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India: Pak Rail team arrives today to buy engines

Can anyone tell me which Electric engines are these.? In most of North India i have noticed these Engines are being industed at alarming rate.
WAP-7_locomotive.jpg


Is it WAP 7 or 5.?
We should give the pakistanis these so they can taste the real power of our locomotives.
 
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Hey if the quality is so bad then surely Pakistani railways wouldn't accept the engines due to their exceptionally high standards, right? Thing is Pakistan is willing to buy and India is willing to sell- that is business for you. India is continually building more and more high tech railway equipment and also incredibly innovative equipment. No need to bite the hand that feeds you.

In a business transaction, there's no such thing as "the hand that feeds you". Both parties are looking after their own interests.
 
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Fact :
Pakistan Railways is Shiat

We need Locomotives and we need them fast 50 purchase , and 50 lease we need to make money and not go in loss every year
and if we can't fix it , get someone who can fix it send locomotives for overhauls in India

Swallow the pride pill and do what needs to be done . if not Fix it your ownself .. instead of collecting donation from bail outs every year
 
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Fact :
Pakistan Railways is Shiat

We need Locomotives and we need them fast 50 purchase , and 50 lease we need to make money and not go in loss every year
and if we can't fix it , get someone who can fix it send locomotives for overhauls in India

Swallow the pride pill and do what needs to be done . if not Fix it your ownself .. instead of collecting donation from bail outs every year

why Iranian option is not considered? They make Engines/Coaches under license from German company.

SkyscraperCity - View Single Post - Iranian Railways

http://www.flickr.com/photos/alcoalbe/sets/72157625232744712/
 
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I don't remember exactly but there was some compatibility issues with iran

May be its meter gauge or broad guage problem or something

As india n pakistan inherited the railway tracks thats why its they r easily compatible with each other.....:no:

Pakistan's locomotive stock is made up of US & Chinese engines who follow standard gauge. AFAIK, India & Pakistan is the only major countries that follow broad gauge.
 
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Can anyone tell me which Electric engines are these.? In most of North India i have noticed these Engines are being industed at alarming rate.
WAP-7_locomotive.jpg


Is it WAP 7 or 5.?
We should give the pakistanis these so they can taste the real power of our locomotives.
This 1 is WAP 7. WAP 5 has 2 red colors instead of 1 in WAP 7. You can identify by this color line only otherwise they look pretty much single.
 
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What is better, WAP5 OR WAP7?
Indian locomotive class WAP-7
Top speed Test Run:177 km/h (110 mph), Operational: 130 km/h (81 mph)
Power output 6,350 hp (4,735 kW)
Gear Ratio 72:20
Axle load 20.5t
Traction Motors 6FRA 6068 3-phase squirrel-cage induction motors (850 kW, 2180V, 1283/2484 rpm, *270/310A; Weight- 2100 kg, forced-air ventilation, axle-hung, nose-suspended; Torque 6330/7140Nm. *95% efficiency.)
With a maximum speed rating of 180 km/h (IR restricts it to 130 km/hr), the WAP-7 boasts of the most phenomenal acceleration figures while hauling mail/express trains. The WAP-7 can also haul loads of 24-26 passenger coaches (1430-1550t) at 110+ km/h per hour. It is also known to haul 16 heavyweight Air Conditioned coaches (1120t) in 1:40 inclines single-handedly. At a trial conducted by Indian Railways, it clocked a speed of 177 km/h.
A 24-coach (1500t) passenger rake can be accelerated to 110 km/h in 240 seconds (over 4.7 km) by a WAP-7; to 120 km/h in 304 sec. (6.7 km); and to 130 km/h in 394 sec. (9.9 km). Around 100 of these locomotives have been put to service as of early 2012.
Currently a 6000 hp version with IGBT traction is under development by Chittaranjan Locomotive Works.
The locomotive has started running to/from the Mumbai area of Western Railway from february 2012 :girl_wacko:and is exprected to be used in the Mumbai area of Central Railway by January 2013.:cry:

Indian locomotive class WAP-5
Axle load 19.5 tonnes (19.2 long tons; 21.5 short tons)
Locomotive weight 78 tonnes (77 long tons; 86 short tons)
Top speed Service: 162 km/h (101 mph)
Test Runs: 184 km/h (114 mph)
Potential: 225 km/h (140 mph)
Power output 5,450 hp (4,064 kW),4 MW (4000 kW, 5450 hp)
Tractive effort 258 kN (58,000 lbf)
regenerative braking (160 kN)
WAP-5 travels at 150 km/h (93 mph) in the New Delhi - Agra Cantt section.
Around 50 of these locomotives have been put to service as of January 2012.
Traction Motors ABB's 6FXA 7059 3-phase squirrel cage induction motors (1150 kW, 2180V, 370/450A, *1583/3147 rpm) Weight 2050 kg. Forced-air ventilation, fully suspended. Torque 6930/10000 Nm. 96% *efficiency.
Gear Ratio 67:35:17. (3-stage gears)
Transformer ABB's LOT-7500. 7475kVA primary, 4x1450kVA secondary.
Power Drive Power converter from ABB, type UW-2423-2810 with SG 3000G X H24 GTO thyristors (D *921S45 T diodes), 14 thyristors per unit (two units). Line converter rated at 2 x 1269 V @ 50 Hz, *with DC link voltage of 2180 V. Drive converter rated at 2180 V phase to phase, 953 A output current *per phase, motor frequency from 0 to 160 Hz.

From above data you can understand that WAP 5 has less power but sustained highest speed in heavy weight category. WAP7 has advantage in highest acceleration rate so it clears the tracks much faster than others.
 
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Seems like good investment to buy from India

We got 500 local Locomotives that need repairing , might as well buy new from India and get some on lease as well.
It will take 3 years to fix 500 locomotives that Pakistan Railways currently has

Hopefully by then Railways would make some profit
 
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Why would you sell something which can transport war logistics ?
We can always fit a 'destruct' device on all engines that will blow them up at the press of a remote button located at Rail Bhavan in the event of war!! :lol:

Seriously, why on Earth are we making such a hue and cry over giving Pakistan rail engines? It doesn't have any top secret technology that Pakistan will acquire which would be detrimental to India's security!

C'mon guys! Let's be practical. This will add to the economies of both nations even though it won't be much. But it's a start anyway.

Cheers!
 
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