India: Muslim told to not offer Namaz neither wear scull cap in the presence of police.

[MultaniGuy]

The problem with all religious “scholars” is that many of them arent. Most infact; keeping an uncouth beard and wearing a cap does not make you a scholar. Fazlur rehman is not one, in the days where Islam was led by the most informed and educated- the hierarchy of knowledge was Aalims and then Muftis at the bottom.. Diesel in not even a Mufti yet most of his party would suddenly command respect because of how they look and not what they know.

If today we have a doctor graduate from the Mingolpura medical university which has ten rooms we are afraid of the doctor but we cannot apply the same principles to religious leadership?

Pre partition India has two main Muslim university’s( combined learning centers), deoband was a madressa for ONLY deobandi thought. Places like Aligarh and Osmania University were true places for Islamic studies and learning... how can a place where just one repeated line of thought is taughy be superior to a place where all ideas and thoughts are combined and analyzed for a result?

Today, Jamia Binoria is just with one school of thought.. University of Karachi with faculty from five different schools of thought is inherently going to be superior.
The same goes for Al-Azhar in Cairo versus Makkah University, Al-Azhar is not regulated like Makkah University and is going to have superior learning.

So coming to leadership, is zakir naik going to be superior or a reputable university department?

Unfortunately religion is one place where we mix faraiz with nasiyat. Nothing in the Quran, the final authority on Sharia and knowledge compels us to listen to any scholar for guidance - that is entirely up to our own judgement and character to choose.
And therin lies the problem with all religions, judgement and character may be built upto a certain age carefully- but once solidifed upon whatever foundation one has by birth, it becomes the drive for understanding life.

An inheritantly violent person will see war against infidels everywhere despite both Quran and seerat giving a different context, just as a inherently kind person will see mercy and forgiveness everywhere as reflected in the character of both Allah and Rasool.

There was nothing to indicate that Pakistan was to be founded by some prophet or pure man, the work had to be done and the right person at the right time was chosen to do it. Maulana Azad or Maududi could oppose all they want, kun fayakun.

Yeah you are saying the right thing, sir.

 

[SQ8]

Sir, I could like this post a thousand times, I would have done that. In fact, the true religious scholars of the highest eminence were multi-talented people who knew history, politics and in depth knowledge of the language and understanding of the metaphorical language that the Holy Quran uses. It takes a lot of wisdom to understand the wisdom of the Almighty....and definitely a scholar has to be able to understand not only different schools of thoughts but also different cultures. A scholar must understand the western culture as well and not learned through a watching hollywood movies rather living in Europe and interacting with people and also excelling at Europe's history and that I put Allama Iqbal at a much higher level than the highest of his contemporaries. In modern day, I see Sh. Imran Hossain, who has not only lived in USA and west but also acquired education from some the most prestigious schools of economy at Geneva and also worked for govt of Australia in foreign ministry...so he has a deep knowledge of the contemporary world, he is well read and reads a lots of very high standard books written by some of the best historians and professors on civilisation ... an academic ... so he is able to understand the true Islam and interpret according to the modern world.


Yazeed was the most lanati character in the entire history of Islam...

And when you finally come full circle to India, you see how all those who supported the idea of a union were wrong. Those who pushed for partition saw the popularity of extremist elements in both bodies and saw what it would transpire.
It is impossible for two majorities to coexist- when Sunni and Shia cannot, Catholics and Protestants could not, two different religions cannot.
Here the genocidal tendencies will rise among the Hindus of India and this forum is ample evidence of that hatred brewing.

They said the two nation theory sank in the bay of Bengal but that is not true.
Even in today’s Bengal there is the whiff of conflict when “Jamaati” and non-muslim Bangladeshis- eventually it too will need addressing with one victor and one suppressed.

I caution my fellow Pakistanis to avoid targeting our minorities when identifying the Bhakt that is Indian mindset today, those people do have religious loyalties but do not need those to be sparked or touched. Our message should not be fight for Islam or fight for Muslims.. Pakistan’s fight should be for Rights, Truth, Haq. Haq is universal, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists or atheists are not.

The day we move away from an Islamic state to a Haq state is when we will truly become close to the state of Medina wistfully mentioned by both true aspirants and falsely preached by terror organizations such as Hizb ut Tahrir

 

[war&peace]

And when you finally come full circle to India, you see how all those who supported the idea of a union were wrong. Those who pushed for partition saw the popularity of extremist elements in both bodies and saw what it would transpire.
It is impossible for two majorities to coexist- when Sunni and Shia cannot, Catholics and Protestants could not, two different religions cannot.
Here the genocidal tendencies will rise among the Hindus of India and this forum is ample evidence of that hatred brewing.

They said the two nation theory sank in the bay of Bengal but that is not true.
Even in today’s Bengal there is the whiff of conflict when “Jamaati” and non-muslim Bangladeshis- eventually it too will need addressing with one victor and one suppressed.

I caution my fellow Pakistanis to avoid targeting our minorities when identifying the Bhakt that is Indian mindset today, those people do have religious loyalties but do not need those to be sparked or touched. Our message should not be fight for Islam or fight for Muslims.. Pakistan’s fight should be for Rights, Truth, Haq. Haq is universal, Muslims, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists or atheists are not.

The day we move away from an Islamic state to a Haq state is when we will truly become close to the state of Medina wistfully mentioned by both true aspirants and falsely preached by terror organizations such as Hizb ut Tahrir

I agree that we should simplify our stance into basic ingredient of human rights, facts and good will. Because Muslims translate humanity == Islam which is true but when we talk with non-Muslims, it should be broken down into elements.
Also when we talk about Indians and Hindutva, we should confine it to Indian bhakats because the Hindus in other places are very different like Nepalese are also Hindu but they don't share much of the immoral practices of hatred, rape, vulgarity, lying and stealing other people's culture, civilisation and history. Similarly, Pakistani hindus have a different personality from Indian. When are talking about hindutva, we normally mean Indian hindus...not any other but definitely we can make it more clear. May be you can suggest some better terms

 

[El Sidd]

I agree that we should simplify our stance into basic ingredient of human rights, facts and good will. Because Muslims translate humanity == Islam which is true but when we talk with non-Muslims, it should be broken down into elements.
Also when we talk about Indians and Hindutva, we should confine it to Indian bhakats because the Hindus in other places are very different like Nepalese are also Hindu but they don't share much of the immoral practices of hatred, rape, vulgarity, lying and stealing other people's culture, civilisation and history. Similarly, Pakistani hindus have a different personality from Indian. When are talking about hindutva, we normally mean Indian hindus...not any other but definitely we can make it more clear. May be you can suggest some better terms

Why dont you put playcards up for them in Stockholm?

Or wear Black Armband.

Stop wasting Internet Space for them

 

[SQ8]

I agree that we should simplify our stance into basic ingredient of human rights, facts and good will. Because Muslims translate humanity == Islam which is true but when we talk with non-Muslims, it should be broken down into elements.
Also when we talk about Indians and Hindutva, we should confine it to Indian bhakats because the Hindus in other places are very different like Nepalese are also Hindu but they don't share much of the immoral practices of hatred, rape, vulgarity, lying and stealing other people's culture, civilisation and history. Similarly, Pakistani hindus have a different personality from Indian. When are talking about hindutva, we normally mean Indian hindus...not any other but definitely we can make it more clear. May be you can suggest some better terms

Bharatiya Hindu?
Calling them Bhindus is considered deregatory so maybe stick to the term used for Hindu extremists in India- Bhakts.

Again, not all Indian Hindus.. most of them are not bad people, they are decent human beings like we consider most of our population. After all, even though Mullah Fazlullah or even Asif Zardari is a Pakistani Muslim but neither of us would like to paint them represent all of us.

 

[war&peace]

Bharatiya Hindu?
Calling them Bhindus is considered deregatory so maybe stick to the term used for Hindu extremists in India- Bhakts.

Again, not all Indian Hindus.. most of them are not bad people, they are decent human beings like we consider most of our population. After all, even though Mullah Fazlullah or even Asif Zardari is a Pakistani Muslim but neither of us would like to paint them represent all of us.

Well the number of extremist in India is far larger than in Pakistan which reflected in the election results so I'm convinced that majority Bhartya hindus are Bhindus ...
Normally I called saffron chaddis, Bhakts or RSS Sanghis and that excludes all other hindus especially the non-Indian ones.

 

[aman_rai]

The partition was incomplete.

Muslims got more than everyone else.


Growing Muslim population is a threat to India. I hope Muslim have more babies and illegal migration from Bangladesh increases. Then there will be no India.

@Panzerfaust 3 @aman_rai

Keep dreaming traitor