India ran to uncle sam to force Pakistan to retreat!

[Rollno21]

I am a firm believer that the Kargil fiasco cost us an unbelievable diplomatic price. Before this conflict Pakistan had an MORAL upper hand on the Kashmir issue . India took the advantage of being an aggrieved nation whos sovereignty had been violated by the so called Pakistani aggression.

Majority of Pakistanies don't understand the damage it had done to Pakistan.

 

[War Thunder]

America is so scary.

To those whose gods live on the Earth, and who fear men above the Creator Almighty.
Every one is scary.

 

[Rollno21]

He was Daddy, but not ours, Daddy Clinton forced isolated and humiliated Child Pakistan. At the time Pakistanis were the favorite of the west and India was the bad guy who sided with Russians, tested nukes without the approval of the west, you saved us from that position by attacking us without any reason. Pakistan was the middle man who endorsed US China relation and them entering WTO. From there what a fall it was.

The Kargil drama alone cost a great deal of international repercussions on Pakistan. India played it's narrative very well showing Pakistan as aggressor.

Clinton saved your a$$ from further humiliation and gave you an unfavorable exit and he also realized Pakistan is unstable and unreliable as an ally, that's how US started getting close to India to balance out relation with Pakistan.

you are forgetting biggest favor they did to India .
Thanks to Pakistan we have Kashmir ,only if they waited the whole Kashmir would have been theirs .

 

[LeGenD]

I am a firm believer that the Kargil fiasco cost us an unbelievable diplomatic price. Before this conflict Pakistan had an MORAL upper hand on the Kashmir issue . India took the advantage of being an aggrieved nation whos sovereignty had been violated by the so called Pakistani aggression.

Agreed, Kargil chapter damaged Pakistan in ways few among us realize.

 

[War Thunder]

I am a firm believer that the Kargil fiasco cost us an unbelievable diplomatic price. Before this conflict Pakistan had an MORAL upper hand on the Kashmir issue . India took the advantage of being an aggrieved nation whos sovereignty had been violated by the so called Pakistani aggression.

Loosing it after having taken those posts, and leaving those men to fend for themselves without air cover or arty support is what costed us more.
Diplomacy is not done by being timid and a pushover, diplomacy is done by being aggressive and making a stand.
There is a clear difference between nations who define their perception through strength, and then there are those who can be pushed to do whatever the world pleases.
What exactly was the cost of Russian take over of Crimea? Except people know to respect the Russians now.

We are a nation of World pleasers and in particular Washington pleasers.

 

[PakSword]

Pakistan's mistake started when we first joined US camp. The peak of stupidity was when we joined the fight against USSR in Afghanistan that took away a balancing superpower. Afghan crisis could have been solved diplomatically over the years.

US has never been our friend, but our elite couldn't get this through to their brains.

USSR was not interested in invading Pakistan but West made it look like that and our charsi religious leaders started conveying the same msg to the people.

The moment USSR disintegrated, US started trying to lick India to capture a 7 times bigger market and to contain emerging China.

I doubt we have learnt anything from our past.

 

[Minho]

He was Daddy, but not ours, Daddy Clinton forced isolated and humiliated Child Pakistan. At the time Pakistanis were the favorite of the west and India was the bad guy who sided with Russians, tested nukes without the approval of the west, you saved us from that position by attacking us without any reason. Pakistan was the middle man who endorsed US China relation and them entering WTO. From there what a fall it was.

The Kargil drama alone cost a great deal of international repercussions on Pakistan. India played it's narrative very well showing Pakistan as aggressor.

Clinton saved your a$$ from further humiliation and gave you an unfavorable exit and he also realized Pakistan is unstable and unreliable as an ally, that's how US started getting close to India to balance out relation with Pakistan.

Do Pakistanis seriously believe that Nawaz wouldn't have taken credit had Kargil been a success? Nawaz only ran to Clinton after India had retaken the most strategic peak in Kargil, Tiger Hill.

And since some members here want to talk about Indian peaks Pakistan supposedly captured, India actually captured peaks on the Pakistani side, mainly 5310. Pakistanis are also forgetting that the goal of Kargil wasn't to capture peaks, but to cut off the Siachen highway, which Pakistan failed to do.

 

[KhanBaba2]

Nawaz went to the US. Sartaj Aziz came running to India http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/asiapcf/9906/12/india.pakistan/

Yet in Pakistan the feeling is that it was India that went everywhere.

 

[SIPRA]

In my opinion, it is hardly clear that why General Musharraf initiated the Kargil conflict, to begin with.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

In my opinion, it is hardly clear that why General Musharraf initiated the Kargil conflict, to begin with.

the area is disputed
the Indians violated the cease fire back in 80s when they sneaked into Siachin
had we not done that they would've been on the mountains next to Sakardu city.
Kargil was a small scale conflict where we did exactly the same at a limited scale at brigade level and occupied some of the area. its an on going war from sir creek to siachin, where the Indians punish you if you are not aggressive or vigilant. Gen Musharaf did exactly what a military commander must do and that is to keep the enemy on its toes. Abdali sahib had to attack 17 times until he got victory so cut a slack to our military now. we are up against a times 5 enemy and even holding our own is an achievement in its own right.

 

[Zarvan]

Not only that but funny thing is it was 2500 of our boys that too it was from NLI which until Kargil was a Para Military Force, India on the other end brought 40000 troops backed by 100 Fighter Jets and latest Artillery. Still Kargil war went for 3 months and even after fighting for 3 months and bombing the hell out of our boys they still failed to get all the peaks backs and Pakistan is still sitting on these peaks in Kargil.

Kargil peaks still under Pakistani control as of 2018

• Point 5353
• Point Aftab-I
• Point Saddle Ridge
• Point Bunker Ridge
• Shangruti
• Dhalunag

And also India loosing of 1800 soldiers in 2002 stand off without fighting the war is also well documented.

@Myth_buster_1

 

[Jungibaaz]

They're literally some of the tallest in the region.

Apart from 5353, both 5070 and 5240 and surrounding peaks are in Indian control. All other peaks of any importance were lost including Tiger hill and Tololing. India also captured some very tall peaks 53xx included and one above 5600m if I recall correctly some time after Kargil, for which musharraf was furious.

In any case, we lost far more than any few peaks can justify.

 

[Minho]

Apart from 5353, both 5070 and 5240 and surrounding peaks are in Indian control. All other peaks of any importance were lost including Tiger hill and Tololing. India also captured some very tall peaks 53xx included and one above 5600m if I recall correctly some time after Kargil, for which musharraf was furious.

In any case, we lost far more than any few peaks can justify.

Also important to consider that India took 5310 on the Pakistani side, which was the reason Pakistan occupied 5353.
But I think all of those peaks were vacated in the 2003 ceasefire agreement, so in hindsight, everyone who died in the war died for nothing.

 

[Myth_buster_1]

I am a firm believer that the Kargil fiasco cost us an unbelievable diplomatic price. Before this conflict Pakistan had an MORAL upper hand on the Kashmir issue . India took the advantage of being an aggrieved nation whos sovereignty had been violated by the so called Pakistani aggression.

Up until 1990s it was always Pakistan that was the aggressor who has fought multiple wars over kashmir.

So basically the article says, because of the traitor General Pervez Musharraf's Kargil misadventure, US decided to abandon 40-year-old relationship with Pakistan and hug India which it had ignored for 40-years for Pakistan.

Do you seriously think US would chose Pakistan over India after collapsed Soviet Union? India offered them trade, tech services, and much more while Pakistan was NO use for US accept for being a vessel for its imposed policies! Regardless of Kargil, US was bond to get closer to India because of its economic benefits which would be in BILLIONS!
Forcing Pakistan to retreat was a GIFT to India from US.

Exactly, people should stop glorifying Kargil blunder. Nothing good came of it and it failed not because of the civilian leadership but because of the Musharraf, his comrades, and their poor planning.

Pakistan underestimated US reaction. Had US not intervened in India's favor Pakistan would have had upper hand resolving Kashmir's issue in their own terms.

 

[Imad.Khan]

Pakistan underestimated US reaction. Had US not intervened in India's favor Pakistan would have had upper hand resolving Kashmir's issue in their own terms.

Are you suggesting that had US not interfered Pakistan would have captured Kashmir with just the NLI without Air or Arty support?