India running terror camps for Baloch youths: Pakistan

[afriend]

You know we Pakistanis too wonder why isnt the eivdence shared with the UN or highlighted the way India does it everytime no matter Pakistan involved or not? but then again we believe there is a very good reason for GOP not to do so and that reason is the US which tells the GOP to stay quiet(aid factor), we are discussing the issue with the Indians and we will convince them to back off. You cant deny the fact that alot happens through back doors in Indian Pakistan scenario because of the complexities involved and because of the countries like US present in the region.
But that does not mean that India isnt involved or Pakistan does not have the proofs after all the Pakistani agencies are not sitting idle.

I don't think USA would be holding back Pakistan if they have shared evidence. I believe, this is the case of never ending euphoria created by Pakistan to keep the national integrity intact, by blaming India for the freedom struggle in Baluchistan, there by billittling baluchistan. It can remove any little sympathy that many pakistani's or the world might have for baluch struggle.


How come only pakistani inteligence have information and no other country in the world have. Indian prime minister took the bold step in including baluchistan in the joint statement, they could have denied them a joint statement.? All because we dont have anything to hide brother.


India have accused pakistan for kashmir, and now they want to have a reason to justify their actions in kashmir. I know the world is not taking pakistan's claims seriously and the same is smilar to the accusations made by pakistan on all the bomb attacks in pakistan, which later turned out to be by taliban.

If you tell a lie 100 times that necessarily doesnt mean that it becomes the truth.

 

[IceCold]

I don't think USA would be holding back Pakistan if they have shared evidence. I believe, this is the case of never ending euphoria created by Pakistan to keep the national integrity intact, by blaming India for the freedom struggle in Baluchistan, there by billittling baluchistan. It can remove any little sympathy that many pakistani's or the world might have for baluch struggle.


How come only pakistani inteligence have information and no other country in the world have. Indian prime minister took the bold step in including baluchistan in the joint statement, they could have denied them a joint statement.? All because we dont have anything to hide brother.


India have accused pakistan for kashmir, and now they want to have a reason to justify their actions in kashmir. I know the world is not taking pakistan's claims seriously and the same is smilar to the accusations made by pakistan on all the bomb attacks in pakistan, which later turned out to be by taliban.

If you tell a lie 100 times that necessarily doesnt mean that it becomes the truth.

There is a very good reason for the US hold Pakistan back and that is because of its own interest in the region, it wants to keep the hostility between India and Pakistan to a minimum inorder to make Pakistan focus on the western front alone. Once Pakistan goes ballistic in its campaign to prove India a terrorist state, how well do you think the move will be taken by India? The more this issue surface, the more there are chances of increased hostility something which the US cannot afford at this stage and hence the usual pressure on Pakistan to back off and we might double your aid and our aid hungry leaders gladly accept such offers i dont need to tell why and India gets away from getting exposed just like that.

 

[afriend]

There is a very good reason for the US hold Pakistan back and that is because of its own interest in the region, it wants to keep the hostility between India and Pakistan to a minimum inorder to make Pakistan focus on the western front alone. Once Pakistan goes ballistic in its campaign to prove India a terrorist state, how well do you think the move will be taken by India? The more this issue surface, the more there are chances of increased hostility something which the US cannot afford at this stage and hence the usual pressure on Pakistan to back off and we might double your aid and our aid hungry leaders gladly accept such offers i dont need to tell why and India gets away from getting exposed just like that.

We are not talking about armed conflict brother, exposing the truth and putting pressure on india by internaltional community to move away from the conflict zone will surely make pakistan job easy in dealing with terrorists. So i i think i might not be able to agree with your opinion.

So why they are not doing it.. because there is nothing in their claims..!!!

 

[pakomar]

We are not talking about armed conflict brother, exposing the truth and putting pressure on india by internaltional community to move away from the conflict zone will surely make pakistan job easy in dealing with terrorists. So i i think i might not be able to agree with your opinion.

So why they are not doing it.. because there is nothing in their claims..!!!

Do you seriously think that be putting pressure on India will stop Indian terror activate?
US who are currently operating in Afghanistan already know why India is there in Afghanistan. Since when Indians care about Afghanis.

 

[pakomar]

Indian will continue its terror activates in fata and baluchistan weather Pakistan gave proof or not.
At the end force will be used against these terrorist.

 

[graphican]

Diplomatic pressures are raised gradually. I see Pakistan is becoming more and more vocal about Indian terrorism in Baluchistan. India is being blamed for 173th time for causing terror in Baluchistan because Indian did not stop its terrorist activities when it was told for 172th time and I do not hope it would stop either. I agree its the Crusading Wars and dam US interest that has kept Pakistan soft and less vocal so far. Is Manmohan Singh student of Prep Class who doesn't understand implications of including Baluchistan in the joint statement? Manmohan has accepted half of the accusations by letting it include and remaining half will be accepted when Pakistan would point its guns back towards India. I do not see diplomacy as solution. It can only suppress their activities for some time but would not reverse them.

We know mentality of Indian leadership and they would never settle issues diplomatically. Take Kashmir as the case study. Musharaf had tried diplomacy to the maximum degree but it didn't work and would not work. India will only behave when they would understand that Pakistan is in position to cut its provinces equally and divide India in 4 parts.. only then they would quit their activities in Baluchistan. And its going to happen nevertheless, Ghazwa-e-Hind has to happen and we know the results beforehand.

 

[glomex]

Take Kashmir as the case study. Musharaf had tried diplomacy to the maximum degree but it didn't work and would not work. India will only behave when they would understand that Pakistan is in position to cut its provinces equally and divide India in 4 parts.. only then they would quit their activities in Baluchistan. And its going to happen nevertheless, Ghazwa-e-Hind has to happen and we know the results beforehand.

Come on ...you people have tried many times....

You failed with your Khalistan Movement....You are sill struggling with Kashmir.....

What are you planning to achieve... Create a world record in creating Failed Strategies....

 

[afriend]

Diplomatic pressures are raised gradually. I see Pakistan is becoming more and more vocal about Indian terrorism in Baluchistan. India is being blamed for 173th time for causing terror in Baluchistan because Indian did not stop its terrorist activities when it was told for 172th time and I do not hope it would stop either. I agree its the Crusading Wars and dam US interest that has kept Pakistan soft and less vocal so far. Is Manmohan Singh student of Prep Class who doesn't understand implications of including Baluchistan in the joint statement? Manmohan has accepted half of the accusations by letting it include and remaining half will be accepted when Pakistan would point its guns back towards India. I do not see diplomacy as solution. It can only suppress their activities for some time but would not reverse them.

We know mentality of Indian leadership and they would never settle issues diplomatically. Take Kashmir as the case study. Musharaf had tried diplomacy to the maximum degree but it didn't work and would not work. India will only behave when they would understand that Pakistan is in position to cut its provinces equally and divide India in 4 parts.. only then they would quit their activities in Baluchistan. And its going to happen nevertheless, Ghazwa-e-Hind has to happen and we know the results beforehand.

Well i think we have used both options that we have, diplomacy and war. What was the result? A fractured pakistan.

So only thing you can do is provide proof of Indian support, and rest will take its own course. Even if Pakistan manages to prove, which i believe would not happen, even then too we have a Kashmir to show for your support of terrorists, so it will never end, unless there is a concrete policy which shows in real that there is no support for terrorists wiling to cross over to India for terror, till then no body can claim to have a moral high ground, in Baluchistan.

 

[luoshan]

Diplomatic pressures are raised gradually. I see Pakistan is becoming more and more vocal about Indian terrorism in Baluchistan. India is being blamed for 173th time for causing terror in Baluchistan because Indian did not stop its terrorist activities when it was told for 172th time and I do not hope it would stop either.

Pakistan only talks the talk and no walk the talk. Where is the famous evidence/dossier which was supposed to have been handed over by Pakistan to India in Egypt?
Just by repeating same thing over and over like a broken record without proof amounts to nothing. Saying the same lies over and over again doesn't make it the truth. Simply put, you cannot prove something which doesn't exist in the first place.
My theory is that all this Pakistani propaganda about Indian involvement in Pakistan's problems is for domestic consumption only. Its becoming extremely difficult for GoP to justify the army operations in NWFP and Baluchistan. The only way it can show the people PA is fighting in these provinces are bad to Pakistan, is by showing them as being receiving support from India. So, in the eyes of most Pakistanis, the PA is not fighting their old heroes the Taliban/mujahedeen, but instead fighting Indian agents in NWFP and Baluchistan. Its a very very clever propaganda to build up domestic support for the WOT without showing that the PA is doing the bidding of the US.

 

[glomex]

Pakistan’s claims of India interfering in Balochistan have been rubbished by visiting Afghan Foreign Minister Rangin Dadfar Spanta.


Spanta is in the Indian capital to meet External Affairs Minister S. M. Krishna for discussions on issues of mutual importance to the two countries. He is also expected to undergo a medical check up.

He said there was no truth to Islamabad’s claims of India fuelling unrest in southwestern Balochistan province or that New Delhi was backing the banned Baloch Liberation Army (BLA).

“This is not a new claim by Pakistan but we need to have closer relation against international terrorism in our region. Afghanistan never allowed other countries to take some interference in domestic issue of Pakistan and India has never used Afghan territory against Pakistan. This is only an empty claim,” Spanta said.

Spanta was responding to the tabling of a statement in the Pakistan Senate last week by Rehman Malik, the Pakistan Prime Minister’s Adviser on Interior Affairs, suggesting that Islamabad has enough proof that India and Afghanistan are involved in the ongoing unrest in Balochistan.

The documents state that New Delhi is providing tactical support and was funding and training terror groups in Pakistan.

Malik also told the house that some of the militants who were arrested from Balochistan had also admitted ‘on-camera’ to being trained in Afghanistan on India’s behalf.

Malik used a used a multimedia system to show images of terrorists arrested from Balochistan and other areas.

He also presented documents to prove the nationality of the Baloch leaders who were killed recently.

“One of the three leaders, Ghulam Muhammad, was wanted by Tehran, while another, Sher Baloch, was an Iranian national,” Malik said while tabling the documents.

However, Senators said there was nothing new in the claims. One of the Senators said that he was already aware of all anti-Pakistan conspiracies hatched by India and some other neighboring countries.

Earlier, Malik had told Senate members that India is backing the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) to cause disturbance and ignite insurgency in the region.

He also suggested that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh agreed to the mention of Balochistan in the joint statement after his Pakistani counterpart Yousuf Raza Gilani confronted him in Sharm-el-Sheikh with a dossier detailing India’s covert activities in Balochistan.

Malik also alleged in the Senate that India was responsible for the attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team and the Manawan police academy in Lahore last March.

Malik had then said: “The BLA was raised with funding from the Soviet Union (during the Soviet-Afghan war) and it is now backed by India.”

Malik said he had informed Afghanistan President Hamid Karzai of this development, and added that Karzai had agreed to shut down terror camps in Afghanistan.

Malik claimed that Baloch leader Brahamdagh Bugti has sought both Indian and American support for securing the independence of Balochistan from Pakistan.

Referring to Brahamdagh Bugti’s recent interview to a Pakistani TV channel, Malik said the Baloch nationalist leader had even said that he was denying that he was getting help from India in Balochistan”.

Malik quoted Bugti as replying: “We are not denying it. We want somebody should support us. I am appealing through your channel to the Indians, Americans and UN to support us. We will welcome any support.”

India’s Home Minister P. Chidambaram, however, has categorically denied Pakistan’s charge of New Delhi’s involvement in terrorist attacks in Balochistan.

“We are not involved in Balochistan, we have nothing to do with Pakistan’s internal problems in Balochistan. In fact, the Balochistan leader has said that he gets no support from India. Besides, why should we get involved when we have enough problems on our western borders with Pakistan,” Chidambaram told the media over the weekend.

“Pakistan must produce evidence before making such allegations,” he added.

Indian official sources have also vehemently denied media reports that a dossier had been given by Islamabad to New Delhi which contained “evidence” of Indian involvement in Balochistan.

 

[Su 30mki]

There is a very good reason for the US hold Pakistan back and that is because of its own interest in the region, it wants to keep the hostility between India and Pakistan to a minimum inorder to make Pakistan focus on the western front alone. Once Pakistan goes ballistic in its campaign to prove India a terrorist state, how well do you think the move will be taken by India? The more this issue surface, the more there are chances of increased hostility something which the US cannot afford at this stage and hence the usual pressure on Pakistan to back off and we might double your aid and our aid hungry leaders gladly accept such offers i dont need to tell why and India gets away from getting exposed just like that.

Well if US is stopping you then why you GA -GA of providing proof and showing proof to other.

Its like
1) If shown proof to world and others of India hands,

On asking where is Proof

Oh US has stop us for providing proof. but we provided proof and wait , we provided proof but didnt provided proof because US Stopped but we did provided proof.


If PAK goes blastic on this it is who itself gone declared a terrorist state.

 

[arihant]

Can any one tell me. Whether terror camps are in India or Pakistan (for Baloch youths).

 

[glomex]

Can any one tell me. Whether terror camps are in India or Pakistan (for Baloch youths).

They exist in Pakistani Imagination.....on Pakistani Papers....Pakistani Political class's speeches and in Pakistan National media.......

 

[arihant]

They exist in Pakistani Imagination.....on Pakistani Papers....Pakistani Political class's speeches and in Pakistan National media.......

Ya, I know that. But I want to know what Pakistan has official said. They must have said whether terror camps are in India or Pak. Or they are yet plan this.

 

[ejaz007]

Can any one tell me. Whether terror camps are in India or Pakistan (for Baloch youths).

These camps are most likely situated in Afghanistan.