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India, Russia to sign S-400 missile deal this week: Kremlin

How's Indians version different then Chinese version. I suspect the difference are slight. China knows what s 400 is capable of. Indians have bought a system that's only effective against Pakistan. Congratulations

Also am I correct to say Turkey will buy system. So it's not gonna be mythical weapon, if Pakistan allies have it. Ksa and Qatar are rumoured to buy it too.
 
How's Indians version different then Chinese version. I suspect the difference are slight. China knows what s 400 is capable of. Indians have bought a system that's only effective against Pakistan. Congratulations

Also am I correct to say Turkey will buy system. So it's not gonna be mythical weapon, if Pakistan allies have it. Ksa and Qatar are rumoured to buy it too.
And, Turkey has also deployed the deterrent - ASELSAN KORAL EW system - in the Syrian border since 2015. It was in response to the Russian initiative to deploy S-400 following the Turkey-Russia crisis over the downed a/c. Even the US folks have admitted that it's a very powerful and capable system, and it's much above their expectations!!! Five such systems have been delivered to the TuAF for the deployment at the field after more than a thousand tests in the real war-like situation with a success rate above expectations. I am pretty sure Pak folks are having a thorough look at this system...

Pak security is also Turkey's security - Prof. Dr. Ahmet Davut'olu, former Turkish PM and FM

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India’s CCS clears procurement of five S-400 air-defence missile systems
India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) 'quietly' cleared on 26 September the procurement of five Almaz-Antei S-400 Triumf self-propelled surface-to-air (SAM) missile systems for the Indian Air Force (IAF) for USD5.5 billion.

Disregarding the threat of the United States imposing sanctions on countries acquiring Russian-made defence equipment, the CCS, which is headed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, approved the acquisition shortly before President Vladimir Putin was scheduled to arrive in New Delhi on 5 October for the 19th annual Indo-Russian summit.

The proposed deal for about 30 launchers and more than 6,000 missiles - delivery of which is expected to begin 36 months after the contract is signed - would, at Russian insistence, be concluded without the Ministry of Defence's (MoD's) mandatory 30% offset liability of the overall contract value.

Senior Russian officials have pointed out that New Delhi's insistence on offsets, in keeping with its Defence Procurement Procedure 2016, could delay the delivery of the systems by up to two years and increase costs.

"As far as I have heard, there is no offset package for the programme. It is a strategic project and is very important for the two countries," Viktor Klavov, the director for International Co-operation and Regional Policy at Russia's Rostec defence industrial holding company, had told the Economic Times newspaper on 11 July, adding that the MoD should not "play around" with some offset packages.

In July the MoD's Defence Acquisition Council had approved the S-400 procurement and signed an inter-governmental agreement for the systems in October amid uncertainty prompted by the threat of US sanctions under the Countering America's Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA), which Washington signed into law in August 2017.

https://www.janes.com/article/83477...ent-of-five-s-400-air-defence-missile-systems

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India's Cabinet Committee on Security (CCS) 'quietly' cleared on 26 September the procurement of five Almaz-Antei S-400 Triumf self-propelled surface-to-air (SAM) missile systems for the Indian Air Force (IAF) for USD5.5 billion.


The proposed deal for about 30 launchers and more than 6,000 missiles .


And, Turkey has also deployed the deterrent - ASELSAN KORAL EW system - in the Syrian border since 2015. It was in response to the Russian initiative to deploy S-400 following the Turkey-Russia crisis over the downed a/c. Even the US folks have admitted that it's a very powerful and capable system, and it's much above their expectations!!!

India also has EW systems and making even more elaborate systems .So what is the big deal


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How's Indians version different then Chinese version. I suspect the difference are slight. China knows what s 400 is capable of. Indians have bought a system that's only effective against Pakistan. Congratulations

No This was bought for deterrence against PLAAF ( China ) .PAF just became an unwiiting collateral damage.
 
more burden on pak economy by india fancy defence items
 
more burden on pak economy by india fancy defence items

No worries for Pak,

They are getting 10 billion from saudis, 15-20 billion from germany, 100 billion from china, 10 billion from russia and 10 billion from world bank, and disclosed billions from kuwait. Plus, 270 billion of international money that has moved out of pakistan.

By the end of the year, pakistan will be a 1 trillion USD economy.
 
No worries for Pak,

They are getting 10 billion from saudis, 15-20 billion from germany, 100 billion from china, 10 billion from russia and 10 billion from world bank, and disclosed billions from kuwait. Plus, 270 billion of international money that has moved out of pakistan.

By the end of the year, pakistan will be a 1 trillion USD economy.
is this sarcastic ?? any source to prove your claim ??
 
They were all saying India will not get it because we are a puppet of US. But we are getting it. Hence the burn

Bullshit. Most voices who were calling India a US puppet were not Chinese. Because you as an individual hate Chinese for your personal reasons, does not mean the stuff you make up are true.

"They" were not "all" saying anything on this S-400 purchase.
 
Unfortunately for all of us SAMs are easy enough to defeat, even S-400 or whatever latest greatest SAM. US already mass producing those tiny drones to confuse and present huge numbers of targets. One anti-S400 will probably be able to confuse and simulate or offer hundreds of potential targets for S-400. For SAMs to defeat this new SEAD development, SAMs need better computers and machine learning assistance to stand a chance.
 
The plaaf has similar system. How is it gonna deter, when they know the system inside out

Know the system inside out are you high ?? .
China choose this system because it is better than anything they have got currently. This is not a fighter aircraft you don't know the system inside out . S-400 will put a lot of constraints on enemy aircrafts and missiles on Indian airspace.

You must understand India may be ordering 6000 interceptor missiles. It will be devastating for enemy airforce .

Unfortunately for all of us SAMs are easy enough to defeat, even S-400 or whatever latest greatest SAM. US already mass producing those tiny drones to confuse and present huge numbers of targets. One anti-S400 will probably be able to confuse and simulate or offer hundreds of potential targets for S-400. For SAMs to defeat this new SEAD development, SAMs need better computers and machine learning assistance to stand a chance.

You do know SAMs are not stand alone systems . India will have layered defence system . SAMs will take cues from other radars and ELINT(Electronic intelligence system). They all will become a part of 1 giant nation wide system.
S-400 is just going to be a small albiet important part of Indian air defence systems.
There will be drones than will be helping SAMs in taking cues. Currently they are eneough but more advanced radars and ELINT systems will be built .
 
The plaaf has similar system. How is it gonna deter, when they know the system inside out?

If they knew the systems inside out, they would be building it, NOT buying it wholesale. Apply your mind 69.


Unfortunately for all of us SAMs are easy enough to defeat, even S-400 or whatever latest greatest SAM. US already mass producing those tiny drones to confuse and present huge numbers of targets. One anti-S400 will probably be able to confuse and simulate or offer hundreds of potential targets for S-400. For SAMs to defeat this new SEAD development, SAMs need better computers and machine learning assistance to stand a chance.

Should tell it to your own govt. They bought 12 (?) of these systems. Anyway all countries in potential conflict situations are giving a serious thoughts to above scenario covering all possible ways. AI included.
 
No worries for Pak,

They are getting 10 billion from saudis, 15-20 billion from germany, 100 billion from china, 10 billion from russia and 10 billion from world bank, and disclosed billions from kuwait. Plus, 270 billion of international money that has moved out of pakistan.

By the end of the year, pakistan will be a 1 trillion USD economy.

You forgot to add that few days back they auctioned few cars and sold 8 buffalos.
 
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