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Yup... when Indian media criticizes Pakistan and China, you people dismiss it as "un-credible", "joke" or "stupid". But when that very same Indian media criticizes Indian military, you people get all excited over it.

Fact remains that India's free and commercial media will go to any extent to sensationalize and fabricate an issue to gain higher viewership. So, continue watching Indian news reports.
 
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Grey Boy, BS sorry BR, is scared :cheers:

When ever you want to laugh & want to know about Indian wetty wet dreams just go to BR :rofl:

But, i still want to have some healthy debates there though,

Can any Indian members help me out with the recomendation part ?

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Grey Boy, BS sorry BR, is scared :cheers:

When ever you want to laugh & want to know about Indian wetty wet dreams just go to BR :rofl:

ohh please don't ask for something that cannot happen...

See how neutral BR is

you need 'recommendations' even to register :lol:

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Pathetic troll from a staff member. Reported.
 
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But, i still want to have some healthy debates there though,

Can any Indian members help me out with the recomendation part ?

:smitten::pakistan::china:

ohh please don't ask for something that cannot happen...

See how neutral BR is

you need 'recommendations' even to register :lol:
 
India developing weapon system to neutralize enemy satellites - People's Daily Online

India is developing a weapon system in its bid to neutralize enemy satellites operating in low-Earth orbit and polar orbit, the Defense Research and Development Organization (DRDO) said Sunday.

"India is putting together building blocks of technology that could be used to neutralize enemy satellites," DRDO chief V.K. Saraswat told the media in the southern Indian state of Kerala's capital Thirvananthapuram on the sidelines of the Indian Science Congress.

"We are working to ensure space security and protect our satellites. At the same time we are also working on how to deny the enemy access to its space assets," he said.

However, he said that the country's defense scientists have not yet planned any tests of the technology which is only being mulled. :smitten::pakistan::china:

Source: Xinhua
 
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"Other Forums:
Since we have no competition with other forums, it doesn't mean that you can talk about other forums with freedom on this forums. No it is not allow to talk about it. Since we dont want to get into rivalry and stuff...
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Pathetic stuff from a staff member. Reported.

Excuse me, Pathetic, I m sorry, But the Freedom Indians get here is not what you get on Indian forums

i mean even Indians need recommendations to register on an Indian Forum, Isnt that pathetic?


We have seen how neutral Indian forums are, I have the right to talk about 'double standards', If its hurting then I am really sorry

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See how neutral BR is

you need 'recommendations' even to register :lol:

Just a bunch of government, media and academic (and maybe military) insiders patting each other on the back. A great laugh as you mentioned.
 
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Hey, you sure sounds like a senior member from BR,

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TECHNOLOGY-INDIA: Exposed by Dud Missile, Space Vehicle Crash
By Praful Bidwai

NEW DELHI, Jul 11 (IPS) - The failure in rapid succession, this week, of a satellite launcher and a new ballistic missile have shown up the technological and budgetary difficulties faced by India's space establishment - civilian and military.

Hours after the 50 million US dollar Geosynchronous Satellite Launch Vehicle (GSLV) with a communications satellite on board was ordered to self-destruct, as it veered off course soon after lift-off on Monday, authorities at the civilian Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) said one of its four strap-on rocket motors had failed.

Like the GSLV, a new intermediate-range ballistic missile ‘Agni III' that was launched by the secretive Defence Research Development Organisation (DRDO), failed soon after lift-off on Sunday and crashed into the Bay of Bengal, less than 1,000 km away from the launch site.

The failure of the Agni III was in some ways more serious because it exposed the political limitations of India's attempts, despite its ambitions, to pursue a military capability which is truly independent of the United States' strategic calculations.

The surface-to-surface ballistic missile, designed to have a range of 3,500 km, took off in a "fairly smooth" manner at the designated hour. But "a series of mishaps" occurred in its later flight-path.

The Agni-III was originally meant to be tested in 2003-04. However, the test was postponed owing to technological snags. After their rectification, said reports, the missile's test-flights were put off twice largely for "political reasons", so as not to annoy the U.S.

Earlier this year, India decided to postpone the missile test out of fear that a test could hamper U.S. Congressional ratification of the India-U.S. nuclear cooperation deal. Publicly, the Indian defence minister cited "self-imposed restraint" to justify the postponement.

However, last month, Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the U.S. military, visited India and declared that "I do not see it (a test) as destabilising" or upsetting the regional "military balance" since "other countries in this region" (read, Pakistan) have also tested missiles.

Following this "facilitation" or clearance, and after indications of favourable votes in U.S. Congressional committees on the nuclear deal, India's stand changed. A week later, the DRDO announced it was ready to launch Agni-III.

This is the ninth missile in the Agni series (named after the Sanskrit word for "fire") to have been tested. The first was tested in May 1989. The last test (Agni-II) took place in August 2004.

Unlike major powers like the U.S., Russia or China, which test the same missile 10 to 20 times before announcing that it is fully developed, India considers only three or four test-flights to be enough for both producing and inducting new missiles.

This is not first time that the test of an Agni series missile has failed. In the past, some tests of the shorter range Agni-II (range 2000 km-plus) also proved unsuccessful.

But what makes the Agni-III's failure significant is that unlike its shorter-range predecessors, it was a wholly new design, developed with the specific purpose of delivering a nuclear warhead.

The Agni-I (range 700 to 800 km) and Agni-II, were both products of India's space programme married to its Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP), itself launched in 1983. Originally, their design used a satellite space-launching rocket (SLV-3) as the first stage, on top of which was mounted the very-short range (150 to 250 km) liquid fuel-propelled Prithvi missile.

The Agni-III's brand new design, in which both stages use solid propellants, was to enable it to carry a payload weighing up to 1.5 tonnes and deliver it to targets as far away as Beijing and Shanghai. At present, India lacks an effective nuclear deterrent vis-à-vis China, based on a delivery vehicle carrying a nuclear warhead. Agni-III was meant to fill the void.

The causes of the failure of the test-flight are not clear. Scientists at the DRDO, which designed and built the missile, have been quoted as saying that many new technologies were tried in the Agni-III, including rocket motors, "fault-tolerant" avionics and launch control and guidance systems. Some of these could have failed. Other reports attribute the mishap to problems with the propellant.

"The DRDO isn't the world's most reliable weapons R&D agency," Admiral L. Ramdas, a former chief of staff of the Indian Navy told IPS. "The Indian armed services' experience with DRDO-made armaments has not been a happy one. Their reliability is often extremely poor. We often used to joke that one had to pray they would somehow work in the battlefield."

The agency has a budget of Rs 30 billion (670 million dollars), which is of the same order as the annual expenditure of the department of atomic energy which is responsible for India's civilian and military nuclear programmes.

"This figure is extremely high for a poor country like India, with a low rank of 127 among 175 countries of the world in the United Nations Human Development Index," said Anil Chowdhary of the Coalition for Nuclear Disarmament and Peace. "Yet the DRDO has delivered very little."

None of the three major projects assigned to the DRDO has been completed on time or without huge cost-overruns. These include the development of a Main Battle Tank (MBT), a nuclear power plant for a submarine, and an advanced Light Combat Aircraft (LCA), all involving expenditures of hundreds of millions of dollars.

The MBT project was launched in 1974. But the tank has failed to meet service requirement tests. It is reportedly too heavy and undependable to be used in combat operations. The Indian army prefers imported Russian tanks over the indigenous MBTs and says it will use the MBTs for training, not operations.

The nuclear submarine project, launched 31 years ago, is not yet finished despite the almost one billion dollars spent on it. The LCA project, launched in 1983, is still in the doldrums: the DRDO has failed to develop the right engine for it. Even with an imported engine, the plane is unlikely to enter service anytime soon.

"The primary reason for these shocking instances of underperformance and inability is lack of public accountability and oversight of the DRDO," says M.V. Ramana, an independent technical expert attached to Centre for Interdisciplinary Studies in Environment and Development, Bangalore. "The DRDO, like all of India's defence and nuclear service establishments, is not subject to normal processes of audit. It has used ‘security' as a smokescreen or shield and refused to be held to account," he adds.

The DRDO says it will try to rectify the faults in Agni-III. Whether or not and whenever that happens, India's missile development programme, with future plans to develop an intercontinental ballistic missile with a range of 5,000 km or more, has suffered a major setback. (END/2006)
 
How DRDO failed India's military
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The difference between India's failure against Pakistan's success in their respective missile programmes is based on the purist mindset of the Defence Research and Development Organisation to develop indigenously all complex weapon platforms and Islamabad's intelligent alliance with China and the approach to achieve its goals 'by any means, fair or foul'! While Pakistan was pragmatic in its approach, India was merely pompous.

Therefore, it should not come as a surprise that India's Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme has been finally shelved. This marks an unceremonious end of an ambitious technological misadventure by the DRDO -- country's premier defence R&D agency. For nearly two-and-a-half decades, it doled out mere promises to the country's armed forces -- delaying their much- needed modernisation plans.

The armed forces were forced to resort to off-the-shelf 'panic buying' whenever they realised that the strategic balance was tilting in favour of their adversaries. Besides missiles, there are other equipments such as the Main Battle Tank Arjun, Unmanned Aerial Vehicle Nishant, Light Combat Aircraft Tejas, INSAS rifles which have been thrust on the end users despite unsatisfactory performances during trials.

In the bargain, the military lost 25 precious years and the taxpayers' nearly Rs 2,000 crore by keeping the IGMDP programme under wraps to hide its inefficiency from the nation.

Even when the IGMDP was embarked upon, many pointed out that to successfully complete such a high-end technological programme, foreign collaboration would be needed. But the DRDO's obduracy prevailed and the programme dragged for so many years.

It is wasteful to try and 'reinvent the wheel', but that is precisely what the DRDO backed by New Delhi did for all these years -- trying to develop every system and sub-system indigenously and ending up developing practically nothing of substance.

The IGMPD started in 1983 after India failed to reverse engineer a Russian missile in the seventies, with A P J Abdul Kalam as the head. However, 25 years later the DRDO missiles remain off target. The army cannot rely on Prithvi, a battlefield support missile, unless technological issues affecting its launch readiness are resolved. Trishul, the quick reaction anti-aircraft missile, turned out to be a dud and is now being resurrected with the induction of foreign technology as a stopgap arrangement for the air force, till the Spyder missile systems from Israel finally arrives. Meanwhile this delay for the navy meant importing Israel's Barak missile. While Akash, the medium range surface to air missile with 27-km range, had its first user trial in end 2007, Nag, the anti-tank missile with 4-7 km range, is yet to begin user trials.

Meanwhile, the air force with depleting fleet of obsolete Russian SA-3 Pechora and OSA-AK missile systems, is in a quandary as to how to plug holes in its air defence system in the western sector as the DRDO has failed to deliver.

AGNI �I and AGNI-II with a range of 700 km and 2,500 km respectively, have been tested five times, which is inadequate to generate confidence in a nuclear capable missile. The end users of these ballistic missiles are army and the air force with 8 and 24 missiles in their arsenals but lack confidence in the quality of the product even as AGNI-IV is readied for trial in mid-2008 with a range of 6,000 km.

The tacit admission of the DRDO's inability must not be limited to the missile programme alone; a review of all projects under its aegis is needed for a reality check and course correction. The DRDO fault-line primarily is a result of lack of accountability, focus, and failure to develop scientific disposition.

The director general of DRDO wears three hats. He is also, secretary defence R&D and scientific advisor to the defence minister. These three inter-linked hats on one individual destroy the basic principal of accountability. Therefore, he is not answerable to anyone.

DRDO scuttled a contract that was on the verge of being signed by India in 1997 for the import of a Weapon Locating Radar as the latter promised to produce it indigenously within two years. Due to this negligence, the Indian Army could not neutralise Pakistan's artillery fire effectively in the Kargil conflict and suffered heavy causalities. Of course, the DRDO to date is not in a position to produce WLR and ultimately India bought it from the previously selected producer in 2003. In my view, DRDO should be held directly responsible for these unwarranted war causalities.

The DRDO actually produces in its Tezpur laboratory orchids and mushrooms, identifies the sharpest chili in the world with pride, while its lab in Pithoragarh develops hybrid varieties of cucumber, tomato and capsicum. It spends merrily from the defence budget on developing new strains of Angora rabbits and 'Namkeen Herbal Tea'! DRDO by indulging in such irrelevant activities lost its focus and sight of its primary responsibility.

Instead of building a scientific temper, DRDO from its inception indulged in empire building, spending a major part of its budget on world-class auditoriums, convention centres, conference halls, and hostels, while neglecting research work.

To remove DRDO's fault-line, New Delhi should rapidly transform India into a low cost, high end R&D centre of the world without neglecting its manufacturing sector. Fairly ideal demographic conditions exist along with favourable geo-political factors whereby international actors are willing to invest, as well as, set up shop in India. To maintain their technological lead, the West finds India as a logical destination for their defence industries, both as a potential market and also a base to develop low cost high-end research projects.

On the other hand, we need to leapfrog as well as piggyback technologically, as reinventing the wheel is not necessarily an answer to the yawning technological gap that exists between the western countries and India. Therefore, there are synergies that should be exploited. Enormous mutual benefits can occur to both, if New Delhi can develop itself as a world-class R&D centre and a global hub for manufacturing sensitive military equipment.

Due to the rapid march of technologies and huge costs involved in R&D, no single player is in a position to deliver next generation weapon systems. Whether it is Boeing, Lockheed Martin, DCN, Airbus, or HDW -- all of them sub-contract different assemblies and sub-systems globally to the most competitive and competent companies. The other interesting trend is the formation of trans-national consortiums of nations and companies to manufacture superior platforms like the Euro fighter or the Euro copter. The game, thus, is global as it is not feasible for a single player to manufacture or develop each item.

In the development Sukhoi SU-30 MKI, the major player was the Russian corporation IRKUT but without the help of France [Images] and Israel, the fighter aircraft could not have developed the decisive technological edge that it displays. Therefore, India needs to shed its inhibitions, diversify, and form international industrial alliances to leapfrog technological gaps, boost export revenues from its military industrial complex, and leverage this strength as a strategic asset in Asia.

In any case, defence technologies become obsolete by the time a country can reinvent the wheel. Therefore, radical shifting of strategic gears to a more advantageous position by opening up the field to private sector will stimulate self-sufficiency. Companies like Tatas or L&T can enter into joint ventures and where necessary import CEO's and employ foreign scientists to kick start complex projects.

In fact, to improve performance of the Public Sector Units there should be competitors making fighter aircraft, missiles, and warships in the corporate world. Such farsighted policy shifts will improve India's self�sufficiency in the shortest possible time frame. This in turn, will increase the stakes of multi-nationals in India's well being and marginalise sanction regimes.

The Indian Foreign Office took 58 years to grudgingly acknowledge the criticality of military diplomacy in international affairs. If DRDO can appreciate that a technologically advanced and vibrant defence industry is equally critical for India's security and its global aspirations, we will not replicate this mistake. In other words, it should be made to realise that it solely exists to support the armed forces and not vice versa. Therefore, New Delhi should force ruthless accountability, create focus and development of scientific temperament within DRDO and ensure fruitful collaboration with the Indian and international private sector, instead of permitting them to fritter away the defence budget on irrelevant and peripheral activities.
 
What CBI doesn’t say: Trishul a DRDO dud, that’s why Barak deal

The CBI, while naming former Defence Minister George Fernandes in its FIR on the Barak deal case, claimed that he opted for the Israeli missile system despite the objection of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) which was pitching for the indigenous Trishul. What the CBI and DRDO don’t say is that the Trishul was not ready then, not now. Two hundred scientists, Rs 250 crore and 21 years later, Trishul remains a technology demonstrator.


In a written response to queries sent by The Indian Express, the DRDO today admitted to the major problems that crippled the Trishul programme: “Consistency of the missile guidance and control system — mainly the technical problems in perfecting the three-beam missile guidance system. Non-availability of critical components, devices and subsystems due to embargoes imposed upon the country and also depletion of experienced specialist manpower during a critical phase of the development has led to delay in the project.”


The “technology demonstrator” designation, officially stated two months ago by Defence Minister Pranab Mukherjee in Parliament, is no compliment to the country`s Integrated Guided Missile Development Programme (IGMDP). For the Trishul, the “TD” suffix principally labels it a technology pool from which other, newer systems may borrow technology. But this speaks little of the Ministry’s own frustration with the Trishul, even if the missile’s imported replacement, the Israeli Barak, is now in the eye of a political storm.



In April this year, with inputs from IAF deputy chief Air Marshal AK Nagalia, the Defence Ministry provided unusually forthright testimony to the Parliamentary Standing Committee on Defence. “The Trishul weapon system which was to replace OSA-AK weapon system has not met with success. These delays have derailed modernisation/replacement programme resulting in critical voids,” it told the Panel for the latter’s 11th report.

In March, DRDO chief M Natarajan, whose area of specialisation is armoured vehicles, told the Defence Ministry that the Trishul was ready for user trials. At any rate, three of the seven Chief Controllers (CCs), Dr Prahlad, Dr A Sivathanu Pillai and Dr VK Saraswat, among the more decorated scientists in the country, have been involved with the Trishul and the IGMDP at large.


When the Navy projected a “very threatening scenario for warships” after Kargil, things came to a head in mid-2002. Faced with mounting pressure from the IAF, headed then by Air chief S Krishnaswamy whose force was facing critical obsolescence in air defence systems, the Trishul was de-linked from user service requirements, and pushed back onto the drawing board under then DRDO chief V K Aatre.



The Navy was less patient — with a capability projection nearing its tenth year with no movement, it had begun to look abroad for stop-gap measures in the 1990s under Admirals V S Shekhawat and Vishnu Bhagwat, finally succeeding in 2000 with the Israeli Barak. The DRDO and even sections of the Navy were not happy, saying the missile was not suitable for Indian warships.

The DRDO, however, said today that “All development work on Trishul has been completed and the project closure is underway.” But even if user trials take place and succeed, it’s still too little, too late for all three armed forces. The Army and IAF have committed to buying Israeli quick-reaction missiles, deals together worth nearly Rs 4,000 crore, and the Navy has set its eyes on the next generation Barak missile for its warships.

The cost of these deals makes a one-time purchase uneconomical. The biggest possible sign of despondence about Trishul however came in January this year. The Hyderabad-based Defence R&D Laboratory (DRDL), the very establishment that has brought the Trishul this far, entered into an agreement to develop the Barak-II with Israel, with the understanding that co-development will have technological spin-offs, ironically enough, for the Indian guided missile programme.


Like DRDO, Kalam pitched for Trishul



NEW DELHI: A P J Abdul Kalam, who was then Scientific Advisor to the PM, wrote to Fernandes in June 1999 expressing reservations on the proposed Barak purchase and arguing that the Trishul would be operational soon. Post-Kargil, Barak was dovetailed with Kargil purchases.
 
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