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'India only gives moral support to Balochistan'

so funny you are

do you know how many bd peoples were killed by Pakistani army and raped bd women

No one knows how many civilians were killed by Pakistani army or by Mukti Bahini killing their fellow Bengalis with Indian help. There is a correlation of rape between BD and Kashmir as well as genocide. But it only fits with India as the transgressor.
 
Well their is no proof of your claim

but these days whole world talking about Pakistani terrorism you forgate that ????

The whole world also talked about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq so leave the whole world.
 
omg .... Now I understand the difference between knowing English and being educated :)

Thank You Areesh!

So it is necessary to malign ISI to be educated an literate. Very strange definition of literacy you have.:disagree:
 
This should end!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GOP should take a f,,kin decision n go for it.

Return the favour with interest.
 
Absolutely welcome. Just dont cry about Balochistan later. And you have tried your version of moral support in Kashmir and we have tried ours in East Pakistan. Going by our records, we are more successful at it. What does that tell you about an independent Balochistan and its prospects?

Track record? HaHaHa :rofl:

I have to deflate your smugness shred your post to pieces

Where should I start?
1. Partition? The creation of independent state of Pakistan on the bases of their democratic choice and human right. That is the fact that fascist maha bharat shouting zealots are still finding hard to come terms to. Pathetic for India that a country which is 1/5th of its size is able to refuse Indian Hegemony? Every moment of existence of Pakistan is a slap on the face of Maha-Bharat lunacy.

2. Freedom struggles
within India. Kashmiris, Sikhs, Naxils and many more show the same dismay towards the Indian state so there is symmetry that people are fed up with Indian state.

3. Neighbouring relations. There is not even a single country which doesn’t have border, water or political dispute of the over bearing & opportunist India be it Bangladesh, be it land locked Nepal which is coerced into trading with India & any attempt by that poor state for direct trade with other nations is frowned upon by Delhi.

4. Bangladesh? Oh you say that breaking up Pakistan is to Indian’s credit? Well it has more to do with the desire of the Bengalis to be independent it was going to happen anyway with or without the Indian help. For the sake of track record Bangladesh should have rejoined with India, but it became an independent state, strengthening the argument for partition. What is more both Pakistan & Bangladesh enjoy far closer ties than India wants. Our military exchanges officers which is a testament of our friendship.


5. LTTE.
Lets talk about the Indian intervention in Sirilanka, its fight against LLTE (which it was originally supporting) its losses against the tigers & eventual humiliating withdrawal and eventual loss of a former prime minister is hardly a track record worth aspiring to.

6. 1962 war. Dare I mention this war? Or the so called “track record” doesn’t apply here? The kind of humiliation India had lives today after loosing thousands of troops and land to China. The usual intervention & subversive activities of Indians in Tibet backfired so badly that from that day Indian decided only to take on other countries that are much smaller in size.


7. Balochistan
Don’t shed crocodile tears for Balochis. This is no war of independence it is a tribal conflict of few sardars of Mari & bughti tribes that has taken a form of a sustained insurgencies thanks to the Indian “cultural centres” along the Afghan borders.
It is nothing but outright arrogance & selfish thugary of these tribal chiefs who don’t want development or exploration in their areas because it means prosperity, education & improvement in the quality of life of the people under them which can result in weakening of their stranglehold on those poor Balochs. Their so called independence struggle is as bona fide as those of the Rwandan, Somalian or Cambodian warlords.

The BLA terrorists are the biggest killers of the very own people they claim to represent. Many Baloch tribes and families have had to seek refuge in Sindh & Punjab because they refused to accept the dictates of these sardars. The same Punjabis are giving shelter to these poor people that the terrorists (with the Indian moral support of weapons & money) are busy killing. Someone tell me that how killing university professors, journalists and doctors and destroying schools or dispensary falls in the category of interdependence or struggle for rights?


Brahamdagh Bugti can travel on Indian passports or can oversee the training & funding of the terrorists in the “Indian cultural” centres along the uninhabited & remote areas of Pak Afghan border but he will have the same fate like Akbar Bughti and Prabhakaran of LLTE. The Indian conspiracy was successful in Bangladesh because of its remoteness from the rest of Pakistan but that’s not the case with Balochistan.

Conclusion It is high time that India gives more attention to the plight of ethnic & religious minorities if it wants to prove it self to be the biggest democracy of the world. Leave Balochistan to its people. The current terrorism in Balochistan is more about the self interest of some Baloch tribal Chiefs where the state has refused to allow them to continue to extort, blackmail & threaten the private and public companies operating in the area. India should spare few tears for the Dalits, Muslims & Christians that continue to fall victim to the |Hindu extremist organisations.
 
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Track record? HaHaHa :rofl:

I have to deflate your smugness shred your post to pieces

Where should I start?
1. Partition? The creation of independent state of Pakistan on the bases of their democratic choice and human right. That is the fact that fascist maha bharat shouting zealots are still finding hard to come terms to. Pathetic for India that a country which is 1/5th of its size is able to refuse Indian Hegemony? Every moment of existence of Pakistan is a slap on the face of Maha-Bharat lunacy.
Using term fascist clearly explains what knowledge you have about the partition.

For brushing off that hearsay stories propagated among your circles,i'd recommend you to watch a Najam Sethi's talk on the partition.
Also read Jaswant Singh's book "Jinnah, Partition and Independence"
I won't go deep on this partition issue as only 3 days ago your nation became 63 and the next day my nation.The issue of partition is obsolete.


2. Freedom struggles
within India. Kashmiris, Shiekhs, Naxils and many more show the same dismay towards the Indian state so there is symmetry that people are fed up with Indian state.

Shieks? didn't know Arabs were claiming our land :D,if you meant Sikhs you can ask some the Indian Sikh members here on that issue.

Naxils? :rolleyes: For the zillionth time and again ,the Naxals and Maoist want to change the Govt not separate from India.

3. Neighbouring relations. There is not even a single country which doesn’t have border, water or political dispute of the over bearing & opportunist India be it Bangladesh, be it land locked Nepal which is coerced into trading with India & any attempt by that poor state for direct trade with other nations is frowned upon by Delhi.
Its a colonial legacy,We didn't choose those lines drawn on the map.We just accepted them.

Anyway,I"ll agree with your statement on Nepal(mostly on military sales).Nepal-India is analogous to Pakistan-Afghanistan relation.But unlike you we don't continue to misuse our role we have for Nepal.

4. Bangladesh? Oh you say that breaking up Pakistan is to Indian’s credit? Well it has more to do with the desire of the Bengalis to be independent it was going to happen anyway with or without the Indian help. For the sake of track record Bangladesh should have rejoined with India, but it became an independent state, strengthening the argument for partition. What is more both Pakistan & Bangladesh enjoy far closer ties than India wants. Our military exchanges officers which is a testament of our friendship.
Without Indian military intervention Bangladesh would have been a dead end like independent Baluchistan or LTTE's ambitions, of course the desire of Bengalis was the primary catalyst and promoter.


5. LTTE.
Lets talk about the Indian intervention in Sirilanka, its fight against LLTE (which it was originally supporting) its losses against the tigers & eventual humiliating withdrawal and eventual loss of a former prime minister is hardly a track record worth aspiring to.
Yes!We learnt from our mistakes of how supporting separatists like Kachin rebels or LTTE has consequences in bilateral relations also more importantly the impact on our own soil.However,unlike us some of your military and ISI people still continue to think of LET and Taliban as a strategic asset.


6. 1962 war. Dare I mention this war? Or the so called “track record” doesn’t apply here? The kind of humiliation India had lives today after loosing thousands of troops and land to China. The usual intervention & subversive activities of Indians in Tibet backfired so badly that from that day Indian decided only to take on other countries that are much smaller in size.
Only people of your nation who have deficiency, when it comes to military triumphs regarding India ,and derive immense pleasure from India's defeat.you seek to associate with 1962 and brand it as "humiliation".We paid a price for underestimating our enemy then.But the lessons learnt are clearly visible in future military encounters 1967,1971,1984,1987,1999.Besides,where do you get your info from?telepathic connection with Ahmed qurashi and Zaid Hamid?India recognized Tibet in 1953 aslo there were no territorial changes after 1962 war.



7. Balochistan
Don’t shed crocodile tears for Balochis. This is no war of independence it is a tribal conflict of few sardars of Mari & bughti tribes that has taken a form of a sustained insurgencies thanks to the Indian “cultural centres” along the Afghan borders.
It is nothing but outright arrogance & selfish thugary of these tribal chiefs who don’t want development or exploration in their areas because it means prosperity, education & improvement in the quality of life of the people under them which can result in weakening of their stranglehold on those poor Balochs. Their so called independence struggle is as bona fide as those of the Rwandan, Somalian or Cambodian warlords.
Baluchistan is just a backup for India.In case your nation pulls military stunt like 1965 on Kashmir again,We"ll do the same in Baluchistan.

The BLA terrorists are the biggest killers of the very own people they claim to represent. Many Baloch tribes and families have had to seek refuge in Sindh & Punjab because they refused to accept the dictates of these sardars. The same Punjabis are giving shelter to these poor people that the terrorists (with the Indian moral support of weapons & money) are busy killing. Someone tell me that how killing university professors, journalists and doctors and destroying schools or dispensary falls in the category of interdependence or struggle for rights?
As a Balochi you must know more about what you"re talking,my statement regarding Baluchistan is already mentioned above..


Brahamdagh Bugti can travel on Indian passports or can oversee the training & funding of the terrorists in the “Indian cultural” centres along the uninhabited & remote areas of Pak Afghan border but he will have the same fate like Akbar Bughti and Prabhakaran of LLTE. The Indian conspiracy was successful in Bangladesh because of its remoteness from the rest of Pakistan but that’s not the case with Balochistan.

Just be happy that Bangladesh is not your neighbour or you'd be having serious trouble(proxy wars,territorial disputes,bad relations,genocide claims,war crime trials etc) with them since 1971 and with Indian support ensuring nothing radical can take place the issue will continue to be a headache for the Pak Govt.Like you said "that’s not the case with Balochistan".:cool:

Also,I"ll admit Indian presence is there in Baluchistan but not involvement.Even that you"ve not been able to prove to the world.

Conclusion It is high time that India gives more attention to the plight of ethnic & religious minorities if it wants to prove it self to be the biggest democracy of the world. Leave Balochistan to its people. The current terrorism in Balochistan is more about the self interest of some Baloch tribal Chiefs where the state has refused to allow them to continue to extort, blackmail & threaten the private and public companies operating in the area. India should spare few tears for the Dalits, Muslims & Christians that continue to fall victim to the |Hindu extremist organisations.
Judging your conclusion even on 93rd August 14th .your notion of evil Brahmin Hindu India will continue remain firmly cemented just as it is today.

PS:On the whole,if the point of your post was to prove where your loyalty lies to fellow Pakistani members then just ignore my post.Good for you.
 
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Where should I start?
1. Partition? The creation of independent state of Pakistan on the bases of their democratic choice and human right. That is the fact that fascist maha bharat shouting zealots are still finding hard to come terms to. Pathetic for India that a country which is 1/5th of its size is able to refuse Indian Hegemony? Every moment of existence of Pakistan is a slap on the face of Maha-Bharat lunacy.

Partition - a slap on the face of Maha-Bharat..:lol:
There is not a day that leaves without me thanking God for Partition.
It was one of the best things to have happened to India in a long long time.Think hard..u ll know why



2. Freedom struggles[/B] within India. Kashmiris, Shiekhs, Naxils and many more show the same dismay towards the Indian state so there is symmetry that people are fed up with Indian state.

Naxals - freedom struggle??No offence but please justify the title of Think Tank.And as for the Sikhs why dont u ask them wat they feel..? (the ones in India ..Not the ones in Canada)


3. Neighbouring relations. There is not even a single country which doesn’t have border, water or political dispute of the over bearing & opportunist India be it Bangladesh, be it land locked Nepal which is coerced into trading with India & any attempt by that poor state for direct trade with other nations is frowned upon by Delhi.

I can simply dispute u by saying that Bhutan and Maldives are there.But that s not the point.And where did u get the notion Nepal was coerced into trading with India.?? Ahmed Qureshi.?

4. Bangladesh? Oh you say that breaking up Pakistan is to Indian’s credit? Well it has more to do with the desire of the Bengalis to be independent it was going to happen anyway with or without the Indian help. For the sake of track record Bangladesh should have rejoined with India, but it became an independent state, strengthening the argument for partition. What is more both Pakistan & Bangladesh enjoy far closer ties than India wants. Our military exchanges officers which is a testament of our friendship.

Bombensturm answered it well.If we had not intervened it would have become another Balochistan - rebels silently bombed out of existence and we would have plenty of Razakars to pretend as if nothing happened.


5. LTTE.
Lets talk about the Indian intervention in Sirilanka, its fight against LLTE (which it was originally supporting) its losses against the tigers & eventual humiliating withdrawal and eventual loss of a former prime minister is hardly a track record worth aspiring to.

Loosing our PM...do u know why..? we went to bring peace to a troubled country (even though it went wrong).Our intentions were good there.Until RAW supported LTTE,Srilankan Army could do Jackshyt against them.


6. 1962 war. Dare I mention this war? Or the so called “track record” doesn’t apply here? The kind of humiliation India had lives today after loosing thousands of troops and land to China. The usual intervention & subversive activities of Indians in Tibet backfired so badly that from that day Indian decided only to take on other countries that are much smaller in size.

No offtopic.Talk abt the Indo-Pak wars only if ur a Pakistani..not abt the Indo-China War.
Also 90000 POW didn come in the 1962 war.

Also google abt the "Chola incident".


7. Balochistan
Don’t shed crocodile tears for Balochis. This is no war of independence it is a tribal conflict of few sardars of Mari & bughti tribes that has taken a form of a sustained insurgencies thanks to the Indian “cultural centres” along the Afghan borders.
It is nothing but outright arrogance & selfish thugary of these tribal chiefs who don’t want development or exploration in their areas because it means prosperity, education & improvement in the quality of life of the people under them which can result in weakening of their stranglehold on those poor Balochs. Their so called independence struggle is as bona fide as those of the Rwandan, Somalian or Cambodian warlords.

The BLA terrorists are the biggest killers of the very own people they claim to represent. Many Baloch tribes and families have had to seek refuge in Sindh & Punjab because they refused to accept the dictates of these sardars. The same Punjabis are giving shelter to these poor people that the terrorists (with the Indian moral support of weapons & money) are busy killing. Someone tell me that how killing university professors, journalists and doctors and destroying schools or dispensary falls in the category of interdependence or struggle for rights?


Brahamdagh Bugti can travel on Indian passports or can oversee the training & funding of the terrorists in the “Indian cultural” centres along the uninhabited & remote areas of Pak Afghan border but he will have the same fate like Akbar Bughti and Prabhakaran of LLTE. The Indian conspiracy was successful in Bangladesh because of its remoteness from the rest of Pakistan but that’s not the case with Balochistan.

All this can be said abt the ppl whom u classify as "Freedom Fighters" also.And if our track record is so poor as u allege..why worrying abt it..

Serioulsy i dont understand this business - U do wat u can do..we ll do wat we can do..Let the last man standing win.

And I ve asked many times to many : show proof Brahamdah Bugti travels on indian Passports.



Conclusion It is high time that India gives more attention to the plight of ethnic & religious minorities if it wants to prove it self to be the biggest democracy of the world. Leave Balochistan to its people. The current terrorism in Balochistan is more about the self interest of some Baloch tribal Chiefs where the state has refused to allow them to continue to extort, blackmail & threaten the private and public companies operating in the area. India should spare few tears for the Dalits, Muslims & Christians that continue to fall victim to the |Hindu extremist organisations.

Yeah u leave out the Kashmiris,Dalits,muslims and concentrate on the Shias,Ahmedis,Christians,Sikhs,hindus on ur country and prevent the word "kaafir" being written on the dead body of a hindu Pakistani
 
Yes!We learnt from our mistakes of how cultivating separatists like Kachin rebels or LTTE has consequences in bilateral relations also more importantly the impact on our own soil.However,unlike us some of your military and ISI people still continue to think of LET and Taliban as a strategic asset.



Only people of your nation who have deficiency, when it comes to military triumphs regarding India ,and derive immense pleasure from India's defeat.you seek to associate with 1962 and brand it as "humiliation".We paid a price for underestimating our enemy

you learnt from your mistakes? I am only merely showing the mirror my son and secondly I hardly see the evidence of learning. what are these so called cultrual centres/ cousalates doing along the Afghan Border?


PS:On the whole,if the point of your post was to prove where your loyalty lies to fellow Pakistani members then just ignore my post.Good for you.


Son of mine... I am a Pakistani ok? so thats where my loyalties lie. talking about History you might want to look up how the Baloch Regiment saved tens of thousands of Muslims from the Hindu fanatics during the patition.

And it contuinues today that the Sons of Pakistan from balochistan protect it from enemies within and outside. my friend Ali Mugsi ( a Baloch) gave his life defending Pakistan.

by the way, the terrorists you are threatening me with have a very short shelf life. they are largely rejected by us and our security forces are taking a good care of them.
 
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what are these so called cultrual centres/ cousalates doing along the Afghan Border?

You can ask the Afghan Govt to answer that question,the day you take the sovereignty of Afghanistan seriously.

By the way,why are Pakistanis so touchy about Indian presence in Afghanistan?

Who are you to question us about our consulates in other nations?:angry:

Like i said earlier Afghanistan is one of our older allies and we"ll open as many consulates anywhere within Afghan border we think are necessary and most importantly if the Afghan Govt approves of.

Son of mine... I am a Pakistani ok? so thats where my loyalties lie. talking about History you might want to look up how the Baloch Regiment saved tens of thousands of Muslims from the Hindu fanatics during the patition.

And it contuinues today that the Sons of Pakistan from balochistan protect it from enemies within and outside. my friend Ali Mugsi ( a Baloch) gave his life defending Pakistan.

by the way, the terrorists you are threatening me with have a very short shelf life. they are largely rejected by us and our security forces are taking a good care of them.

I"ll be the last person to read this chunk of your post.Balochi movement is an internal matter of Pakistan.Until Pakistan makes a military or an overt attempt for Kashmir independence,the issue of Baluchistan will remain dormant.:wave:
 
What is the prob here ?

Giving ' moral ' support is something India seems to have learnt fro the 'moral' support Pak gives to its East.

All good so far.
 
you are saying to stop even we did not start till now think how will will be if India start your own game

well i hope Pakistan should understand if they don't stop there support to theorist then we have to repeat the history one more time

Balochistan’s case is no way near to East Pakistan. There are small incidents which have been shown as a so called freedom movement. India has more to lose if you ignite this war. History tells you that your 1971 adventure didn’t become beneficial for you as you still have hostile Bangladesh in your East.

There are more freedom movements in India as compared to just one so called in Balochistan (which is without public support) and your these acts will increase your problems from West, East, North and South.

I doubt your agents can survive for a longer period in Afghanistan as they already are being eliminated by the real Talibans.
 

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