India may consider abrogate Indus Water treaty to "punish" Pakistan

[HalfMoon]

That is decided in Nagpur - looks like Nitin Gadkari

Modi has made RSS and its orgs like VHP irrelevant. RSS no longer controls Modi's BJP.

 

[FuturePAF]

You were offered the valley in the 1960s and India wished to retain Jammu and Ladakh which have a non Muslim majority. This was rejected by Pak.

I wasn't around back then , but to be honest if that is so, we should have taken that. Can you cite the reference where this was an actual offer. just curious.

maybe the muslim majority areas of jammu were not included (along with the muslim areas in kashmir outside the valley) and hence the deal was rejected.

 

[Placemat]

Did you add the bracketed part on your own or were the brackets also foretold?

Lol.. it was foretold.

Hindu may wish to do this but they dont have the mettle to do it.
But time will come as our Messenger foretold, "Muslims of Hind will invade Hind and they shall imprison her princes aristocrats and when they will return they will meet Son of Mary in Al Sham against Anti-Christ and Allah will grant victory through them (Pakistan Army).

Sorry to just your bubble. There is no messenger for there is no one who could send a message. They are all myths you have been believing .

 

[Jackdaws]

No one.. the next one who can outwit Modi Shah. Most likely is Gadkari who is very good implementer and has delivered. Maybe Sushma but remote.
If Gadkari is there and a decision is taken to divert.. I believe it will happen. But Gadkari is very moderate and he will not spend on this type of nonsense. He will build only road port and other infra.
I think this year's election is very seminal in many ways.

In fact within NDA, Gadkari might emerge as a consensus candidate to replace Modi. I would actually prefer that. I would prefer a moderate and sane Vajpayee type NDA overall. But I would even prefer a Rahul Gandhi led UPA over Modi. I think he is completely clueless and is more interested in theatrics than anything else.

Modi has made RSS and its orgs like VHP irrelevant. RSS no longer controls Modi's BJP.

Correct. But don't forget RSS made him - power flows from there. They want to cut him to size.

 

[Tom M]

Work with China to divert Indus water towards Gilgit Baltistan. China is not part of IWT so no issues.

Well you are talking about changing the natural course of a god damn river. Do you have any idea what you are talking about and how that can be achieved in one of the worst terrains of the world ??

 

[HalfMoon]

Correct. But don't forget RSS made him - power flows from there. They want to cut him to size.

Too late. Modi has complete control over BJP. His point man Shah has been working overtime to get rid of people opposing Modi shown the door.

 

[FuturePAF]

In fact within NDA, Gadkari might emerge as a consensus candidate to replace Modi. I would actually prefer that. I would prefer a moderate and sane Vajpayee type NDA overall. But I would even prefer a Rahul Gandhi led UPA over Modi. I think he is completely clueless and is more interested in theatrics than anything else.

Agreed, Modi is squandering the demographic dividend and if the theatrics keep going on, India at best will be stuck in the middle income trap similar to eastern European countries. India has great potential, but people like Modi and back in Pakistan people like Zardari waste a vital part of the 20-30 years both nations have to develop before the countries start to gray. Hence India needs to lose the dead weight of Kashmir and focus on the Billion plus in the rest of the territory the government administers.

 

[Jackdaws]

I wasn't around back then , but to be honest if that is so, we should have taken that. Can you cite the reference where this was an actual offer. just curious.

maybe the muslim majority areas of jammu were not included (along with the muslim areas in kashmir outside the valley) and hence the deal was rejected.

You need to Google the Swaran Singh-Bhutto talks in the aftermath of Indias fiasco against China in 62. India was under pressure from US to settle Kashmir. Bhutto said "defeated India" should give all of Kashmir.

 

[Placemat]

In fact within NDA, Gadkari might emerge as a consensus candidate to replace Modi. I would actually prefer that. I would prefer a moderate and sane Vajpayee type NDA overall. But I would even prefer a Rahul Gandhi led UPA over Modi. I think he is completely clueless and is more interested in theatrics than anything else.


Correct. But don't forget RSS made him - power flows from there. They want to cut him to size.

Well if bjp can form govt from a hung house with support then likely for Gadkari.
You are right we see the sound show , but reality is that he has made lot of changes which are good. It is a mixed bag. For success and failure. However I would still say this is better than Upa. Also remember that your expectation could have been any high too. A sane approach would be to see if he has delivered more than failed. If his delivery was better than last govt. Remove expectations from equation

Agreed, Modi is squandering the demographic dividend and if the theatrics keep going on, India at best will be stuck in the middle income trap similar to eastern European countries. India has great potential, but people like Modi and back in Pakistan people like Zardari waste a vital part of the 20-30 years both nations have to develop before the countries start to gray. Hence India needs to lose the dead weight of Kashmir and focus on the Billion plus in the rest of the territory the government administers.

India cannot lose Kashmir because if they do We really believe that Pak will create trouble in other regions. We have manage this and accept this reality.

 

[FuturePAF]

You need to Google the Swaran Singh-Bhutto talks in the aftermath of Indias fiasco against China in 62. India was under pressure from US to settle Kashmir. Bhutto said "defeated India" should give all of Kashmir.

Bhutto is another theatrical man that cost the nation so much. I'm not surprised Bhutto's name pops up. I'll look into it.

 

[WebMaster]

Drama until elections. Everyone will move on soon, soldiers will rest in peace.

 

[Tom M]

Pakistan just have to take Chinese and Saudis on board and request them for this help. Yes I'm aware of Aksai Chin part of China where they can divert it through and then enter into GB. Chinese engineers have done wonders and Saudis have historically helped Pakistan in very tough times when Pakistan was under severe sanctions. Almost all major Indian rivers originates in China and Pakistan can use them all.

The rivers may very well originate in China or Mars, but with the exception of Bramaputra, almost all rivers have the majority of their tributaries and the catchment area well within Indian territory. Especially the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Now how do you expect the mighty Chinese to divert the rainy clouds. LOL

 

[Placemat]

The rivers may very well originate in China or Mars, but with the exception of Bramaputra, almost all rivers have the majority of their tributaries and the catchment area well within Indian territory. Especially the state of Jammu and Kashmir.

Now how do you expect the mighty Chinese to divert the rainy clouds. LOL

Don't give them an idea.

 

[I.R.A]

Rahul Gandhi would be the next PM of India.

That is decided in Nagpur - looks like Nitin Gadkari

No one.. the next one who can outwit Modi Shah. Most likely is Gadkari who is very good implementer and has delivered. Maybe Sushma but remote.
If Gadkari is there and a decision is taken to divert.. I believe it will happen. But Gadkari is very moderate and he will not spend on this type of nonsense. He will build only road port and other infra.
I think this year's election is very seminal in many ways.

I personally don't wish congress to govern india again ....... I want someone from BJP who is not modi, someone who is mature and people's person, who has the will and can resolve issues through dialogue. Modi and his cabinet have been a disaster dealing with Pakistan, their policies are not helping india, in fact they are more damaging to india than Pakistan.

 

[HalfMoon]

Well if bjp can form govt from a hung house with support then likely for Gadkari.
You are right we see the sound show , but reality is that he has made lot of changes which are good. It is a mixed bag. For success and failure. However I would still say this is better than Upa. Also remember that your expectation could have been any high too. A sane approach would be to see if he has delivered more than failed. If his delivery was better than last govt. Remove expectations from equation


India cannot lose Kashmir because if they do We really believe that Pak will create trouble in other regions. We have manage this and accept this reality.

What are Modi's successes?