India, not Kashmir, is Lashkar's true goal: US congressman

[lhuang]

No, First, chinese never call south tibet AP. Second, he said chinese think pakistani is our best friend is officall saying and common chinese dont think pakistani much better than inidan is totally fake. Anybody can understand chinese will know that in chinese BBS they talk pakistan and india in very different way. Third, he said he can speak chinese but cant write. But the fact is chinese is a language if you can speak you can write is using computer bcoz of PINYIN. And it is not need to talk him using PINYIN, bcoz I dont wanna him to be so abashed. Dont you think I am very merciful?

You are a ******* moron, most Chinese people here attend Chinese school in the weekend, its to learn about Chinese heritage and language for people that grow up outside of China. I didn't go to it as a child and when I moved to Perth to go to uni I had no interest in it. I used to live up north, where my father worked as a mines engineer.

I can't write the script of Mandarin because I have not doing it for a LONG TIME. I CAN STILL SPEAK IT BECAUSE I SPEAK IT AT HOME. I HAVEN'T LEARNT PINYIN, MY PARENTS DON'T LIKE CHINA AND THAT IS WHY THEY MOVED AWAY FROM IT. BUT I'm trying to maintain some sort of links back to where I came from.

Don't try to preach some superior moral ground, there is absolutely nothing to Pakistan for China other than strategic balance for India. Don't pretend to be 'friends' with Pakistanis, you don't know the majority of them. Most of the ones I know, are thuglike 'gangsta' type people and don't even like Chinese people and call us chinks.

I don't visit forums other than militaryphotos, worldaffairsboard, defence.pk and bharat-rakshak I don't know about Chinese bulletin boards.

And ask any of the Indian people here, do they really think that India will ever get back Pakistani Kashmir or Aksai Chin?

Chinapakistan: You're pretty much saying that unless I believe what you believe, I am not Chinese. That's like saying, unless someone is tall, muscular he's not male.

 

[toxic_pus]

"It’s no surprise coming from a lawmaker (Gary Ackerman) who heads the Indian caucus on Capitol Hill and has received India’s third highest civilian award, the Padma Bhushan."

And what award did we confer on Mr Tellis? Some of his comments:

'There is no doubt in my mind that we have to find ways to resolve the issues relating to Kashmir. But I think resolving Kashmir is not going to solve the problems relating to LeT'

'I always find it interesting that the people conducting the murder and mayhem (in the Valley) today are not Kashmiri. The people who actually are deprived of all their political rights, they are not conducting the murder and mayhem'

'The murder and mayhem is being conducted by groups that have absolutely no connections to Kashmir. To my mind that is story, the fact that this is a group that has operations in 21 countries, that has an ideology that is completely anti-western, that is opposed to modernity and secularism and all the kinds of values that we take for granted. This group is not going to be satisfied by dealing with the issue of Kashmir'

 

[equiliz3r]

You are a ******* moron, most Chinese people here attend Chinese school in the weekend, its to learn about Chinese heritage and language for people that grow up outside of China. I didn't go to it as a child and when I moved to Perth to go to uni I had no interest in it. I used to live up north, where my father worked as a mines engineer.

I can't write the script of Mandarin because I have not doing it for a LONG TIME. I CAN STILL SPEAK IT BECAUSE I SPEAK IT AT HOME. I HAVEN'T LEARNT PINYIN, MY PARENTS DON'T LIKE CHINA AND THAT IS WHY THEY MOVED AWAY FROM IT. BUT I'm trying to maintain some sort of links back to where I came from.

Don't try to preach some superior moral ground, there is absolutely nothing to Pakistan for China other than strategic balance for India. Don't pretend to be 'friends' with Pakistanis, you don't know the majority of them. Most of the ones I know, are thuglike 'gangsta' type people and don't even like Chinese people.

I don't visit forums other than militaryphotos, worldaffairsboard, defence.pk and bharat-rakshak I don't know about Chinese bulletin boards.

mate you need no explain anything to anybody.
If you are not member of 50 cent party thats ur good luck.

 

[chinapakistan]

You are a ******* moron, most Chinese people here attend Chinese school in the weekend, its to learn about Chinese heritage and language for people that grow up outside of China. I didn't go to it as a child and when I moved to Perth to go to uni I had no interest in it. I used to live up north, where my father worked as a mines engineer.

I can't write the script of Mandarin because I have not doing it for a LONG TIME. I CAN STILL SPEAK IT BECAUSE I SPEAK IT AT HOME. I HAVEN'T LEARNT PINYIN, MY PARENTS DON'T LIKE CHINA AND THAT IS WHY THEY MOVED AWAY FROM IT. BUT I'm trying to maintain some sort of links back to where I came from.

Don't try to preach some superior moral ground, there is absolutely nothing to Pakistan for China other than strategic balance for India. Don't pretend to be 'friends' with Pakistanis, you don't know the majority of them. Most of the ones I know, are thuglike 'gangsta' type people and don't even like Chinese people.

I don't visit forums other than militaryphotos, worldaffairsboard, defence.pk and bharat-rakshak I don't know about Chinese bulletin boards.

And ask any of the Indian people here, do they really think that India will ever get back Pakistani Kashmir or Aksai Chin?

Chinapakistan: You're pretty much saying that unless I believe what you believe, I am not Chinese. That's like saying, unless someone is tall, muscular he's not male.

I cant stop laughing. I have said that chinese is a lauguage which if you can speak you can write it using computer bcoz PINYIN, if you dont know PINYIN you even cant pronunce chinese. Chinese are different from other language. And I would glag teach you some PINYIN.
san ge jiu san ge bei, zhuang shen me da yi ba lang a? By the way, it cannt not be translate using google translater. Byt the way, can you tell me what is chinese script? So funny, cant stop laughing. By the way again, every one who can speak chinese knows PINYIN, even illetary people, bcoz without knowing it they cant speak.

BTW: It seems you strongly wanna be a chinese, I suggest you ask chinese govt, maybe they will give you a special visa.

 

[DeathGod]

BTW: It seems you strongly wanna be a chinese, I suggest you ask chinese govt, maybe they will give you a special visa.

I dont know about the fella you're talking about but you should definitely be banned or should stop what you are doing. Taking your damn antics out of this thread and fight this personal battle somewhere else. Why do you want to spoil every thread with it. Its the second or third thread where you are BSing . If you arent even willing to listen to other's opinion then dont and if you are so worried about someone's nationality Sherlock Holmes then please go and practice your detective skills in the real world. Damn your posts leave a bad taste in my mouth. Ahhhh Thooooo.....

@Topic

Some very valid points. I have always wondered what would our world be like had Kargil not being there or maybe if our govt. had responded in like as Musharaff.

As far as LeT goes then it can go to hell. I feel we shouldnt talk so much about these terrorist factions , it only gives them unneccesary popularity.

 

[Cheetah786]

http://img51.imageshack.us/i/telliscolormedium.jpg/

Ashley J. Tellis is a senior associate at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, specializing in international security, defense, and Asian strategic issues. While on assignment to the U.S. Department of State as senior adviser to the Undersecretary of State for Political Affairs, he was intimately involved in negotiating the civil nuclear agreement with India.

Previously he was commissioned into the Foreign Service and served as senior adviser to the ambassador at the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi. He also served on the National Security Council staff as special assistant to the President and senior director for Strategic Planning and Southwest Asia.

Prior to his government service, Tellis was senior policy analyst at the RAND Corporation and professor of Policy Analysis at the RAND Graduate School.

He is the author of India’s Emerging Nuclear Posture (2001) and co-author of Interpreting China’s Grand Strategy: Past, Present, and Future (2000). He is the research director of the Strategic Asia program at NBR and co-editor of the six most recent annual volumes, including this year’s Strategic Asia 2009–10: Economic Meltdown and Geopolitical Stability. In addition to numerous Carnegie and RAND reports, his academic publications have appeared in many edited volumes and journals. He is frequently called to testify before Congress.

Tellis is a member of several professional organizations related to defense and international studies including the Council on Foreign Relations, the International Institute of Strategic Studies, the United States Naval Institute, and the Navy League of the United States.


Areas of Expertise
Tellis is an expert in non-proliferation, U.S. foreign policy, U.S. national security, South Asia, India, Pakistan, and China.

Education
B.A., M.A.; University of Bombay; M.A., Ph.D., The University of Chicago

A Indian advising Americans on Kashmir issue yeah who can see that not being Biased.

 

[dvk1982]

N Second, he said chinese think pakistani is our best friend is officall saying and common chinese dont think pakistani much better than inidan is totally fake.

dude.. this is COMPLETE BS without any question.

Now some people might view pakistan is a gud friend some might have no Opinion whatsoever...

I have had the opportunity to talk to 2 chinese friends when at school. THey never ever had any better view of pakistan as Chinas friend or for that matter any Key ally nation to china. Only thing that comes to their mind was why india -pakistan fight each other and the war on terror.

Now coming back to ur argument, If i say "all chinese are like this , which is, being indifferent to pakistan" i wud be wrong... at the same time if u pass those categorical statements - it's uncalled for or tryng to impress pakistanis here. Pakistan is a big story for India not for china. May be politically awakened people might know more abt china-pak relationship but no need for soo much emotion here.....

ANd for Indians, China-Pak relation is more of a strategic balance of china trying to contain India using it's old foe. If u dont believe it no problem. but just to make a point - China never had any issue with Kashmir till 1961-62 even when pakistan was making strong assertions in UN on gaining control of kashmir. China made a u -turn when India started giving asylum to Dalai lama and his scores of followers against chinese wish. And the rest is a story....

 

[zeus]

LET time again said that even if Kashmir gets its freedom or goes under Pakistani control they will keep targeting India because they have other several other reasons to keep there organization running ,while for the Chinese guy ask admin to run a ip check ,its that simple

 

[chinapakistan]

dude.. this is COMPLETE BS without any question.

Now some people might view pakistan is a gud friend some might have no Opinion whatsoever...

I have had the opportunity to talk to 2 chinese friends when at school. THey never ever had any better view of pakistan as Chinas friend or for that matter any Key ally nation to china. Only thing that comes to their mind was why india -pakistan fight each other and the war on terror.

Now coming back to ur argument, If i say "all chinese are like this , which is, being indifferent to pakistan" i wud be wrong... at the same time if u pass those categorical statements - it's uncalled for or tryng to impress pakistanis here. Pakistan is a big story for India not for china. May be politically awakened people might know more abt china-pak relationship but no need for soo much emotion here.....

ANd for Indians, China-Pak relation is more of a strategic balance of china trying to contain India using it's old foe. If u dont believe it no problem. but just to make a point - China never had any issue with Kashmir till 1961-62 even when pakistan was making strong assertions in UN on gaining control of kashmir. China made a u -turn when India started giving asylum to Dalai lama and his scores of followers against chinese wish. And the rest is a story....

If he was a chinese I have no problem about listening the different voice, but he is deffinately a south asian guy who pretend to be a chinese, this should be stop. I think manybe next time, he should say he is a chinese but cant read, listen, speak chinese, maybe it is a smart way for a person to pretend a chinese without any idea with chinese. And I think you are wrong, if you can understand chinese you will know that in chinese BBS, we are talking pakistan and india in the very different way. And about you two chinese friend, I have no commments. If I say I aslo have several indian friend and they told me south tibet should be apart of china, I think you will not believe it. Simple logic.

 

[topjumper]

Well I think Lei Huang (or Huang Lei?) may not may not be of chinese by ethnicity, but that's of little practical importance, the unfortunate fact is he is a little far removed with the geopolitical struggles that China has as a nation judging by the comments he made.

Don't get me wrong -- I totally understand where your view comes from, you wish India, China can have a trustworthy and friendly relation which I totally agree and have always tried to advocate on this forum, but I really wish you can study a bit more about the historical development between India, Pakistan and China since the 50s and try to understand the national interests of China, (which, I think you know little of since you've been away from it for so long).

India and China have border disputes through the legacies of the British empire (and the weakness of the Qing empire towards the end of its days, look up on Mcmahon line), but it's not a reason for both countries to go to war with each other and there are increasing trades and co-operations between the two, you will only see the trend continue for mutual benefits. I said this elsewhere before and I'll say it again -- when both sides see enough benefits with each other than without, the border disputes will be eventually settled peacefully, just look at what China did with Russia and the rest of the neighbors. (I think the same of Taiwan btw.)

China and Pakistan's relation goes way back, Henry Kissinger's first visit to China and ultimately laid out the foundations for Nixon's visit to China was done through Pakistan, and Pakistan is a geographically important link for China's connection to europe via Iran, our access to the indian ocean (look up Gwadar port) for China's trades and resources supplies, a trusted neighbor that does not fall into the US containment camp, that's why these two countries are on very good terms with each other and support each other on international policies, don't use your encounters with some Pakistani descent "thugs" in oz to deduce that Pakistanis hate the Chinese (i.e. you) and form your personal opinions as facts on a public forum. I have both indian and pakistani friends, I don't go around make or not make friends with someone because his/her nationality, it's irrelevant, we are talking about international politics here and the struggles of all three countries to co-develop through the historical legacies and the new.

You or your parents may have chosen to tie your/their future with Australia and that's fair enough, it's a personal choice. I've lived both in the US and Europe and my girlfriend is Irish, but at my heart I always felt my Chinese identity and have chosen not to get a foreign passport and tie my future with China, hence my interests to observe the development and struggles of my country, if you feel the same then I highly recommend you to study the Chinese a bit more -- we are lucky enough to be living in very interesting times and the success or failure of China's strategic policies will have profound impacts, if we play our cards right then we might witness the transformation of a country in our life times from despair to prosperity and improve billions of peoples lives along the way, it'll be a great story to tell in history and we are living it.

(I wish there is an indian flag here as well cos I'd be happy to raise it! the future is in Asia and we should work together to make sure it happens, start with trade (a.k.a money ).

 

[Hulk]

I agree infact LeT has made it difficult to solve Kashmir. What motivation India has to solve Kashmir if terror will still be on.

 

[dvk1982]

And about you two chinese friend, I have no commments. If I say I aslo have several indian friend and they told me south tibet should be apart of china, I think you will not believe it. Simple logic.

Do u think u r trying to score some point ? If u dont understand or dont try to understand, just say so... i dont have patience to repeat what I said....

"Now coming back to ur argument, If i say "all chinese are like this , which is, being indifferent to pakistan" i wud be wrong... at the same time if u pass those categorical statements - it's uncalled for or tryng to impress pakistanis here."

I clearly said i can't draw conclusions by drawing 2 examples but at the same time common chinese hardly knows India forget abt pakistan and how important it is to china.... gud luck pleasing ur pakistani frnds here... But u may still argue how imp pakistan is to chinese govt.

By the way, I never said my 2 frnds had any views against AP or aksai chin or sth. I simply said they dont have any view on pakistan (indifferent) or more bluntly put- DON"t CARE and they seem very educated. AGAIN, I am not trying to generalize.

On a lighter note- UR FRIENDSHIP ISN"T LEGENDARY UNLIKE OUR ANIMOSITY (indo-pak)

P.S> Plz comprehend everything before u try to counter it ... Nobdy wants to repeat...

 

[chinapakistan]

By the way, I never said my 2 frnds had any views against AP or aksai chin or sth. I simply said they dont have any view on pakistan (indifferent) or more bluntly put- DON"t CARE and they seem very educated. AGAIN, I am not trying to generalize.

On a lighter note- UR FRIENDSHIP ISN"T LEGENDARY UNLIKE OUR ANIMOSITY (indo-pak)

P.S> Plz comprehend everything before u try to counter it ... Nobdy wants to repeat...

I never said all chinese love pakistan, what I said is "Anybody can understand chinese will know that in chinese BBS they talk pakistan and india in very different way." About in what different way, I think you will not like it. And this is the common sense in chinese BBS whether you like or not. And my point is that fake chinese guy's words like "common chinese bla bla" is wrong. He have no idea with chinese and chinese common sense. By the way, about why pakistan is important to china, I suggest you read the other thread in this forum. Leaving our friendship, there are many reason like provide stable oil tranfer root from middile east and provide navy base to indian ocean and etc.

 

[SinoIndusFriendship]

I cant stop laughing. I have said that chinese is a lauguage which if you can speak you can write it using computer bcoz PINYIN, if you dont know PINYIN you even cant pronunce chinese. Chinese are different from other language. And I would glag teach you some PINYIN.
san ge jiu san ge bei, zhuang shen me da yi ba lang a? By the way, it cannt not be translate using google translater. Byt the way, can you tell me what is chinese script? So funny, cant stop laughing. By the way again, every one who can speak chinese knows PINYIN, even illetary people, bcoz without knowing it they cant speak.

BTW: It seems you strongly wanna be a chinese, I suggest you ask chinese govt, maybe they will give you a special visa.

China only issues this special visa to Kashmiris.

 

[ice_man]

He's not having a divergent view. He's the only one who's being logical. The only one trying to make sense. The rest are from 50 cent party trying to make a few dollah's.

You had your best chance to take Kashmir between 1947-1971. Now it's all wet dreams and wishful thinking.

China knows they will never have AP, but Pakistan refuses to acknowledge they can never have Kashmir ..At what cost ?

ohh the "LOGIC" great logic to an indian! why don't i give you the logic that kashmir is like a heavy weight tied to india inorder to surge ahead economically why not just give kashmir the promised plebiscite that your NEHRU promised and hence we stopped the whole take over of kashmir in 1947!!!

the problem with indians is that they are unable to take their recent success modestly! for 50 years india was a bloated country going nowhere!!! and in the last decade things turned around for india BUT the indians can't handle newly found success!