "cherry pick" passages to suit his agenda or pov.

I've made a response in that thread. You can read what I wrote and answer there if you'd like. I'd happily thrash the issue out.
 
That is the charm of the workings that make totalitarian regimes successful in nation building at the expense of the freedom of its people. USSR and China re good examples of how totalitarian regimes can raise impoverished and illiterate nations to be shining beacons, but at the expense of freedom as individuals.

On the other hand, the freedom of the individual is axiomatic but development is chaotic and wayward.

Take Pakistan itself. It is a democracy and it has so many problems. Had it been a totalitarian regime, religion would have been controlled along the straight and narrow and there would be no Taliban gnawing at Pakistan's innards. And if it attempted to raise its ugly head, it would have been brutally nipped in the bud as China did to the Tibetans and to the Muslim Uyghurs of East Turkmenistan.

A lecture on political science from you. No thanks, I have educated and informed professors for that.
 
I've made a response in that thread. You can read what I wrote and answer there if you'd like. I'd happily thrash the issue out.

I did, didnt think it deserved more attention. I agree that I am not an expert and did mention that. I am in awe of Joe's posts and knowledge. His attention to minute details is very exhausting, but people tend to overlook or miss the big picture when reading his posts. That was what I was pointing out. And I got my point across.

Veracity or "reporting what happens" was not the point of contention, the argument was over the relative volume of articles about the other country. Don't side step argument to get on your soapbox.
You forget the fact that there are mushrooming news/media outlets in the country. Everyone is hungry for expanding their viewership/ratings. So any small piece of news is exaggerated, and put out by many such outlets. Thats where you get confused with volume.
Insults is not related objectivity. You seem to have trouble separating concepts in your mind and in your arguments.
I didnt co-relate insults with objectivity. You seem to have a problem comprehending simple statements or implied meanings, (like your singular take on the comment "Chinese Communist leaders were amenable to gentlemanly persuasion" where there could be/is more than one interpretation to my comment and I shall not clarify, for, you already soiled it.)

"So much for Objectivity" reflects "intent upon or dealing with things external to the mind rather than with thoughts or feelings, as a person or a book."
OR
"Objectivity is a significant principle of journalistic professionalism. Journalistic objectivity can refer to fairness, disinterestedness, factuality, and nonpartisanship, but most often encompasses all of these qualities."

Take your pick.
 
Oh man how did I miss this gem of self-delusion.

Open up your eyes now, tell me what you see.


You say with a straight face that Indian media is less concerned with China than vice versa, with your everyday reports of "border incursion" "staple visa" "the need to increase defence against China" etc etc.

I'll direct you to your own defence publications (Indian defence review), because you can count yourself how many of the articles there are about China. Or you can just check the number of threads about China started by Indians and the number of threads started by Chinese members about India.

Indian Defence Review

Really I hope and pray all of India's generals are vain and incapable of objectivity as you are.

It is so difficult that people cannot fathom the obvious since it has not been spoonfed to them by their Govt.

Border incursion, stapled visas et all happens in India.

One does not have to learn of it from China by sitting in China.

The other aspect you will never understand is what is free speech and free media. And that is why you find IDF as your source of what India thinks about China and its activities. Bharat Varma, the editor, cannot be gagged in India since it is a democracy. However, the discerning Indian reader would know by now to take his articles for what its worth. He is prone to interpret issue to his pet vibes and his pet vibe is China. That he is right or wrong is a moot point and many, including me, do not give much credence to his opinions. But he is entitled to his as per our norms of freedom of the press and media.

I don't think any Indian or Indian military personnel are vain. One is taught to be pragmatic because vanity is the first step towards disaster.

Why is it that Indians have such a problem with both Chinese and Pakistanis? :D

Guess!

It is written on the wall for all to see.

Why is it that some Chinese and Pakistani have a problem with India and Indians?

Hey I'm just a punk kid yet he's the retired general that's posting the equivalent of Indian toilet articles from a Japanese website to suit his arguments.

Of course, what does not suit your point of view, including the Chinese Govt directives on Acquiring Good Manners and not spit, urinate in public, loud talking
are, what you claim so quaintly, 'toilet articles".
 
Be more mature, Indians! Posting stupid democracy remarks is 10x worse than us talking about Indian toilets. For one, one directly impacts the lives of millions, and the other doesn't.

I don't have a problem with sane Indians. I have a problem with far right extremists.
 
You forget the fact that there are mushrooming news/media outlets in the country. Everyone is hungry for expanding their viewership/ratings. So any small piece of news is exaggerated, and put out by many such outlets. Thats where you get confused with volume.

Again we are using relative volume of coverage, it doesn't matter what the nature of either news environment is.

The site covers various topics. Dont delude yourself.
And this is the second time you are directly insulting/offending a member. So much for objectivity. Pathetic.

One statement following the other reads, you are relating the two.

(like your singular take on the comment "Chinese Communist leaders were amenable to gentlemanly persuasion" where there could be/is more than one interpretation to my comment and I shall not clarify for you already soiled it.)

I've soiled nothing, defend your statement.
 
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