India Not Done Yet, Navy To Conduct Exercise In Arabian Sea Along Pak's Only Sea Trade Route

[Indian Jatt]

Can they survive massive nuke strike?

Yes indeed they can, all ships can work in NBC...also you dont have precision ASBM's

 

[Tridibans]

yes we do, otherwise India doesn't need to show her naval force to satisfy her people, after years of teaching Pakistan a lesson, but when time comes all we see is tall claims. By the way that nuke thing is not just a threat

Any sane member will tell you, nukes are just for a show. You guys can threaten as much as you like. Never gonna be used ever.

On the other hand, the conventional military gap is widening every day as we speak....

 

[xyxmt]

Any sane member will tell you, nukes are just for a show. You guys can threaten as much as you like. Never gonna be used ever.

On the other hand, the conventional military gap is widening every day as we speak....

Azad Kashmir is a cake walk for you then, why only chest thumping

 

[Fenrir]

Yes indeed they can, all ships can work in NBC

Depends on how close you are. NBC is for lingering or residual radiological contamination, not a full-on dose from an atomic detonation.

Take the 23 kiloton Able shot - an air burst device of the same type that was used on Japan.

At just half a mile away from the detonation, ships like USS Nevada, painted red here during nuclear weapons testing, actually survived the blast:

However, it received lethal doses of radiation:

Although the Able bomb missed its target, Nevada, by nearly half a mile, and it failed to sink or to contaminate the battleship, a crew would not have survived. Goat #119, tethered inside a gun turret and shielded by armor plate, received enough fireball radiation to die four days later of radiation sickness having survived two days longer than goat #53, which was on the deck, unshielded. Had Nevada been fully manned, she would likely have become a floating coffin, dead in the water for lack of a live crew. In theory, every unprotected location on the ship received 10,000 rems (100 Sv) of initial nuclear radiation from the fireball. Therefore, people deep enough inside the ship to experience a 90% radiation reduction would still have received a lethal dose of 1,000 rems.

Fast forward a few months to the Baker shot, and the damage is even worse. This time the explosion is underwater, rather then the airburst Fatman design that Able used:

Upon detonation, a primary shockwave crushed USS Arkansas to the point were it now appears to be lying top down underwater, which battleships often do as they are top heavy. In reality USS Arkansas is lying on its side, but appears to be lying top down because one half of the ship is gone, having been crushed to pieces.

USS Saratoga was sunk during the shot. She was an aircraft carrier:

Two ships down. But what about those that survived like USS Independence, which survived the Able shot, as shown here?

The surge of the collapsing spray column painted the target ships with so much radiation that the USN was unable to decontaminate them and scuttled the ships:

As with Able, any ships that remained afloat within 1,000 yards (914 m) of the detonation were seriously damaged, but this time the damage came from below, from water pressure rather than air pressure. The greatest difference between the two shots was the radioactive contamination of all the target ships by Baker. Regardless of the degree of damage, only nine surviving Baker target ships were eventually decontaminated and sold for scrap. The rest were sunk at sea after decontamination efforts failed.

Modern CBRN measures have come along way such as positive pressure interiors, automated decontaminated systems, advanced filtration capabilities, but a nuclear detonation is a different game. USS Nevada would have doomed its crew, despite surviving the Able shot because the radiological contamination was so intense it seeped through the ships hull. No filtration system or scrubbers will stop that.

And keep in mind both Able and Baker were measured in tens of kilotons, as 23 kt each. Maker forbid you get hit with a multi-megaton device like Castle Bravo:

Radiological contaminants from Bravo travelled 300 miles and remained lethal within 100 miles. The Fireball itself was 7km across.

You'd likely not survive a 20kt blast if within a mile. Forget about surviving anything larger.

 

[Tridibans]

Azad Kashmir is a cake walk for you then, why only chest thumping

Before 1999, there were no nukes. Was it a cake walk back then?

 

[Shabi1]

Before 1999, there were no nukes. Was it a cake walk back then?

Both had nukes before 1999 as well but were not officially declared just as Israel right now.

 

[Indian Jatt]

Depends on how close you are. NBC is for lingering or residual radiological contamination, not a full-on dose from an atomic detonation.

Take the 23 kiloton Able shot - an air burst device of the same type that was used on Japan.

At just half a mile away from the detonation, ships like USS Nevada, painted red here during nuclear weapons testing, actually survived the blast:

However, it received lethal doses of radiation:

Although the Able bomb missed its target, Nevada, by nearly half a mile, and it failed to sink or to contaminate the battleship, a crew would not have survived. Goat #119, tethered inside a gun turret and shielded by armor plate, received enough fireball radiation to die four days later of radiation sickness having survived two days longer than goat #53, which was on the deck, unshielded. Had Nevada been fully manned, she would likely have become a floating coffin, dead in the water for lack of a live crew. In theory, every unprotected location on the ship received 10,000 rems (100 Sv) of initial nuclear radiation from the fireball. Therefore, people deep enough inside the ship to experience a 90% radiation reduction would still have received a lethal dose of 1,000 rems.

Fast forward a few months to the Baker shot, and the damage is even worse. This time the explosion is underwater, rather then the airburst Fatman or Little Boy design that Able used:

Upon detonation, a primary shockwave crushed USS Arkansas to the point were it now appears to be lying top down underwater, which battleships often do as they are top heavy. In reality USS Arkansas is lying on its side, but appears to be lying top down because one half of the ship is gone, having been crushed to pieces.

USS Saratoga was sunk during the shot. She was an aircraft carrier:

Two ships down. But what about those that survived like USS Independence, which survived the Able shot, as shown here?

The surge of the collapsing spray column painted the target ships with so much radiation that the USN was unable to decontaminate them and scuttled the ships:

As with Able, any ships that remained afloat within 1,000 yards (914 m) of the detonation were seriously damaged, but this time the damage came from below, from water pressure rather than air pressure. The greatest difference between the two shots was the radioactive contamination of all the target ships by Baker. Regardless of the degree of damage, only nine surviving Baker target ships were eventually decontaminated and sold for scrap. The rest were sunk at sea after decontamination efforts failed.

Modern CBRN measures have come along way such as positive pressure interiors, automated decontaminated systems, advanced filtration capabilities, but a nuclear detonation is a different game. USS Nevada would have doomed its crew, despite surviving the Able shot because the radiological contamination was so intense it seeped through the ships hull. No filtration system or scrubbers will stop that.

And keep in mind both Able and Baker were measured in tens of kilotons, as 23 kt each. Maker forbid you get hit with a multi-megaton device like Castle Bravo:

Radiological contaminants from Bravo travelled 300 miles and remained lethal within 100 miles. The Fireball itself was 7km across.

You'd likely not survive a 20kt blast if within a mile. Forget about surviving anything larger.

Good read....
But i still believe that Pakistani subs still lack bm or nuclear tipped cruise missile.... Or do they??

 

[Ram Mahadev]

yaar woh videos ka kya huwa about surgical strikes please post some here please. Cameras on to thay na?

Posting videos will have effect on peace at the border. India and Pakistan would be in talks with each other.

 

[xyxmt]

Before 1999, there were no nukes. Was it a cake walk back then?

here is the situation, Pakistan has enough conventional power to keep India at bay while they keep interfering in Kashmir. No one country has enough power to take Kashmir from other. India can show all the power at sea but it doesnt effect Pakistan since our conflict will always be at Kashmir. Yes India can blockade Pakistan's sea route but war between India and Pakistan doesn't last so long that naval blockade can have any significant effect.

Posting videos will have effect on peace at the border. India and Pakistan would be in talks with each other.

peace is always achieved with strength, show them what you can do and what you did in surgical strikes to scare them and bring them to table on your terms . It will also satisfy war hungry Indian public

 

[SilkCut]

It's bhangees day out, on a glorified fishing trip.

Tried to test the waters up North a few days ago, had several wigs pushed back, and ran off with dhotis flapping in the air, and then concocted some tall tales to soothe your billion plus squares.

Now you're really in the water, why just an exercise? Do something.

 

[#hydra#]

Can they survive massive nuke strike?

We already carried out a strike inside pak occupied Kashmir, and officially declared too. If you have some selfpride take necessary counter action. Its a challenge...

 

[mirage]

Basically Pakistanis are not cowards like Indian.

forefathers . and it is Bharat not india , Pakistanis are not cowards like Indian . kindly throw some light on your analysis . thanks

 

[Wet Shirt Contest]

Can they survive massive nuke strike?

Constant nuke threats only shows our frustration and lack of confidence in armed forces.

my 2 cents

 

[R!CK]

yes we do, otherwise India doesn't need to show her naval force to satisfy her people, after years of teaching Pakistan a lesson, but when time comes all we see is tall claims. By the way that nuke thing is not just a threat

Another threat lol. We fought several wars without nukes in the past, and we may fight several more without it. Your country somehow managed to provide a false sense of security to its citizens with the Nuclear card. Truth is, nuclear threat is only to let the common man sleep at night. In reality, unless someones suicidal, it will never be used. I'd have rather hoped your government showed more confidence in your armed forces which most of you say is the best in the world? Do you need nukes to fight a war when you have that awesome super power army? lol

As for exercises, whats the issue? Pakistan is conducting air exercises in western border, i don't see how that doesn't get considered before u comment about Indian naval exercises? These are just exercises, nothing for both of us to cheer about.

Constant nuke threats only shows our frustration and lack of confidence in armed forces.

my 2 cents

This is perhaps the first sensible post I am seeing on this issue. Idiots who use the nuclear threat don't understand it means total self destruction aswell. I'm surprised to see such suicidal mentality with few Pakistani friends. Thank you!

P.S: Still believe majority of Pakistanis are sensible and smart. With an exception of few geniuses here on this forum.

Good Day!

 

[xyxmt]

As for exercises, whats the issue? Pakistan is conducting air exercises in western border, i don't see how that doesn't get considered before u comment about Indian naval exercises? These are just exercises, nothing for both of us to cheer about.

Did Pakistan say we are not done yet and showing you Air exercises. Pakistan is a humble country, we only incite you to do something