India Is Turning To Israel After Its Russian-Made Missiles Turned Into Duds

[Chhatrapati]

Well its up to my military and my government to decide what they want to do with Kashmir.

But you did get a beating on 27th Feb 2019 and all your money and your expensive toys couldnt save you, so yeah its not the equipment,its indian military thats useless.

Yeah, in short you're doing nothing. Explains a lot.

 

[Daghalodi]

Yeah, in short you're doing nothing. Explains a lot.

Im a nobody just like you are a nobody.

I dont make strategic or military decisions, so that argument about me doing anything doesnt really matter.

All that matters is your expensive toys couldnt save you from a beating on 27th Feb 2019. Hence your military spending doesnt really matter because in the end your military is useless.

 

[Chhatrapati]

Im a nobody just like you are a nobody.

Both of us have the luxury of the internet where information is readily available. Facts say for the past 70 yrs Pakistan only lost territory, and since Independence, India only gained territories.

 

[Cookie Monster]

i have wasted years of reading and summary is below
1948 india loss despite using airborne troops to kashmir paksitan have captured 85,846 km2 already .

next was 1962 india further loss 15% of kashmir to china 37,555 km which india can not take back.China seized Aksai Chin in a month-long war

at 1965 war was not a win for any side in fact 16 days can not be said a war but border skirmishes

1971 india white washed pakistan at east pakistan and it was Indian victory

siachin another adventure without results main glacier under India and rest 6 glaciers under pakistan even today

1998 despite a huge force small country attacked highly guarded loc and captured many tops . india after paying heavy price of lives and equipment retake his own tops but still few were take by pakistan and yet pakistan control them today.yes pakistan also loss lives in this adventure .

2001 heavy build up india losses hundreds of soldiers (some say 1874 Indian solders killed )without fight a war total failure of india money and lives .i was watching that time LK advani say AAR PAAR ki laraki . finish paksitan forever and bla bla what happened ?

2019 despite very very tall claims of sabak shikhana and punishing pakistan . india lost its equipment more men and a civilian a chopper a fighter jet humiliation in front of world as pilot captured and then india retreat with more 7 lives loss .




so my dear friend can you please mention us what is victory here ?

Uncle aap ne toh cheer ke rakh diya

 

[xyxmt]

Yes, agreed!

However, I believed that it was good for IAF..

Now, at least they have realised that they more higher range bvr missile's, more secure communication network, and AWACS aircraft's...

It was surely a wake call and good for IAF..

glad to teach you something, please keep coming for more lessons

 

[Daghalodi]

Both of us have the luxury of the internet where information is readily available. Facts say for the past 70 yrs Pakistan only lost territory, and since Independence, India only gained territories.

That is not the point of discussion. The topic here is about military spending. All your expensive toys did not save you from the beating on 27th Feb 2019 because your military is useless.

For damage control you have to come up with lame excuses and actually say the inventory in IAF are vintage planes. In 2018 your generals were making claims of a two front war with those vintage planes after operation Gagan Shakti.

I guess all of them including you woke up from their bollywood slumber after 27th Feb 2019.

 

[Chhatrapati]

That is not the point of discussion. The topic here is about military spending. All your expensive toys did not save you from the beating on 27th Feb 2019 because your military is useless.

For damage control you have to come up with lame excuses and actually say the inventory in IAF are vintage planes. In 2018 your generals were making claims of a two front war with those vintage planes after operation Gagan Shakti. I guess all of them woke up from their bollywood slumber after 27th Feb 2019.

We don't need to win every skirmish. As long as we win the war.

 

[Daghalodi]

We don't need to win every skirmish. As long as we win the war.

Your generals say you won the skirmish. Your PM says he wants rafales for better results. You (who is just a bharati troll) say you dont need to win skirmish just wars.

You know what this is?? All talk.

The real stuff is this.

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Im a nobody just like you are a nobody.

I dont make strategic or military decisions, so that argument about me doing anything doesnt really matter.

All that matters is your expensive toys couldnt save you from a beating on 27th Feb 2019. Hence your military spending doesnt really matter because in the end your military is useless.

What absurdity. India went and bombed Pakistan in Balakot and you are talking about dowing a Mig21 using BVR missile as some great achievement? Who suffered greater loss? Pakistan which lost 200 people or India which only lost an old plane? Moreover, Pakistan immediately backed off and handed over the pilot immediately. Who was the winner at the end?

 

[Daghalodi]

What absurdity. India went and bombed Pakistan in Balakot and you are talking about dowing a Mig21 using BVR missile as some great achievement? Who suffered greater loss? Pakistan which lost 200 people or India which only lost an old plane? Moreover, Pakistan immediately backed off and handed over the pilot immediately. Who was the winner at the end?

Your netajis say they were 300 or 350 where did you come up with 200? Ah well Nevermind.Nobody lost 200 men!! Thats a bollywood story.

Your Generals wanted a two front war after 2018 Operation Gagan Shakti. They are not talking about a two front war anymore after 27th Feb 2019.

We bombed you back on 27th. You couldnt stop us despite being on high alert , lost a mig21 to Pakistan and shot your own helicopter down in desparation. No wonder your generals dont talk about two front war anymore. They know you have a useless military.

 

[Blacklight]

https://nationalinterest.org/blog/b...-its-russian-made-missiles-turned-duds-128852

March 3, 2020 Topic: Technology Region: Asia Blog Brand: The Buzz Tags: RussiaIndiaMissilesPakistanR-77Israel

Can Israeli missiles be integrated on a Russian jet?

by Michael Peck
Key point: But India isn't done buying Russian-made weapons.


After losing one of its fighters to Pakistani jets armed with American-made missiles in 2019, India is not happy with its Russian-made missiles.



In fact, it wants to replace its Russian air-to-air missiles with Israeli weapons, according to Indian news site NDTV.

“In two years from now, the Indian Air Force's frontline Sukhoi-30 fighters may be re-armed with Israeli Derby air-to-air missiles after the jet's Russian-made R-77 missiles were found wanting in air combat operations over the Line of Control on February 27,” NDTV said.

During air battles along the Kashmir border on February 26 and 27 of last year, an Indian Air Force (IAF) MiG-21 was shot down, apparently by a U.S.-made AIM-120 AMRAAM (Advanced Medium-Range Air-to-Air Missile) fired by one of Pakistan Air Force’s (PAF) American-built F-16 fighters. India claims to have downed a Pakistani fighter – which Pakistan denies – but India was still embarrassed by the capture of its MiG-21 pilot, who was shown on Pakistani television and later returned.

What troubles the Indian Air Force was that Pakistan was able to destroy an Indian jet from long range. “Among the Indian Air Force's fighters which were targeted were two Sukhoi-30s which managed to evade the AMRAAMs which were fired at close to their maximum range of 100 kilometers [62 miles],” according to NDTV. “Fully defensive and desperate to escape the incoming AMRAAMs, the IAF Sukhoi-30s escaped being shot down but were unable to retaliate the F-16s because they were out of position and their own missiles, the Russian R-77s, did not have the range to realistically engage the Pakistani fighters. IAF sources told NDTV that the Russian missiles do not match its advertised range and cannot engage targets which are more than 80 kilometers [50 miles] away.”

The early-model AIM-120A/B has a range of up to 75 kilometers (46 miles). But in 2010, Pakistan received a batch of the AIM-120C-5, with a range of 100 kilometers (62 miles). The most advanced AIM-120D has an estimated range of up to 160 kilometers (100 miles).

“The PAF surprised the IAF by launching air-to-air missiles from inside Azad Kashmir,” said Sameer Joshi, a former Indian Air Force fighter pilot. “The AMRAAM effectively outranged the IAF air-to-air missiles which did not get a command to launch.”

India is now looking to Israel, from whom it has purchased numerous weapons, such as the Heron drone and the Derby, a radar-guided, beyond-visual-range air-to-air missile with a range of 50 kilometers (31 miles). To counter AMRAAM-armed Pakistani F-16s, the IAF is looking at the improved I-Derby, which features a more radar seeker and – most importantly – a 100-kilometer (62 mile) range.

But that raises another problem: how to integrate an Israeli missile into a Russian airframe (and an ironic problem, given how much Russian-built planes have been destroyed by Israeli missiles). “Integrating the missile into the Russian fighter will be a challenge and, according to sources, will require Israeli expertise, particularly in developing a data-link between the Sukhoi-30 and the missile, once it is fired,” according to NDTV. “A fighter jet communicates with the missile through the data link and passes on updated vectors (location) of the fighter which has been targeted.”

Strangely, while disparaging Russian missiles and buying Israeli ones, the Indian Air Force is reportedly ordering yet more Russian weapons. Moscow is offering medium- and long-range versions of the underperforming R-77.


Michael Peck is a contributing writer for the National Interest. He can be found on Twitter and Facebook. This article appeared last year.

Image: Reuters.

@Signalian Spice bombs failed as well, so what are they on about? Face saving or kickbacks?

 

[Smarana Mitra]

Your netajis say they were 300 or 350 where did you come up with 200? Ah well Nevermind.Nobody lost 200 men!! Thats a bollywood story.

Your Generals wanted a two front war after 2018 Operation Gagan Shakti. They are not talking about a two front war anymore after 27th Feb 2019.

We bombed you back on 27th. You couldnt stop us despite being on high alert , lost a mig21 to Pakistan and shot your own helicopter down in desparation. No wonder your generals dont talk about two front war anymore. They know you have a useless military.

Who said that India doesn't speak of 2 front war? In fact, India is talking of 2.5 front war where 2 front is Pakistan and Bangladesh while 0.5 front is internal jihadis. India doesn't have intention of fighting China and it is only optics. China is a pagan country and India respects its civilisation.

 

[JafarQureshi]

not an issue of missiles but rather radars. The cold hard fact is that Pakistan jammed all the indian radars be it the israeli made awacs (which is an aesa by the way) or the isreali made ground radars or the isreali made bison radar or the russian made su30 radar (which is also aesa by the way) or the french made m2k radar, you name it...they were ALL jammed. PAF waltzed in during broad daylight & bombed the indians in 6 different places without any single challenge or defensive fire...abhithenonedone also admitted that he didn't even know which direction he was flying in which is clear indication that radars were jammed. and without a functioning radar, you can have the best missiles in the world and they'll still just be duds! russian aam missiles as some of the best out their but the buck stops at the radar!

India does not have AESA radar. SU-30 radar is PESA.

 

[Khanivore]

We don't care as long as it serves the purpose. We get what we paid for, be it Apaches, Chinooks, P-8i's or Rafaels.

Only simpletons think it is as simple as milking a cow.

How about buying that S-400 system, it's sure enough taking India time to buy it. What, Uncle Sam complicated things a bit?

 

[Secularindian]

India does not have AESA radar. SU-30 radar is PESA.

PESA Is Stronger radar than any Doppler Radar Pakistan have Its has Large range
Plus Israeli EW Makes MKI's hard Kill
Whatever the Dubious claims are Made By both IAF & PAF