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India is such an amazing experience: DCNS' Patrick Boissier


Patrick Boissier, chairman and CEO of French naval construction giant DCNS, gives you the impression that nothing else excites him more than your questions. But he isn't being deceptive. "We are happy to state that our integration and working relationship with MDL (Mazagon Docks) is seamless and operationally efficient," he says. Under the ongoing P75 programme - India's biggest submarine-building project - MDL is producing six Scorpene submarines through a transfer-oftechnology deal with DCNS.

On reasons for the delay in the P75 programme, he says one has to approach the question in the context of the project's complexity. "The Scorpene programme by its very nature is huge, complex and challenging both in terms of competences and the industrial means involved," notes Boissier, who was in Delhi recently. Boissier adds that "integration of large teams always take time". He adds, "On a technical point of view, a submarine needs to fulfil strong requirements (safety of the crew, acoustic discretion, reliability, availability, etc), while operating in harsh environments. When the submarine dives, the physical constraints involved are very important. Temperature variations and repeated dives mean your submarine's structure will go through a lot of dilatations and contractions. One needs to be precise and accurate not only in the design phase but also in the manufacture and assembling of every part involved. This is when the DCNS team liaises with MDL providing daily training and support on the supervision."

Moreover, according to him, one has to bear in mind that MDL had stopped manufacturing submarines for more than 10 years until the P75 programme was awarded. "As expected, teething problems are inevitable and MDL has been able to overcome them in only some three years."

"To date, MDL has completed fabrication of the hulls of five submarines. The sixth hull shall be completed by the yearend and outfitting works are in progress on the first submarine," he adds, emphasising that "this is a commendable accomplishment." Boissier finds the Indian Navy as well as Indian companies experienced in their respective fields.

"The learning opportunity for DCNS and the Indian companies is quite mutual," he notes. "With support from MDL, DCNS is working at selection and qualification of Indian companies as partners for local production of equipment for Scorpenes. For example, with the expertise and cooperation of Flash Forge India, DCNS India has delivered the first locally-produced Scorpene submarine equipment to MDL. Additionally, DCNS India has announced a partnership recently with SEC Industries India under the Scorpene submarine programme," he explains.

He goes on to dwell at length on his other India projects. "DCNS is aiming at P75I (a follow-up to P75) and the LPD (landing platform docks) programme.

In P75I, we have answered the RFI (request for information) and are now waiting for the RFP (request for proposal). We believe that we will be in a position to propose a submarine meeting all the expectations."
"We believe our Mistral-class amphibious ship could be the answer on needs of the Indian Navy's modernisation programme,"
he adds.

On innovative projects in the pipeline, including underwater nuclear energy projects, he says, "DCNS has built up a unique expertise in the course of its history on securing the oceans (it builds warships and submarines besides offering other naval services). Today, we want to go further by developing solutions not only to secure, but also to make the most of the oceans in a sustainable way."

He adds, "In civil nuclear energy, we are developing a subsea nuclear power plant named FlexBlue.

The FlexBlue concept calls for plant housed in a cylindrical hull measuring around 100 m in length. Flex-Blue plants are designed to be moored on an extremely-stable sea floor at a depth of 60-100 ma few kilometres offshore. A FlexBlue plant should be able to meet the electricity requirements of regions with a population of 1-10 lakh, depending on the plant's power rating, living standards and the needs of local industries."

He hastens to add that the company came up with this concept even before last year's Fukushima nuclear disaster. "Fukushima was a very tragic event. Japan faced both a striking earthquake and a huge tsunami.

The power plant was hit by both and faced structural damages and cooling issues. FlexBlue is to be moored on the seabed; it wouldn't be endangered by earthquakes. As FlexBlue is to be installed at a depth of 60-100 m a few kilometres offshore, tsunamis wouldn't have any impact."

He says DCNS is investing heavily in research and development on "four key renewable marine energies". They include offshore floating windmills on which first trials at sea are expected by early 2013.

"We are also focusing on wave energy, ocean thermal energy conversion and tidal stream energy," he says.

"We believe India - through its huge maritime footprint - would be interested in more of our solutions," he sums up.

DCNS' Patrick Boissier: India is such an amazing experience - The Economic Times

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Mistral Class Amphibious Assault Ship
 
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i'm backing Mistral for LPD/LHD acquisition..i think mistral will be perfect...a balanced LHD.
 
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Mistral seems to be a shoe-in for the IN's needs. But according to PSG the IN aren't interested in the P75I and will instead go for 10 SSNs. I don't know what proof he has for this but it certainly doesn't seem to reflect the view of media outlets.
 
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We should go for

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Spanish ship Juan Carlos I (L61) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It can Operate STOVL Aircrafts. Could be used as an Aircraft carrier.

Not really relevant right now as an immediate need, man. Our underwater fleet is in terrible condition compared to surface fleet which is progressing very well and balanced with both indigenous and international systems. Submarines is something we need badly.

Please remember that Arihant, Aridhaman and other nuclear subs would be additional subs with a totally new role; but we are still badly short of conventional attack submarines. Right now, it is not reasonable to have too many LPDs as we are not going for multiple coastal assaults anytime in the coming decade (hope that we don't have to). So let the entire focus be on two things:

- Conventional/Nuke submarines
- Naval air arm.

Our development of corvettes, frigates and destroyers is going very smoothly and doesn't need too much concern. :)

Asomewe!!!

Is Vietnam planning any new submarine acquisitions apart from the new Russian ones you bought 2 years ago? What about new surface warships? Any update? :)

It can Operate STOVL Aircrafts. Could be used as an Aircraft carrier.

And what exactly do we launch from it? Harriers can't always do a VTOL and IN pilots only advise it under extreme circumstances due to technical concerns.
 
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Not really relevant right now as an immediate need, man. Our underwater fleet is in terrible condition compared to surface fleet which is progressing very well and balanced with both indigenous and international systems. Submarines is something we need badly.

Please remember that Arihant, Aridhaman and other nuclear subs would be additional subs with a totally new role; but we are still badly short of conventional attack submarines. Right now, it is not reasonable to have too many LPDs as we are not going for multiple coastal assaults anytime in the coming decade (hope that we don't have to). So let the entire focus be on two things:

- Conventional/Nuke submarines
- Naval air arm.

Our development of corvettes, frigates and destroyers is going very smoothly and doesn't need too much concern. :)

It is not a case of either or between the surface and sub fleets now, and more so in the future there are plenty of funds to go around. Considering many of these large purchases will be spread overtime and at the current rate India's defence budget doubles every 5/6 years. For future deployments either offensive or humanitarian LHD/LPD are very much required, the IN learnt this after 2004 earthquake. The IN is simultaneously raising a Marine infantry expeditionary force to man these ships, they're not doing this for nothing.
 
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Mistral seems to be a shoe-in for the IN's needs. But according to PSG the IN aren't interested in the P75I and will instead go for 10 SSNs. I don't know what proof he has for this but it certainly doesn't seem to reflect the view of media outlets.

can you post the link to his post coz i cant find anything on net

By the way , i heard that PSG has been harping that P75I will be cancelled and 3-4 Scorpene class Subs with AIP will be ordered

As far as nuclear subs are concerned , well Govt has infact cleared 8 Nuclear Subs comprising 4 Arihant class and 4 SSN
but there is info or suggestion about no of SSN increasing from 4 to 8
By the way , we are only looking at 8 Nuclear Subs by 2030
and i dont think IN would like their SSK fleet to fall to 10 from 14
 
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i'm backing Mistral for LPD/LHD acquisition..i think mistral will be perfect...a balanced LHD.

It would be a great addition for sure, but the question is what IN really wants and what DCNS really offers. The RFP was precisely for LDP not LHDs, but DCNS could offer an LPD on base of the Mistral class, because the only changes are the flightdeck and the hangar for aircrafts. Anything below these would be the same for an LDP as well, so there should be no big issue on re-designing it.


It is not a case of either or between the surface and sub fleets now

Not between the surface and sub fleets, but between what is important for Indias security and what not. Anti submarine warfare, increased maritime surveillance, more costal patrol vessels is what we need to face the threats. Amphibious ships and aircrafts are good in additional roles of IN, but not important for Indias security, because we don't need amphibious landing capability against any of our opponents. As Tshering22 said, they should have different priorities in this field.
 
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can you post the link to his post coz i cant find anything on net

By the way , i heard that PSG has been harping that P75I will be cancelled and 3-4 Scorpene class Subs with AIP will be ordered

As far as nuclear subs are concerned , well Govt has infact cleared 8 Nuclear Subs comprising 4 Arihant class and 4 SSN
but there is info or suggestion about no of SSN increasing from 4 to 8
By the way , we are only looking at 8 Nuclear Subs by 2030
and i dont think IN would like their SSK fleet to fall to 10 from 14


This is what he wrote:

As for the P-75I submarine construction project, just as I had expected and speculated earlier, the Indian Navy is far more interested in acquiring up to nine SSNs instead of a second type of SSK of imported design. To this end, the only candidate left on the plate is the Barracuda SSN from DCNS, which was showcased at the expo as well. Meanwhile, for acquiring replacements for its existing nine Type 877EKM Kilo-class SSKs, a follow-on batch of four Scorpenes will be ordered to add to the six already on order. In a related development, the Indian Navy has undertaken an exhaustive evaluation of all AIP suite contenders and has concluded that the Stirling AIP pack from Kockums AB (now owned by Germany's Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems, or TMS) is the best and most cost-effectove solution, especially since fuel cell-based AIP suites will require the creation of extensive shore-based support infrastructure facilities (at all three existing submarine bases and two new projected ones), this indeed being a cost-prohibitive proposition. Therefore, the first SSKs to be equipped with Stirling AIP packs will be the four existing Class 209/Type 1500 SSKs and the four to-be-ordered Scorpenes.

From:

TRISHUL: More DEFEXPO 2012 Highlights
 
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care to elaborate mate?

The scorpene subs have overshot their deadline by miles.... MDL frequently comes out with comments like-- "deadline is due to tremendous amount of technicalities which cannot be absorbed by them effectively in short time"

We should have got 2 scorpene subs by now by initial estimates.
 
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