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India opposes Pakistan over EU trade concessions

We already have tight competition with pakistani manufactures on textile exports,with pakistanis having a slight upper hand.Any tarif concession to pakistan will badly affect our exports.Pakistan should compete with india and bangladesh in open market-trying to get tariff and trade concessions by claiming the status of "least developed nation"(when clearly it is not)is not a fair business practise.



The below phrase is from the article.
Pakistan says it is an LDC because of the setback to its economy on account of natural calamities and the war on terror in 2010. As an LDC, it would be eligible for EU concessions (subject to WTO rules).

The redefinition of LDC sets the tone of the concessions.
Under that pakistan is liable to get some, or it also requires that how EU deals with that case.
 
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You are right in your part and we are right in our economical threats are concerned.
We dont need aid for help we want trade to boost our industry and economy.
Its all about EU, whatever is better for them they will do at the cost of anyone.
You should object it and I suppose we should not be angry on that but what we can do is to do some talks with India and Bangladesh to help us in this matter and we will accomodate in other areas.

This is exactly what is required India & Pakistan should sit & talk. Infact there is trade level talks between India & Pakistan in May i think. India has given infact MFN status to Pakistan, but its pakistan which is deliberating to accord similar status to India. North Korea & South Korea are also rivals, but they are not stopping trade, if we see there are so many countries with strained relations, but they are not disrupting trade relations. India & China is also a good example, US & China too. Economics, Trade, Business should not be held as ransom for political issues.
 
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One simple question to people of Pakistan here, why should it seek aid, its always to enhance trade. India also offered aid at the time of floods, but Pakistan government deliberated for long & at last accepted it through UN, where as it accepts humanitarian aid from around the world. If Pakistan & India engage in talks and improve bilateral trade. I am pretty confident that Pakistan can export more than what it exports around the world to just India. As we are so much culturally, ethnically linked. People are mixing political, military conflicts with trade. If we think that Pakistan & India can achieve their aims by Military conflicts, then not only our government are fooling us, but we our selves are fools and get our heads scanned.

Western countries always acts in their interests, they are least bothered about India / Pakistan and why should they. They have mouths to feed in their own countries. Business means profit not aid or helping, its simple principle.
 
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Most things that pakistan imports from uae, is actually exported from india to uae and from there on to pakistan. I still can't understand what makes sense in this.
 
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This is exactly what is required India & Pakistan should sit & talk. Infact there is trade level talks between India & Pakistan in May i think. India has given infact MFN status to Pakistan, but its pakistan which is deliberating to accord similar status to India. North Korea & South Korea are also rivals, but they are not stopping trade, if we see there are so many countries with strained relations, but they are not disrupting trade relations. India & China is also a good example, US & China too. Economics, Trade, Business should not be held as ransom for political issues.

You are portraying the picture in a very wrong way. You are making it appear as if India were against Pakistan. That is absolutely incorrect!

The provision is a matter between Pakistan and the EU. Whereas, unfair trade practices are a concern to India. India and Pakistan cannot sit and talk about it. Pakistan needs the aid, no questions about it. But when talks are held (between Pak and India), will India provide Pakistan with a substitute (for the aid)? No.

India is only trying to protect its market in the EU, by blocking an unfair practice, which, as rightly noted, can be very detrimental to the concept of free trade.

How does the EU help Pakistan, is between the EU and Pakistan. India has no business there.
 
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SAFTA was a good thing, but not getting through. India wanted transport route through Pakistan to Afghanistan, but Pakistan agreed to allow transport from Afghanistan to India not the other way, who is losing. Pakistan could have earned by providing trade access, instead India is developing infrastructure in Iran, who is benefiting.
 
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Entire world is a market. Products from every corner reach every market in search of consumers. It concerns the whole world, not just EU and Pakistan. Concession aided cheaper products of Pakistan will compete against the levied ones from other countries; it is completely unfair.

And this is exactly what i am saying...this is unfair to other markets....especially the one that are direct competitors....
 
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Here is an important input....



EU's trade body supports fight against free access to Pakistan textiles



NEW DELHI: Europe's biggest clothing and textile body, Euratex, has urged India to continue to block the EU's proposed flood relief package to Pakistan giving duty free access to textiles as it would only help a group of "highly performing" exporters and not the flood victims.

In a letter to commerce secretary Rahul Khullar on April 20, the European textile industry strongly opposed the proposal as there was no economic or humanitarian reason to giving these concessions.

"It is evident that these concessions have no humanitarian objectives and they will not help the people in the flooded areas as the textile and clothing industry of Pakistan is not located in these areas," the letter written by Euratex DG Francesco Marchi said.


Euratex represents the textile and clothing industry in all 27 member countries of the EU.

India, Bangladesh, Peru and Vietnam have blocked EU's plans of giving duty free access to 75 products, 64 of them textiles, at the World Trade Organisation.

The concessions to be given for three years are part of the EU's 900 million Euros package to Pakistan to help the economy deal with destruction caused by last year's floods. The EU needs a waiver from these countries at the WTO to pass on the concessions to Pakistan, as any such concession would be against the rules of the trade agreement that says all members have to be treated alike.

"We have already told the EU that Pakistan should be supported through direct assistance and other carefully chosen instruments that do not affect other competing countries," a commerce department official told ET.

The Indian textile industry, which stands to lose its market share in the bloc if Pakistan is waived the 6%-12% duties on textile products, is apprehensive of the pressure from both the EU and Pakistan.

"Both EU and Pakistan are working on India, since we are the only effective counterforce against the proposal as of now," D K Nair, secretary general, from the Confederation of Indian Textiles Industry (CITI) said.

The EU has sought more time from the WTO.

"The EU has said it will further refine its proposal in consultation with us and other affected members," the commerce department official said. The issue will be discussed by the WTO general council on May 3-4.

India is as of now firm it would not agree to any proposal that helps a specific industry.

Euratex has argued that the floods had no impact on the textiles and clothing industry in Pakistan which continued to serve its EU customers in a normal way in 2010.

"This is visible in the fact that overall Textile and Clothing Imports from Pakistan to the EU have increased by more than 20% in value and by almost 6% in volume between 2009 and 2010," the letter said.

For the products included in the waiver proposal, the increase in value is more than 18% for textiles and over 20% for clothing.

The increase has been much higher for some sensitive products like cotton fabrics and women's denim trousers. India's garments and textiles exports to the EU in 2009 were $5.9 billion while Pakistan's exports were worth $ 2.2 billion.

EU's trade body supports fight against free access to Pakistan textiles - The Economic Times
 
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Who will benefit the most from it. EU will get quality products from Pakistan at reduced tariff rates. Other countries have to also reduce their margins to stay competitive in this market, providing EU market with quality from these countries at reduced costs. Who is benefiting at the most.
 
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Who will benefit the most from it. EU will get quality products from Pakistan at reduced tariff rates. Other countries have to also reduce their margins to stay competitive in this market, providing EU market with quality from these countries at reduced costs. Who is benefiting at the most.

Pakistan of course.

It is not a very big amount, so in terms of quick money it will not be a great gain or grave loss to anyone. However, if put into effect, this concession will make sure Pakistani goods capture a big chunk of the market. Something that borders a monopolistic position. If Pakistan's textile industry notices this great opportunity, and successfully capitalizes on it (given the low labor costs in Pakistan, and huge share of labor based textile products in EU's economy), then it will be a bad news to the textile industries of China and the EU.

So it all depends on if this concession gets implemented, and then, whether Pakistan's textile industry capitalizes on it.

About India, it will not be a huge a loss because India and Pakistan's costs of labor are almost equal, and Indian industries are more mature and developed than those of Pakistan. So catching up will not be a big problem.

I would recommend you to go through this, it is brief, yet quite informative. Just 8 pages:

EU China Textile deal - A case study.
 
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even though I understand the principle argument GOI is making. I still feel we should help Pakistan get the EU trade deal, their economy and citizens are suffering needlessly and a growing economy will greatly help in putting the country back on track.
I'm with Pakistan on this one....

I agree to your point...what is the big deal in getting trade concessions to Pakistan. if my understanding is correct the biggest impacted nation will be BANGLADESH and Srilanka.When they are not making any significant noise then why GOI is creating it....I think India should have the economic buffer to accomodate few billion loss in the garment sector...This is a bad foreign and trade policy...
 
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Dnt know why india opposes everything we do.
Even trade........

Because if we dont oppose our traders who are engaged in the same business and directed towards the same market will be affectted. IIRC even Bangladesh is oppposed to it. Not only India.

Its just business,nothing personal.

I agree to your point...what is the big deal in getting trade concessions to Pakistan. if my understanding is correct the biggest impacted nation will be BANGLADESH and Srilanka.When they are not making any significant noise then why GOI is creating it....I think India should have the economic buffer to accomodate few billion loss in the garment sector...This is a bad foreign and trade policy...

Who said they are not making ?

http://thefinancialdaily.com/news/top-stories/india-bd-against-eu-grants-to-pak-43409.aspx

And I support India,BD on their principled stand on this issue.

If the EU wants to suppport Pakistan well and good let them support it monetarily.But giving trade concession is like essentially making the common Indian,Bangladeshi trader subsidize their good will.Clever move by the Europeans in the first place. They want to help, but they will not pay for it. Instead give trade concessions and make Indian,Bangladeshi trader pay for it.

Already this LDC quota given to BD is destroying our industry and alllowing this one to happen will be disastorous.
 
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even though I understand the principle argument GOI is making. I still feel we should help Pakistan get the EU trade deal, their economy and citizens are suffering needlessly and a growing economy will greatly help in putting the country back on track.
I'm with Pakistan on this one....

I am interested in what goes in my stomach then in my neighbor. Why we do our own loss ,EU should give pakistan aid in cash.Citizen of india is also suffering and i think you have forgetting 26/11.

IF PAKISTAN HAS MONEY TO BUILT 110+ NUKE THEN THEY CERTAINLY HAVE MONEY TO FEED THEIR PEOPLE.
 
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Once again the baby is crying for no damn reason... why don't you just mind you own dam business india.. plus these sort actions are not gona lead to peace then why act as a double agent either do the right thing mind your own damn business and let us be or stick to your hateful ways jerks...
THIS DEAL AFFECT INDIA OWN TRADE WITH EU THATS WHY INDIA OPPOSING IT.THIS IS OUR BUSINESS WE HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH PAKISTAN.
 
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even though I understand the principle argument GOI is making. I still feel we should help Pakistan get the EU trade deal, their economy and citizens are suffering needlessly and a growing economy will greatly help in putting the country back on track.
I'm with Pakistan on this one....

So out of your benevolence you are ready to employ unethical means?

I would so like to watch you say exactly the same words to those textile mill laborers in India who'll lose their jobs because of this concession. When those people go out of job, and get on the streets, then it will be you, who will not remember your own support for such practices and blame the government for sudden increase in unemployment.

I agree to your point...what is the big deal in getting trade concessions to Pakistan.

Indian textile exporters will lose their ground in Europe that they recently gained after the EU reluctantly changed its protectionist policies. Every country is busy protecting its interests, what is wrong with you?


if my understanding is correct the biggest impacted nation will be BANGLADESH and Srilanka.When they are not making any significant noise then why GOI is creating it....I think India should have the economic buffer to accomodate few billion loss in the garment sector...This is a bad foreign and trade policy...

Your understanding is incorrect. Biggest losers will be Italia, Germany, China, the UK, and India - in that order.

And no, India (not even the US) does not have billions as buffer to cushion the losses it could incur in garment industry. Business and Economy are not bank accounts. They run like a circle, and even a very small cut can break this circle and bring everything tumbling down. And it is less about the amount noted in the article, it is more about the capturing of the market. Once lost, it is very, very hard to recapture.
 
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