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Cattle are the largest contributor of excreta both in the wild as well as farms. This lack of cattle is why Amazon rain forest has one of the poorest quality of soil. This presence of cattle/wilderbeast is why parts of Africa has one of the healthiest soil.
Yet Amazon (and other tropical rain-forests where cattle are not found) is home of largest biodiversity in the world. Soil richness has nothing to do with the biodiversity or the survival or extinction of other species.
 
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Yet Amazon (and other tropical rain-forests where cattle are not found) is home of largest biodiversity in the world. Soil richness has nothing to do with the biodiversity or the survival or extinction of other species.

Oh but it is. Farming yields very poor results on Amazonian soil. Now you would not disagree with me that farming is important to human as a species to survive. So cattle is important for richness of soil and farming, just earthworms and other creatures do not do the trick. Now calculate the harm with mechanized farming, poor soil due to lack of cattle, etc., etc., and you will start seeing that yes our survival depends on the survival of the cattle.
 
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Oh but it is. Farming yields very poor results on Amazonian soil. Now you would not disagree with me that farming is important to human as a species to survive. So cattle is important for richness of soil and farming, just earthworms and other creatures do not do the trick. Now calculate the harm with mechanized farming, poor soil due to lack of cattle, etc., etc., and you will start seeing that yes our survival depends on the survival of the cattle.
Why would you do farming in Amazonian soil in the first place? Tropical rain-forest have their own unique ecology just like deserts have, or mountain ranges etc. Nature has not introduced cattle everywhere why are you hell bent on doing that?
 
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KOLKATA – As world Muslims prepare their rams for Udhiyah this year, millions of Indian Muslims will not be able to observe the religious ritual due to the growth of campaigns by Hindu far-right groups against cow slaughter, considering it a sacred animal..
I would like this ban to extend to Pakistan as well.
if antagonising the Hindu faith is a MUST for being a puritan Muslim then what about the health issues?
its meat is not good

for a start its red meat or beef which causes a laundry list of health issues from heart and cholesterol issues to blood pressure and diabetes.
if Hindus lived in Mecca or Madina then I am sure Muhammad PBUH would have advised Muslims to avoid this slaughter so that Hindu feelings are not hurt.

turn it around my pure Muslims, consider this how you will feel like if you are force fed pig meat? you dont even like to say its name in Urdu.. it butt hurts you yea? just allow your self a chance to think that your God has created other people as well who dont follow your faith and have their own religious sensitivities.

but if you cant help it then please eat cows. and mock other religions, hate education , burn flags and if you dont die of heart attack then blow yourself up at a school.

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Let us not become Saudi Arabia.

But this point is moot since its not compulsory to sacrifice a cow on Eid.
instead it was traditionally camel and lamb.

the meat from the animal is meant to be distributed among family and friends and the poor (if one can afford it)
its about sharing not antagonising others.
sadly religious rituals and ceremonies have become commercialised now. lacking spirit.

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Why would you do farming in Amazonian soil in the first place? Tropical rain-forest have their own unique ecology just like deserts have, or mountain ranges etc. Nature has not introduced cattle everywhere why are you hell bent on doing that?

I am not doing any farming on the Amazon. I was referring to the Brazilian govt's attempt to deforest the Amazon and bring that land under farming. Also I just brought in Amazon as an example of how all the other living creatures poop still do not amount to a soil suitable for farming.
 
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Ifor a start its red meat or beef which causes a laundry list of health issues from heart and cholesterol issues to blood pressure and diabetes.
Anything in access, even water, is harmful for a biological system. It is not the red meat, but the selective and over-consumption combined with failing to burn the gained calories that does bad things to one's health. Islam advises to opt for the middle-of-the-road approach and it as much applies to red meat consumption. If Allah has made it halal, it must have benefit(s) otherwise he had no problem making it haram just like swine. We should avoid assuming things on behalf of Allah and his Rasool (PBUH). You don't like to consume red meat, please go ahead for consuming red meat or any color meat is not mandatory at all.

I am not doing any farming on the Amazon. I was referring to the Brazilian govt's attempt to deforest the Amazon and bring that land under farming. Also I just brought in Amazon as an example of how all the other living creatures poop still do not amount to a soil suitable for farming.
What Brazilian government doing is incorrect because gains as a result of farming are fewer compared to the losses resulting from the deforestation. Its not only the poop that is needed for the soil fertility with reference to crop growing. The Western world has long switched from organic to inorganic farming, which does not make use of cattle manure. Per hector yield from in-organic farming is several folds higher than that of organic farming.
 
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Its not only the poop that is needed for the soil fertility with reference to crop growing. The Western world has long switched from organic to inorganic farming, which does not make use of cattle manure. Per hector yield from in-organic farming is several folds higher than that of organic farming.

I know it is not just the poop but the natural microbes and insect life it supports. That Western world switch from organic to inorganic farming has lead to massive scale soil erosion, loss of plant diversity, etc. etc.

Erosion estimated to cost Iowa $1 billion in yield
 
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India IS a secular country & will always remain one
India is not a secular country. Secular state means no use of religion for state business like maintain law and order etc. We got Muslim personal laws, we got Hindu laws etc etc. This is rape of secularism so please stop calling India secular just to use it to rape further. I think you don't even know what secularism really mean..
 
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I thinks if cow slaughter hurts Hindu community's sentiments then nothing wrong if Muslims community agrees for not to slaughter cow. After all they have to live together anyway.
 
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There are people eating everything from lion to crocs. If that was the only food available then eating that is what is needed. It does not mean I will eat it because they do not form a part of my food habit, but go to Africa, they eat everything..
There are people doing wrong/bad things. Does that mean we endorse it and follow suit? No! As far as humans are concerned we choose what we eat in most cases. so why not make a better choice and choose vegetarian food?

There is no animal level. Animals follow their dharma too without which they will die. Survival is dharma. So stop looking down your nose on that as animal level
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That is your personal opinion, not the truth. The sages have said that there are three levels for humans: Dev bhav (God-like) Manushya Bhav (Human-like) and Pashu Bhav (animal-like). I will give a brief description.
In pashu bhav a human is concerned mainly about three things namely food, sensory needs and shelter. Such a human is concerned only about sensory pleasures, satisfaction of hunger and thirst and lastly security. He is under the control of his vices. He cannot rise to a higher level unless he makes efforts to do so.
In manushya bhav his consciousness rises to a higher level and has moral qualities. He becomes concerned about others and tries to help them. The human has compassion for other creatures and focuses on doing good karma.
In Dev bhav the human becomes selfless. He rises to the highest level and becomes very virtuous. For him the entire universe is his family. such a human also practices nishkama karma yoga. He places the needs of others above his own,if required and also does not hesitate to make the necessary sacrifices.

Animals follow their nature, not dharma. Survival cannot be always regarded as dharma. For eg. should a soldier give up his duty of protecting his motherland and his people so that he can survive? would that be dharma? No. it would be adharma. Even Lord Rama killed the Asuras who were killing the Rishis for their own survival. Do you think that the Asuras were right? Survival will become dharma or adharma depending upon your intention, action and the consequences of your action. Most people eat meat to satisfy their taste-buds, not for survival. when you have good options and even then you don't use them and choose the wrong options then it is adharma.

Animal level is the lowest level as it is governed by lower nature and lower desires. This is mentioned by the sages, in the shastras and even by Lord Krishna in the Bhagwad-gita. classifications are inevitable. There is nothing wrong in it, except when you use them to insult anybody and i am not doing that.

We are not much different than animals considering we belong to the animal kingdom and not plant kingdom. Early humans to survive would have had to eat animals too and yes animals which they killed would have been the natural choice. I do not have to do that because I am not the earliest of human beings
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You are talking about the biological classification. There is another classification. The sages say that the Human birth is karma yoni while all other births on earth are bhog yoni. In a karma yoni you get the right to do good or bad karma according to your choice. In the bhog yoni you cannot do karma. you are controlled by the nature of the yoni and are forced to live a life accordingly. so even if humans belong to the animal kingdom they are different and higher beings. They cannot be categorized with animals. The differences are simply huge.
The first cycle of time on earth was Satyuga when virtuousness was at its peak. In that case meat eaters if at all, may have been very few. What ever it may have been, the bottom line is that we must avoid meat as far as possible. sin is associated with meat eating. All the enlightened masters and avatars endorse this stand.

Nature does differentiate between human beings, otherwise we will all be each others clones. There are different level of needs in everyone. Not everyone is emotional. Not everyone is stoic. Not everyone is brave. We are all different. The wise can say we should be satvic, but as you said that is a personal choice. Even during Krishna's time, everyone was not Satvic.
All those differences are not made by nature. They are a result of our karma. Faces are different for identification. faculties are same and nature does not differentiate between humans or animals on these parameters unless there is karmic interference. For eg. a person of lower birth has same spiritual faculties as a person of higher birth. Nature does not differentiate. The physical or attributive differences arise because of karma.
When you go to buy clothes or any other item for that matter, don't you choose the best? if yes, then why not choose a satvic lifestyle which is the best? only slaves of desires and mind are unable to do that. they are just too weak.
During Krishna's time many were satvic. Those who were tamasic or rajsic were destroyed in the mahabharata war because these qualities took them toward adharma . so what is good? Being satvic or rajsic or tamasic?
Rajas and Tamas are needed but their influence should be minimized and more importance should be given to satva.
Irrespective of what people are, or what they choose, the wise thing to do is choose the best as indicated by the enlightened masters and avatars. That will save you from negative karma. Then again its your personal choice.
But remember, your choice will influence others and through them the world at large.
Yes spiritual evolution with material enjoyment through right means. Does not mean no killing at all
In most cases killing of animals is done to satisfy taste-buds of people. so that cannot be termed right. To satisfy hunger, other options are available. so killing in this case would also be wrong. Killing is allowed by God only when you need to protect yourself or somebody else when you or that person has not done anything wrong and when there is no other option. And also for food when there is no other option.

I said all humanity. If they are replaced by other humans who also do the same thing that too negates creation. If everyone was supposed to look, act, and behave the same that negates purpose of creation.
No it does not negate the purpose of creation because all beings of a particular species have the same particular role to play.The purpose of creation was plurality. while evolution followed creation. As i said humans belong to karma yoni and have been given the right to do karma and that is why the sages say that we should do good karma ,so that we can evolve to a higher level and ultimately attain moksha. That is the purpose of creation of humans. Bad karma like killing unnecessarily for food will ultimately cause suffering and also result in our downfall. hence we should avoid that.
if every human did that and if as you say, it negates the purpose of creation, then would the sages and avatars have given this knowledge freely to everyone? No. only a privileged few would have received it.
 
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Dont fool us Sir. We know very well. Christians are treated as bhangis in Pakistan. Most of them do menial tasks.
Emotional post. Extremist Saffron types will lynch Christians with similar enthusiasm as when they lynch Muslims. Christians, unlike Muslims in Pakistan can buy and drink alcohol, have their own family laws (like Sikhs, Hindus) and though they are sometimes discriminated against by uneducated folks, they are an important and vital part of our society. You are just saying things because you've read about them, not experienced them.
 
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There are people doing wrong/bad things. Does that mean we endorse it and follow suit? No! As far as humans are concerned we choose what we eat in most cases. so why not make a better choice and choose vegetarian food?

They are not doing "bad things." A lot of those people live in scrubland without anything else to eat. So please no moralizing.


That is your personal opinion, not the truth. The sages have said that there are three levels for humans: Dev bhav (God-like) Manushya Bhav (Human-like) and Pashu Bhav (animal-like). I will give a brief description.
In pashu bhav a human is concerned mainly about three things namely food, sensory needs and shelter. Such a human is concerned only about sensory pleasures, satisfaction of hunger and thirst and lastly security. He is under the control of his vices. He cannot rise to a higher level unless he makes efforts to do so.
In manushya bhav his consciousness rises to a higher level and has moral qualities. He becomes concerned about others and tries to help them. The human has compassion for other creatures and focuses on doing good karma.
In Dev bhav the human becomes selfless. He rises to the highest level and becomes very virtuous. For him the entire universe is his family. such a human also practices nishkama karma yoga. He places the needs of others above his own,if required and also does not hesitate to make the necessary sacrifices.

That is just by the way of explanation. Animals also care for their herd, their families, even other animals. No I do not agree that Dev Bhav is when you become selfless. Neither Ram nor Krishna were selfless.


Animals follow their nature, not dharma. Survival cannot be always regarded as dharma. For eg. should a soldier give up his duty of protecting his motherland and his people so that he can survive? would that be dharma? No. it would be adharma. Even Lord Rama killed the Asuras who were killing the Rishis for their own survival. Do you think that the Asuras were right? Survival will become dharma or adharma depending upon your intention, action and the consequences of your action. Most people eat meat to satisfy their taste-buds, not for survival. when you have good options and even then you don't use them and choose the wrong options then it is adharma.

The solider abdicating his duty is adharma because his societies survival was dependent on him providing protection. He is the extension of the society here and should act on behalf of his society to protect it. Asuras were not killing Rishis for their own survival. They were the materialist of that time and killing the Rishis just for difference of opinion. Rama was following his dharma in protecting the Rishis and killing the Asuras. Yes, eating meat when other options are available is adharma, but then as I said I am willing to tolerate some adharma.

You are talking about the biological classification. There is another classification. The sages say that the Human birth is karma yoni while all other births on earth are bhog yoni. In a karma yoni you get the right to do good or bad karma according to your choice. In the bhog yoni you cannot do karma. you are controlled by the nature of the yoni and are forced to live a life accordingly. so even if humans belong to the animal kingdom they are different and higher beings. They cannot be categorized with animals. The differences are simply huge.
The first cycle of time on earth was Satyuga when virtuousness was at its peak. In that case meat eaters if at all, may have been very few. What ever it may have been, the bottom line is that we must avoid meat as far as possible. sin is associated with meat eating. All the enlightened masters and avatars endorse this stand.

That is rubbish. If animals are just bound by bhog yoni then what action is it that is going to elevate them to being humans. You are just trapping them in that cycle when you deny them sentience.

All creatures were created in the Satyuga and there were plenty of meat eaters then too. For those who seek to be very very pure, sure. Others may choose to take a few more bad karmas.


When you go to buy clothes or any other item for that matter, don't you choose the best? if yes, then why not choose a satvic lifestyle which is the best? only slaves of desires and mind are unable to do that. they are just too weak.
During Krishna's time many were satvic. Those who were tamasic or rajsic were destroyed in the mahabharata war because these qualities took them toward adharma . so what is good? Being satvic or rajsic or tamasic?
Rajas and Tamas are needed but their influence should be minimized and more importance should be given to satva.
Irrespective of what people are, or what they choose, the wise thing to do is choose the best as indicated by the enlightened masters and avatars. That will save you from negative karma. Then again its your personal choice.
But remember, your choice will influence others and through them the world at large.

No I do not go and buy the bestest cloth there is, I buy it according to my earning capacity and in accordance with the allowance I am willing to put aside for it.

Krishna's war had nothing to do with that. It was time for Kaliyuga so the destruction was wrought.

In most cases killing of animals is done to satisfy taste-buds of people. so that cannot be termed right. To satisfy hunger, other options are available. so killing in this case would also be wrong. Killing is allowed by God only when you need to protect yourself or somebody else when you or that person has not done anything wrong and when there is no other option. And also for food when there is no other option.

Not necessarily. If everyone knew to cook veg food as tasty as non-veg food, all of them would give up non-veg food. Taste buds are there for a purpose. You cannot go and eat tasteless things unless one is such a sourpuss that one wants no joy in life at all.

No it does not negate the purpose of creation because all beings of a particular species have the same particular role to play.The purpose of creation was plurality. while evolution followed creation. As i said humans belong to karma yoni and have been given the right to do karma and that is why the sages say that we should do good karma ,so that we can evolve to a higher level and ultimately attain moksha. That is the purpose of creation of humans. Bad karma like killing unnecessarily for food will ultimately cause suffering and also result in our downfall. hence we should avoid that.
if every human did that and if as you say, it negates the purpose of creation, then would the sages and avatars have given this knowledge freely to everyone? No. only a privileged few would have received it.

Yes we should do good karma. But if everyone did good karma, then there wont be any variation in behavior at all. That defeats the purpose of plurality. It is the duty of the sages to advise and they have done so. Now it is the choice of people if they want to follow it to the dot or not. Leave it at that.
 
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It should be allowed if their religion says its compulsory

It should still be allowed it if is not compulsory. Last I checked, India still claimed it was a secular state. If it is one of the religious practice, Indian Government need not poke its nose in it - if it was a secular state.
 
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