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India refuses visas to Pakistani patients

Arts, Sports, Medical & other people to people contacts should me maintained.

At the end of the day all South Asians are one people.
 
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I disagree. It's high time people should correlate their identity with national ideology.

Having national ideology does not mean that one have to stop all contacts and relations.

Just because you have have your family, kids and home does not mean you stop talking to your cousins.
 
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Having national ideology does not mean that one have to stop all contacts and relations.

Just because you have have your family, kids and home does not mean you stop talking to your cousins.
What would you do with your so called cousin who is filled with hatred for you? Who wishes your destruction day in day out? I don't know why a lot of us like to think, the way you do, but try asking any Pakistani if they believe in all South Asians are one concept!!
Pakistanis considers themselves to be Arabs, and are close to China. Why don't they play sports with them, take patients to either of the lands? Why opt for a hostile enemy nation? Why??
 
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What would you do with your so called cousin who is filled with hatred for you? Who wishes your destruction day in day out? I don't know why a lot of us like to think, the way you do, but try asking any Pakistani if they believe in all South Asians are one concept!!
Pakistanis considers themselves to be Arabs, and are close to China. Why don't they play sports with them, take patients to either of the lands? Why opt for a hostile enemy nation? Why??


Sonia and Maneka do not see eye to eye but Rahul and Varun get along well.

Governments of India and Pakistan doe not see eye to eye but that should not deter people to people contacts.


Don't tell me it's a 'fact' that all Muslims in South Asia are descended from rapists


Some Pakistanis and Indian Muslims claim Arab ancestry, which is often a huge source of contention.
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One of my favorite movies is the great indie comedy “The Matchmaker”, where Janeane Garofalo is sent to Ireland to find her boss’s Irish roots as he’s running for a Senate seat in Boston, only to discover at the end of the movie that he is in fact Hungarian and when the family emigrated to America several generations back, the family patriarch changed the family name at Ellis Island to “McGlory” - which the hapless would-be Senator never gets to know.


In the search for some McGlory of their own, some Pakistanis and Indian Muslims love to claim Arab ancestry, but whether or not this ancestry is genuine is always the subject of much heated debate. It tends to especially infuriate Indian Hindus, as they regard this as Muslims’ attempt to deny their own Hindu roots. And it can result in some ludicrous arguments on social media, as both groups war with each other about history, religion, and racial superiority with increasingly wild and unsubstantiated claims.

Ties between Arabia and the Indus region of the Subcontinent go back a long way. In the eighth century Muhammed bin Qasim, a 17 year old Arab general, came to Sindh to free Muslims held captive by the Buddhist king Raja Dahir, and stayed around long enough to conquer Raja Dahir’s Hindu-dominated kingdom for the Ummayid Caliphate, a rule which lasted two centuries. At the same time, Arab descendants of the Prophet Mohammed migrated to Sindh in order to escape the persecution of the Ummayid and Abbasid caliphs, and settled all over Sindh and parts of Punjab.


Slightly less glorious than these tales is the fact that a great deal of trade took place between the lands of Arabia and India, Arab traders married amongst local women, and had families that thrived all across the northern region of the Subcontinent.

The people of the Subcontinent have a varied gene pool: Dravidian, Persian, Turkic, Mongolian, and Arab people met at this great crossroads of Asia to wage war, conduct business, and create history. But with the great colonial hangover came the inferiority complex that most South Asians have in which lighter skin is superior to darker skin; that brave foreign invaders are superior to local, conquered inhabitants.

The current thinking in the subcontinent amongst Muslims in both India and Pakistan is that Arabs are racially superior to Dravidian Indians and so having Arab genes or an Arab bloodline makes them higher in status than Hindus of Dravidian origin. But more important is the thought that Arabs are Muslims, and that bestows moral superiority on them over the kafir or unbelieving Indian Hindus, which appeals to Pakistanis on many complicated levels.

Still, it was with some bemusement that I came across people opining on Twitter about the Pakistani need to claim false Arab ancestry when in fact their true ancestry is Hindu Indian. I tweeted that my family had some Arab ancestry on both sides, but that I considered myself Pakistani, not Arab, and was told firmly that all Muslims in the Indian Subcontinent had Hindu Indian mothers who were forcibly converted and raped by Arab invaders. From this, a dozen other Indian Twitter users jumped in and enlightened me on the “fact” that all Muslims in South Asia are, in fact, descended from rapists.

The conversation from here descended into a free-for-all, with the Indians becoming hysterical about all invaders to the sub-continent, adding the Ghauri and Ghaznavi tribes (who were, in fact, Afghan) to the list of “rapist Arabs”, sending me links to genetic studies which proved that Indian Muslims carried no Arab chromosomes to speak of, and emphatically telling me that my “dark skin” and “Indian-sounding name” proved I was no Arab. All the talk of racial purity and corrupted bloodlines made me realize how Hitler’s theories of genetic superiority could be so wildly popular on the Subcontinent (Mein Kampf is a bestseller in India and copies of it are sold openly in Pakistan as well).

It’s certainly true that some Pakistanis make a big deal about any Arab connections (or even European ones, for that matter). Family trees are given a pride of place in Pakistani households, especially in families who claim descendence from the Prophet; some are beautifully decorated with roses where the names of the “holy” ancestors are recorded!

There’s also a great desire amongst Pakistanis to feel connected to their Arab brothers-in-faith; the wish that some of that Arab religiosity, wealth and power will rub off on them, or be reflected on them is a common one, although this sentiment is often not shared by Arabs, as some subject Pakistanis and South Indian to shocking racism when the emigration is reversed.

In the end, we all want to have connections in high places, and for some Muslims of South Asia, Arab descent is the quickest way to feel more important that the average Indian or Pakistani. As for piety, no nation can give you a higher dose than what you already possess in your own heart.

There’s no harm in acknowledging your family origins, but it’s such a pity that Indians and Pakistanis have to use background as one more point of contention in an already fraught relationship. Too much pride is as harmful as too much shame about where you come from, because in the end, it’s where we’re all going that really matters.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-asia-are-descended-from-rapists-8375422.html
 
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Nothing to be ashamed about. People of India and Pakistan definitely don't share the same hate as people here on defence.pk.

Lets hope situation returns to normalcy soon.
All I said is pakistan should be ashamed of not having medical facilities despite having nuclear weapons. Rather I have too many pakistani friends despite what I say or do on defence.pk

[QUOTMy-Analogous, post: 9453178, member: 13804"]Tell me how low will India goes to forget Humanity and talk shit and blame others. Stop supporting terrorist group like BLA and others. Stop crying crocodile tears and at least give rights to your own people.[/QUOTE]
Okay

Come on dude..i hope most of the Indian do not share your thought..

This is unfortunate and stupid decison if it is true
Dude I just say but my heart is all out for Love sharing pakistani who wanna spread love in india but a gun for those jihadi mofos.
 
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All I said is pakistan should be ashamed of not having medical facilities despite having nuclear weapons. Rather I have too many pakistani friends despite what I say or do on defence.pk

This shows how much Pakistan loves India and Modi Sarkar. They have developed expensive nuke for them first and now are working on building more hospitals. BTW we have lots of these facilities in the Metros but are working on having these facilities all over the country.
 
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India has put a ban on Medical visas for Pakistanis.



Why it is a shame to get paid health facilities anywhere even if these are in an enemy country?

Secondly If you being Indian are concerned about this "killing" then why you are having trade ties with Pakistanis?

It is such a shame for India and Indians to have a double face and such a hypocrisy.




Indeed it is a shame :)
It's Pakistan who wants trade ties with india and are in a trade deficit, you can sell your cement and sugar some where else of you want to we can't stop you in that case.
Look , I love pakistani people who wanna spread love on both sides of the border but not those who kill or soldiers and spread terrorism in my country.
Either you love or hate, not in between despite having a large majority who want good relations with india things don't work that way.
 
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It's Pakistan who wants trade times with india and are ina trade de dixit, you can sell your cement and sugar sone where else of you want to we can't stop you in that case.
Look , I love pakistani people who wanna spread love on both sides of the border but not those who kill or soldiers and spread terrorism in my country.
Either you love or hate, not in between despite having a large majority who want good relations with india things don't work that way.

Don't understand why Indians make such big deals out of puny little things... Cement? Sugar? Yet Pakistan has a huge trade deficit with India because we are buying a lot more from you than we are selling.

Look come visit Pakistan and see for yourself no one is asking for you to buy sugar and cement from Public's side. These factories are owned mostly by Politicians who probably have fringe benefits in making those deals. The public just want India to stay out of our business.

I think you have a lot of issues to resolve within your country before you can indulge in other's business. Killing your own people because of which religion they practice is one of them for sure. In your country under the current regime animals seem to be getting more respect than human beings these days.
 
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Why not consider South East Asian countries like Malaysia, Singapore, Thailand etc if the reason is cheaper treatment cost?
 
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Sonia and Maneka do not see eye to eye but Rahul and Varun get along well.

Governments of India and Pakistan doe not see eye to eye but that should not deter people to people contacts.


Don't tell me it's a 'fact' that all Muslims in South Asia are descended from rapists


Some Pakistanis and Indian Muslims claim Arab ancestry, which is often a huge source of contention.
154447316%20(1).jpg

One of my favorite movies is the great indie comedy “The Matchmaker”, where Janeane Garofalo is sent to Ireland to find her boss’s Irish roots as he’s running for a Senate seat in Boston, only to discover at the end of the movie that he is in fact Hungarian and when the family emigrated to America several generations back, the family patriarch changed the family name at Ellis Island to “McGlory” - which the hapless would-be Senator never gets to know.


In the search for some McGlory of their own, some Pakistanis and Indian Muslims love to claim Arab ancestry, but whether or not this ancestry is genuine is always the subject of much heated debate. It tends to especially infuriate Indian Hindus, as they regard this as Muslims’ attempt to deny their own Hindu roots. And it can result in some ludicrous arguments on social media, as both groups war with each other about history, religion, and racial superiority with increasingly wild and unsubstantiated claims.

Ties between Arabia and the Indus region of the Subcontinent go back a long way. In the eighth century Muhammed bin Qasim, a 17 year old Arab general, came to Sindh to free Muslims held captive by the Buddhist king Raja Dahir, and stayed around long enough to conquer Raja Dahir’s Hindu-dominated kingdom for the Ummayid Caliphate, a rule which lasted two centuries. At the same time, Arab descendants of the Prophet Mohammed migrated to Sindh in order to escape the persecution of the Ummayid and Abbasid caliphs, and settled all over Sindh and parts of Punjab.


Slightly less glorious than these tales is the fact that a great deal of trade took place between the lands of Arabia and India, Arab traders married amongst local women, and had families that thrived all across the northern region of the Subcontinent.

The people of the Subcontinent have a varied gene pool: Dravidian, Persian, Turkic, Mongolian, and Arab people met at this great crossroads of Asia to wage war, conduct business, and create history. But with the great colonial hangover came the inferiority complex that most South Asians have in which lighter skin is superior to darker skin; that brave foreign invaders are superior to local, conquered inhabitants.

The current thinking in the subcontinent amongst Muslims in both India and Pakistan is that Arabs are racially superior to Dravidian Indians and so having Arab genes or an Arab bloodline makes them higher in status than Hindus of Dravidian origin. But more important is the thought that Arabs are Muslims, and that bestows moral superiority on them over the kafir or unbelieving Indian Hindus, which appeals to Pakistanis on many complicated levels.

Still, it was with some bemusement that I came across people opining on Twitter about the Pakistani need to claim false Arab ancestry when in fact their true ancestry is Hindu Indian. I tweeted that my family had some Arab ancestry on both sides, but that I considered myself Pakistani, not Arab, and was told firmly that all Muslims in the Indian Subcontinent had Hindu Indian mothers who were forcibly converted and raped by Arab invaders. From this, a dozen other Indian Twitter users jumped in and enlightened me on the “fact” that all Muslims in South Asia are, in fact, descended from rapists.

The conversation from here descended into a free-for-all, with the Indians becoming hysterical about all invaders to the sub-continent, adding the Ghauri and Ghaznavi tribes (who were, in fact, Afghan) to the list of “rapist Arabs”, sending me links to genetic studies which proved that Indian Muslims carried no Arab chromosomes to speak of, and emphatically telling me that my “dark skin” and “Indian-sounding name” proved I was no Arab. All the talk of racial purity and corrupted bloodlines made me realize how Hitler’s theories of genetic superiority could be so wildly popular on the Subcontinent (Mein Kampf is a bestseller in India and copies of it are sold openly in Pakistan as well).

It’s certainly true that some Pakistanis make a big deal about any Arab connections (or even European ones, for that matter). Family trees are given a pride of place in Pakistani households, especially in families who claim descendence from the Prophet; some are beautifully decorated with roses where the names of the “holy” ancestors are recorded!

There’s also a great desire amongst Pakistanis to feel connected to their Arab brothers-in-faith; the wish that some of that Arab religiosity, wealth and power will rub off on them, or be reflected on them is a common one, although this sentiment is often not shared by Arabs, as some subject Pakistanis and South Indian to shocking racism when the emigration is reversed.

In the end, we all want to have connections in high places, and for some Muslims of South Asia, Arab descent is the quickest way to feel more important that the average Indian or Pakistani. As for piety, no nation can give you a higher dose than what you already possess in your own heart.

There’s no harm in acknowledging your family origins, but it’s such a pity that Indians and Pakistanis have to use background as one more point of contention in an already fraught relationship. Too much pride is as harmful as too much shame about where you come from, because in the end, it’s where we’re all going that really matters.


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-asia-are-descended-from-rapists-8375422.html

If you think India Pakistan relation is same as Sonia & Menaka's /Rahul & Varun's relation then you must be smoking something really nice!

About Arab ancestry of Pakistanis that is not something i claim, that is what Pakistanis believes and claim. I find it utterly stupid of Indians to force Pakistanis into believing something they don't want to believe.

Also, if our soldiers are beheaded like whats happening on our borders, then its better we don't have any relations with Pakistan! Indian army & Indian soldiers are way above any politics for me! Attack on them is attack on each individual Indian, it does not have anything to do with politics!!
 
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Don't understand why Indians make such big deals out of puny little things... Cement? Sugar? Yet Pakistan has a huge trade deficit with India because we are buying a lot more from you than we are selling.

Look come visit Pakistan and see for yourself no one is asking for you to buy sugar and cement from Public's side. These factories are owned mostly by Politicians who probably have fringe benefits in making those deals. The public just want India to stay out of our business.

I think you have a lot of issues to resolve within your country before you can indulge in other's business. Killing your own people because of which religion they practice is one of them for sure. In your country under the current regime animals seem to be getting more respect than human beings these days.
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Except Liver Transplant Every medical facility is available in Pakistan.
Heart Sergery is available everywhere in every big city.
Even Liver transplant is now getting common rapidly. 2 hospitals in my Knowledge are currently doing liver transplant. But people are reluctant and prefer india due to more experience in this field.
Else what exactly india provides in term of health care that is not available in Pakistan i fail to understand
 
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First learn to show some humanity to our soldiers. The are humans too with emotions and family and they are there getting killed and mutilated on the borders while you continue crooning your humanitarian songs for their killer's people. Where was the balance in giving away a land for Islam in partition and then having Islam acquire veto power in India too? So the majority Janta of this country who think like I do is the problem for you and you dislike them enough to threaten to kill them. So you are going to achieve your balance by killing Indians and protecting Pakistanis. Wah.
You have lost the plot. Just an extremist as dangerous as Islamist extremist.
Where did I say kill my fellow countrymen to protect the Pakistani.

Medical services give us money and it's an ethical service as well.

Any ways carry on ....
 
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