India, Russia ink S-400 missile system deal

[Osiris]

Once the system becomes operational, fly a drone every now and then into the Indian territory.

But that being aside, haven't the Indians always bought latest toys and still failed to man up?

All the S-400 in the world cannot buy you balls.

India gets he latest tech from Russia, Pakistan gets it from China.

As far as Rafael is concerned, in the past the the Indians had bought the latest jets of that time.

As long as this S-400 deal gets Modi reelected, it is good in my books.

1. And India will launch a fighter and bring down the slow moving drone. Even if were a swarm drones, same tactics will be employed.
No seasoned military will fall for such amateur stuff.
AND S400 just one of the many air defence systems India possesses.India aslo has Akash, Spyder, Barak 8, AAD and PDV.

2. Actually no - In previous wars, India had quantitive superiority, where as Pakistan armed with latest western weapons had the qualitative superiority, but still didn't manage to win even a single war against India. For last two decades or so, India has both qualitative and quantitive superiority.

3. Thats your opinion but we would rather have brains than balls, because those who think with their balls, end up making enemies 7 times there size and loosing half their country.

 

[AUz]

get over that fact that muslim ruled India...Cholas ruled indonesia, lanka and malaysia as well at this time. Muslims arent ruling India today, Indians are.

No. indians aren't ruling "india"

indians are ruling what remains of india. There is a big difference

indians rule bastardized, broken, reduced version of india with significantly reduced strategic importance in the geopolitical realm (thanks to establishment of Pakistan and cutting-off of india from central Asia and beyond completely via long-established land routes.

 

[Osiris]

S-400 EASILY OVERWHELMED BY CM LIKE BABUR ,MRLS, UAV, UACV AND SUISIDE DRONE LIKE ISRAELI HARPY @Storm Force

Firstly, your slow moving unarmed drones will be shot down IAF fighters, well before they can reach any S400 site.(not that you will know the location of these mobile SAMs)

Considering, one S400 battery can launch and guide 72 missiles at the same time. You must launch more that simultaneously to overwhelm S400.

If you would use all your cruise missile, ballistic missiles stocks to overwhelm a single S400 system, what are you going to use against Indian airbases, cities and other strategic targets.

Whereas Indian missiles and aircrafts will be targeting Pakistani targets with impunity, while PAF remains grounded waiting for S400 to neutralized.

 

[Foxtrot Delta]

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These fanboys are deep in birather mulk love.they think chinese are fools to buy s400 n reveal secrets to them. So kiddish

S-400 war purchased for reverse engineering , learning from it just like chinese did with s-300 back in the day and now hq-9 is considered even better than s-300s best variant because of RnD in china. It was also purchased to research and gather data on how it fares against j-20, j-31 and J-40 stealth aircraft plus up coming hyper sonic cruise missiles being marketed by china in 2019.
Initially order was much smaller but russians said no to such a small order. So a bigger order was placed since every country china might have to fight in near future could potentially purchase s400 its a shield.chinese need to find its weakness and then improve on it, for their own initial HQ-20 experimental version of S-400.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Firstly, your slow moving unarmed drones will be shot down IAF fighters, well before they can reach any S400 site.(not that you will know the location of these mobile SAMs)

Considering, one S400 battery can launch and guide 72 missiles at the same time. You must launch more that simultaneously to overwhelm S400.

If you would use all your cruise missile, ballistic missiles stocks to overwhelm a single S400 system, what are you going to use against Indian airbases, cities and other strategic targets.

Whereas Indian missiles and aircrafts will be targeting Pakistani targets with impunity, while PAF remains grounded waiting for S400 to neutralized.

We have multiple options like Jamming and Single Ababeel is enough for multiple S-400, yeah you're S-400 is invincible to all Pakistani weapons, whereas you're disable Chinese S-400 in no time @Osiris

OK we are defenseless in the front of your mighty/invincible S-400, now happy @Osiris

GAY SHUPA DUPA POWA HIND OF THE UNIVERSE @Osiris

 

[delta2]

1. And India will launch a fighter and bring down the slow moving drone. Even if were a swarm drones, same tactics will be employed.
No seasoned military will fall for such amateur stuff.
AND S400 just one of the many air defence systems India possesses.India aslo has Akash, Spyder, Barak 8, AAD and PDV.

2. Actually no - In previous wars, India had quantitive superiority, where as Pakistan armed with latest western weapons had the qualitative superiority, but still didn't manage to win even a single war against India. For last two decades or so, India has both qualitative and quantitive superiority.

3. Thats your opinion but we would rather have brains than balls, because those who think with their balls, end up making enemies 7 times there size and loosing half their country.

Lol what are you smoking buddy! The USSR handed to India everything they asked for and needed. They even told you all India had to do was to call them from over the mountains and they would come running to your help in Kashmir.

India always had access to and possession of latest military weapons, courtesy of the Russians. Or are you going to pretend five years from now that the S-400 wasrnt that latest?

Lol brains? What brains? On average an Indian has a lower IQ than a Pakistani.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Ohh how things have come a full circle. 5 decades back Ayub Khan said the same about Americans.
You people are never gonna learn.

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Whatever you believe this is not 1950,this is 2018, and he was a dictator not representative of the people of Pakistan at that time,and China is not like USA who always want to backstabber to Pakistan @Osiris

@waz @The Eagle @Horus there are too many threads running on the same topic please merge, Thanks

 

[Osiris]

We have multiple options like Jamming and Single Ababeel is enough for multiple S-400, yeah you're S-400 is invincible to all Pakistani weapons, whereas you're disable Chinese S-400 in no time @Osiris

OK we are defenseless in the front of your mighty/invincible S-400, now happy @Osiris

GAY SHUPA DUPA POWA HIND OF THE UNIVERSE @Osiris

Jamming S400, not even the Chinese (who have actually bought the system) will get frequencies, S400 radar operates on. What frequencies are you gonna jam?

Secondly with what are you gonna jam? You do not have any significant ELNIT aircrafts. As soon as any aircrafts takes off from anywhere Pakistan, it will detected by S400 radars. With 400 Km Range 40N6 missile will short work of any ELNIT aircraft, much before the ELNIT aircraft is with in Radar jamming range.

As far Ababeel missile is concerned, you would extremely stupid to arm a supposedly MIRV ballistic missile which has low accuracy(as all ballistic missile do) with a conventional warhead to target a S400 truck. A single S400 system has dozens of such vehicles widely placed. We can but hope, you are that stupid.

Lol what are you smoking buddy! The USSR handed to India everything they asked for and needed. They even told you all India had to do was to call them from over the mountains and they would come running to your help in Kashmir.

India always had access to and possession of latest military weapons, courtesy of the Russians. Or are you going to pretend five years from now that the S-400 wasrnt that latest?

Lol brains? What brains? On average an Indian has a lower IQ than a Pakistani.

Soviet weapons were always technological inferior to western weapons, not just in cold war, but even in WW2 and before. It is partly due to late industrial revolution in Russia. That is why they had developed tactics, to use overwhelming number to defeat western armies in Europe.

 

[Tom M]

Here is an example of Russian radar target acquisition ranges compared with target radar cross section:

For reference, the F-35 has an estimated frontal radar cross section of about 0.005 m2, while the F-22 has 0.0001 m2, according to GlobalSecurity.org; for reference, an insect is about 0.001 m2 on a radar. These are likely estimates/assessments, as actual data tends to be highly secretive.

So while the S-400 could probably detect the system, this would likely be at a relatively close range. One of the most important air superiority missions flown by the United States is “SEAD”, or Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses. One of the primary SEAD weapons is the AGM-88 HARM (“High-speed Anti-Radiation Missile”) missile, which locks onto active radars on the ground. Theoretically you could turn off your radar and the HARM wouldn’t be able to track you anymore, but later versions of the HARM missile have countermeasures to take that into account.

The latest version of the HARM is the AGM-88E AARM-ER (“Advanced Anti-Radiation Missile, Extended Range”), which fits in the internal bays of the F-35 (and therefore, the F-35 would maintain its stealthy nature). The missile itself has an operational range of around 300 km due to a new motor that doubles the range from previous versions. Unfortunately, I’m not aware of how far away the missile could detect a radar and obtain a lock. The F-35’s own passive sensors (passive radar + EODAS/SAIRST) could also detect a radar and transmit its location to the missile, but again, I’m not sure of the max detection range of these systems, as they are passive, not active, systems.

So, in summary, the U.S.’s likely primary method to achieve air superiority in an environment where S-400’s are known to be deployed will likely involve extensive use of stealth fighters (particularly the F-35, as it can internally hold SEAD-capable HARM missiles; the F-22 cannot internally carry these). How effective these things are at that role is something that is reserved for expert military analysts and assessments, using data, intelligence, and information that common people like me do not have access to.

One thing is likely for certain: any environment with the S-400 will be highly dangerous for legacy 4th and 4.5th generation planes used for SEAD. The U.S. has historically relied on the F/A-18 Hornet, particularly the E/F Super Hornet variants (Navy), and the F-16 Fighting Falcon (Air Force) for these purposes. These planes have larger radar cross sections (~1 m2 for the F/A-18; ~1.2 m2 for the F-16C), so they’d be detected from further away, certainly enough to rule these aircraft out when it comes to SEAD against S-400 and the future S-500.

(This is part of why I’m appalled Trump has asked Boeing to offer the F/A-18E/F Advanced Super Hornet as a competition to the F-35. The Advanced Super Hornet, while certainly better than previous Super Hornet and Hornet variants, will never be as low observable as the F-35. While it can perform many functions that are currently needed, what happens when the U.S. goes to war against a country equipped with newer technology that isn’t from the Cold War? The F-35, all absurd numbers of them that the U.S. wants to build, are absolutely essential for American military capability for the next few decades. The entirety of the U.S. doctrine relies on first establishing aerial supremacy, and SEAD is one of the fundamental aspects of doing so. I firmly hope that Trump’s message to Boeing is solely intended to make Lockheed Martin get its act together on the F-35, and not for the purpose of actually supplanting planned F-35’s with F/A-18’s. They’ve already cut a lot of planned F-22’s in favor of the cheaper F-35; don’t cut more stealth fighters that are deemed essential for future U.S. military capability.)

In conclusion, stealth fighters, in addition to electronic warfare techniques, cruise missiles launched from ships, etc. are likely to form the backbone of the future American forces’ defense against systems like the S-400 and S-500.

I just wonder, how is this gonna help anyone other than U.S.A or Israel (if ever they acquire the Aforementioned Missiles)?? Pakistan certainly is never gonna get these systems, nor can afford them in the near to medium term given the current state of your economy.

 

[Ultima Thule]

Jamming S400, not even the Chinese (who have actually bought the system) will get frequencies, S400 radar operates on. What frequencies are you gonna jam?

Secondly with what are you gonna jam? You do not have any significant ELNIT aircrafts. As soon as any aircrafts takes off from anywhere Pakistan, it will detected by S400 radars. With 400 Km Range 40N6 missile will short work of any ELNIT aircraft, much before the ELNIT aircraft is with in Radar jamming range.

As far Ababeel missile is concerned, you would extremely stupid to arm a supposedly MIRV ballistic missile which has low accuracy(as all ballistic missile do) with a conventional warhead to target a S400 truck. A single S400 system has dozens of such vehicles widely placed. We can but hope, you are that stupid.

Yeah wee have jamming aircraft, if china allows we will examine their S-400 and we also ground based jamming system at the border, and against low level UAV UACV, CM S-400 is much lees effective than SRBM/fighter jets @Osiris

Oh genius ! i'm talking about ababeel equipped with nuke warheads with MIRV, even conventional warheads, individual warheads are terminally guided so this is not a big problem for ababeel @Osiris

 

[925boy]

India gets to spend its own money on s400 in exchange for bowing to U.S line on iran

India gets to spend its own money on s400 in exchange for using it to deter/pressure Pakistan and CHina, 2 countries US wants to put in check.

Even USA,won't **** with Indian desires

India is a major power and rising very quickly

India will get it's own way always

I agree, but more because US sees that its against its interests to have China and INdia both against it. US is trying to form a coalition to corner China especially(Just like it is organizing arab NATO to corner Iran).India is a critical piece to that strategy, but India probably knows it and wont "sell" its help for free or cheap. THis is capitalism, everything has a $ value.

 

[Tom M]

India gets to spend its own money on s400 in exchange for using it to deter/pressure Pakistan and CHina, 2 countries US wants to put in check.

Of-course, this is a classics example of Win-Win for both India and USA.

 

[SorryNotSorry]

Lol what are you smoking buddy! The USSR handed to India everything they asked for and needed. They even told you all India had to do was to call them from over the mountains and they would come running to your help in Kashmir.

India always had access to and possession of latest military weapons, courtesy of the Russians. Or are you going to pretend five years from now that the S-400 wasrnt that latest?

Lol brains? What brains? On average an Indian has a lower IQ than a Pakistani.

Go home. You’re not making sense.

 

[delta2]

It is better if the USA doesn't say anything about this deal and doesn't sanction India in anyway. What matters the most is that the USA help Modi get reelected.

 

[delta2]

Go home. You’re not making sense.

Right back at you.