India retaliates

[Star Wars]

But the diplomat wrote that amount on the visa application. The US govt. didn't force her to write that amount; she did. And she lied, i.e visa fraud.

even then there is a certain procedure to it...you don't strip diplomats and imprison her....the point is US violated the Vienna convention

 

[Developereo]

No you misunderstand. I said that the nanny has a diplomatic passport duly stamped by U.S. authorities accepting that she was diplomatic personnel. That means any U.S. law on minimum wage etc would not apply to her. If it were to apply, then surely it should also apply to the said diplomat who also was getting paid a salary below the argued minimum wage.

You may be right on that score. Which is why they are going after her (the diplomat) for lying on the visa application.

A mid level diplomat would have no connections to do what she is supposed to have done.

Oh please!
We all know how far connections can go in south Asia.

Once again, what was the justification for arresting (harassing) the nanny's husband and child?

 

[Bang Galore]

But the diplomat wrote that amount on the visa application. The US govt. didn't force her to write that amount; she did. And she lied, i.e visa fraud.

Not so simple. This was a practice informally agreed to by both sides.Confirm to the letter of the law by making said application & in return, the U.S. would stamp the visa on a diplomatic passport thereby effectively exempting from any action. Diplomatic passport holders have no obligation to be paid by host country payment rules. surely you did not believe that the Indian foreign office would not have thought & worked this out. That is why this is seen as a breach of faith.

 

[Developereo]

even then there is a certain procedure to it...you don't strip diplomats and imprison her....the point is US violated the Vienna convention

Oh I agree that she probably enjoys some kind of immunity.

All I am saying is that, if she had anything to do with the nanny's husband and child getting arrested in India (and I suspect she did, knowing how things work in this part of the world), then I don't feel sorry for her treatment.

 

[illusion8]

Oh I agree that she probably enjoys some kind of immunity.

All I am saying is that, if she had anything to do with the nanny's husband and child getting arrested in India (and I suspect she did, knowing how things work in this part of the world), then I don't feel sorry for her treatment.

The nanny absconded pretending to go out shopping and did not return - the diplomat informed her boss who in turn contacted GOI - the family members were picked up for questioning.

 

[Bang Galore]

You may be right on that score. Which is why they are going after her (the diplomat) for lying on the visa application.

The case would be impossible to make about someone who was on diplomatic passport. A lie would only be proven if you could argue that the person concerned was subject to U.S. laws as a normal immigrant.

Oh please!
We all know how far connections can go in south Asia.

Once again, what was the justification for arresting (harassing) the nanny's husband and child?

That is an allegation, not proven. I have no further knowledge on the said incident, so will refrain from commenting further except to say that any pressure(if true) could have directly come from a court or by higher level officials. Not by this mid-level official

 

[Jayanta]

I am happy that the Government of India has reacted rather than being spineless and being a mute spectator. A strong message must be sent, this is no way to treat a diplomat. Whether a criminal or not, she is a diplomat and needs to be treated as one.

Removing barricades from the US consulate is clearly a strong message.

 

[Developereo]

Not so simple. This was a practice informally agreed to by both sides.Confirm to the letter of the law by making said application & in return, the U.S. would stamp the visa on a diplomatic passport thereby effectively exempting from any action. Diplomatic passport holders have no obligation to be paid by host country payment rules. surely you did not believe that the Indian foreign office would not have thought & worked this out. That is why this is seen as a breach of faith.

So, basically, you are saying there was an unspoken agreement to overlook misstatements on visa applications, and the US decided to make an issue of it -- for ulterior reasons.

Could be, but this incident with the nanny is surely extraordinary. And, given what the nanny's family was evidently subjected to, my sympathies have shifted.

 

[kbd-raaf]

What was the need to arrest the nanny's husband and child in India?

Clearly, the diplomat did what all influential people in India/Pakistan do, which is to use her connections to intimidate the nanny. The nanny was scared to come out of the attorney's office and had to be escorted by NYPD.

In some ways, I am glad this diplomat got a taste of her own medicine.

P.S. As for the wages, it doesn't matter one whit what contract she signed in India. On US soil, she had to obey US labor laws, regardless of any diplomatic shields within her household.



I know how the western media gets extremely upset when you offend gays.
In Australia, you can blabber all day long against any group, but if you say two words against gays, the media gets all up in arms. The same is true in the US.

Our prime minister is Tony Abott, 'nuff said :p

 

[Developereo]

The case would be impossible to make about someone who was on diplomatic passport. A lie would only be proven if you could argue that the person concerned was subject to U.S. laws as a normal immigrant.

She explicitly wrote an amount in the visa application. The nanny contradicted that amount, and the diplomat evidently agreed the stated amount was wrong.

The fact of the lie is established. What remains unclear is whether she can claim diplomatic immunity for lying on the visa application.

even then there is a certain procedure to it...you don't strip diplomats and imprison her....the point is US violated the Vienna convention

Yeah. I'll leave the legal details to unravel as time goes on.

But, based on the (alleged) timeline above, I lost sympathy for her.

 

[qamar1990]

At least we can protest when our diplomat is arrested by the American govt. but you guys have to keep your mouth shut even when the Americans kill your countrymen like pigs in your own country…..what a pity...

lmfao the pain the pain i can feel it lol.

Yea, well....at least we dont get droned and missiled and bombed by americans, and remain unable to do anything. I can understand why you want to come and troll on this thread, which is about India showing a spine and taking reciprocal measures against the USA, which your country can never dream of doing. Americans can shoot pakistanis dead, and laugh about it. They can't even arrest Indians without tasting reciprocity and diplomatic fallout.

at least we got bigger dicks then you.
higher iq
less poverty
less disease

 

[Developereo]

The nanny absconded pretending to go out shopping and did not return - the diplomat informed her boss who in turn contacted GOI - the family members were picked up for questioning.

The child had to be "picked up" for questioning the whereabouts of the mother half a world away, eh?

More like harassment and intimidation.

 

[oFFbEAT]

lmfao the pain the pain i can feel it lol.

You are getting killed and we're supposed to feel the pain..........are Pakistanis competing with Chinese IQ these days......

 

[SrNair]

Pakistan still depend on the US, therefore Pakistan unwilling meet US demand. US hold the power of persuasion not the India.

But India is not depend on US.Hope you get my point.

 

[Developereo]

Our prime minister is Tony Abott, 'nuff said :p

On a side note, I am so enjoying the discomfort of Andrew Bolt. The normally fiery blowhard is positively blubbering like a fool seeking forgiveness...