India is a Hindu nation, says RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat

[Indrani]

Who told you Sachar didn't consulted CSDS? Have you read his report? If not, read it properly

Yeah that is why it ignored the findings of the CDS survey conducted in 2004 that Hindus were poorer than Muslims. You need to read it properly to point out how Muslims are the most marginalized sections of India when in 4 out of 5 human development Indicators they lead the majority community in this country. Or is it your case that unless Hindus become the most backward and poor community in India and enslaved to all minorities there wont be true secularism in this country.

No body said that Muslims had been left behind horrible Hindu society. What has been said is their general state of economy, education and health is below average. If you have patience, read the report and then refute my claim.

What general state of economy when they lead both in child and infant health and well as life span average than the Hindu majority? Are you saying that their poverty is making them healthier and live longer than the Hindus? Hmm, may be all of us should aspire to become poor then.

No body is blaming or blamed Hindus. Come out of this victim hood psyche.

Victimhood psyche? Is that not what you commies have been feeding the Muslims? Have you not been bleating out from all major international platforms how they have been discriminated against and the Hindus are killing them. Is that not what every Pakistani rubs on our faces when they point out to the Sachar report which you time and again validate by bringing up. You are the problem and the traitor who propagates wrong information in utter bad faith of the majority community and claim high moral ground for doing so. You are the person who poisons the Indian society.

Why should I question Pala? They have refuted Sachar, not me. Its upto them to prove themselves right

Well since they have conducted the research then you must read their research paper.

 

[scorpionx]

Yeah that is why it ignored the findings of the CDS survey conducted in 2004 that Hindus were poorer than Muslims. You need to read it properly to point out how Muslims are the most marginalized sections of India when in 4 out of 5 human development Indicators they lead the majority community in this country. Or is it your case that unless Hindus become the most backward and poor community in India and enslaved to all minorities there wont be true secularism in this country.

Again the same rhetoric. Specify the methodology CSDS adapted. Until then it makes no sense in saying Sachar denied CSDS report.

What general state of economy when they lead both in child and infant health and well as life span average than the Hindu majority? Are you saying that their poverty is making them healthier and live longer than the Hindus? Hmm, may be all of us should aspire to become poor then.

If child mortality and life span are the only key indicators of economic state of a community, then Sachar report would have concluded within 20 pages. It would have spared him much more time to play with his kids.

Victimhood psyche? Is that not what you commies have been feeding the Muslims? Have you not been bleating out from all major international platforms how they have been discriminated against and the Hindus are killing them. Is that not what every Pakistani rubs on our faces when they point out to the Sachar report which you time and again validate by bringing up. You are the problem and the traitor who propagates wrong information in utter bad faith of the majority community and claim high moral ground for doing so. You are the person who poisons the Indian society.

Now, you are diverting the topic. Instead of refuting Sachar you have started blaming Communists and Pakistanis, as usual. When are Bengalis coming to our argument? Your next post perhaps. But I am leaving this thread as it's just a simple waste of time. Don't have much time to contradict blog writers of organizations like patriot forum.

 

[Indrani]

Again the same rhetoric. Specify the methodology CSDS adapted. Until then it makes no sense in saying Sachar denied CSDS report.

Oh now you are doubting the methodology of CSDS report itself. Why do you not present what methodology Sachar committee adopted and how the CSDS report methodology was in variance with it. The CSDS report was a very significant finding of Prof. Sanjay Kumar, based on a survey comprising 27,000 random samples.

If child mortality and life span are the only key indicators of economic state of a community, then Sachar report would have concluded within 20 pages. It would have spared him much more time to play with his kid

If child mortality and life span are the only key indicators of economic state of a community, then Sachar report would have concluded within 20 pages. It would have spared him much more time to play with his kids

Right life span and child mortality are no indicators at all. That just happens via Islamic magic. Perhaps if all Hindus became Muslims then even without economic prosperity they will all achieved prolonged lifespan and better child morality figures.

Now, you are diverting the topic. Instead of refuting Sachar you have started blaming Communists and Pakistanis, as usual. When are Bengalis coming to our argument? Your next post perhaps. But I am leaving this thread as it's just a simple waste of time. Don't have much time to contradict blog writers of organizations like patriot forum.

Those blog writers are the people who were the truth tellers who exposed all the lies and traitorous behaviors of the establishment all these years. It is your establishment which was shown the door this last election. It was people whom you admire who are finding themselves jobless now and will do even more so in the future. All the liars are being called out. The notice has been served.

 

[Iggy]

Damn those secularists!!oh wait!!

 

[scorpionx]

Oh now you are doubting the methodology of CSDS report itself. Why do you not present what methodology Sachar committee adopted and how the CSDS report methodology was in variance with it. The CSDS report was a very significant finding of Prof. Sanjay Kumar, based on a survey comprising 27,000 random samples.

I did not doubt CSDS methodology. Sachar, while preparing his report has clearly consulted CSDS. How that report varied is a matter of question. Until we have clear idea about the methodology applied by CSDS, we can not say Sachar ignored the report.

Right life span and child mortality are no indicators at all. That just happens via Islamic magic. Perhaps if all Hindus became Muslims then even without economic prosperity they will all achieved prolonged lifespan and better child morality figures.

It is not Islamic magic. It is your ignorance. Sachar report in the beginning itself says that Muslims were historically an urbanized community. More urbanization means less child and infant mortality rate. What he says next is up to you to find out.

Those blog writers are the people who were the truth tellers who exposed all the lies and traitorous behaviors of the establishment all these years. It is your establishment which was shown the door this last election. It was people whom you admire who are finding themselves jobless now and will do even more so in the future. All the liars are being called out. The notice has been served.

Truth tellers!! Patriot forum displays the image of a person on their webpage as a national hero they murdered sixty seven years ago. Quite honest people, I guess.

 

[CorporateAffairs]

Stoking yet another controversy, RSS chief Mohan Bhagwat on Sunday said India is a Hindu nation and Hindutva is its identity.

"Hindustan is a Hindu nation...Hindutva is the identity of our nation and it (Hinduism) can incorporate others (religions) in itself," he said.

Last week, Bhagwat had said in Cuttack, "The cultural identity of all Indians is Hindutva and the present inhabitants of the country are descendants of this great culture."

If inhabitants of England are English, Germany are Germans and USA are Americans then why all inhabitants of Hindustan are not known as Hindus, he had posed.

Bhagwat was in Mumbai on Sunday on the occasion of Krishna Janamashtami to attend the inauguration programme of the golden jubilee celebrations of the VHP, that was founded in Mumbai on August 29-30, 1964.

He said the goal of VHP in the coming five years would be to ensure equality among the Hindus of the nation.

"For the next 5 years we have to work with the aim of bringing equality among all the Hindus in the country. All Hindus should be drinking water at one place, should be praying at one place and after their death, their bodies should be burnt at the same place," he said.

VHP Chief Praveen Togadia, who was also present, told reporters when asked to comment on Ram Mandir issue, that a grand Ram Mandir will be built in Ayodhya "at any cost".

"We have decided to build a grand temple in Ayodhya at any cost. Ram Mandir will be on our agenda till we do not build the temple," he said.

Togadia said that no step taken by Pakistan should be considered a step towards peace-making till it hands over people who are wanted by the Indian authorities.

"Pakistan is violating ceasefires again and again on the border. Unless Pakistan hands over Dawood Ibrahim, Hafiz Saeed and Masood Azhar to India, and they are lawfully hanged by India, none of their steps should be considered as peace making steps," he said.

Read more at: India is a Hindu nation, says RSS Chief Mohan Bhagwat : West, News - India Today

Wat right you've got to post this?

BD is a islamic country, UK is christian dominated country (tw flags of urs).

 

[Indrani]

It is not Islamic magic. It is your ignorance. Sachar report in the beginning itself says that Muslims were historically an urbanized community. More urbanization means less child and infant mortality rate. What he says next is up to you to find out.

More urbanization is also an indication of prosperity in case you did not know. The more rural the more backward which in our case study are the Hindus. Also considering the Muslims invariably took to business and self-employment means they have a huge presence in the in-formal section of our economy and a rather prosperous one.

Truth tellers!! Patriot forum displays the image of a person on their webpage as a national hero they murdered sixty seven years ago. Quite honest people, I guess.

Who did they murder? Mr. Gandhi? Are you sure it is the members of the Patriot forum who murdered Gandhi? It is a black mark on them that they did not take the initiative to murder him.

 

[Bilal9]

Wat right you've got to post this?

BD is a islamic country, UK is christian dominated country (tw flags of urs).

Bzzzzt !! Wrong !!! Bangladesh is a secular country with a secular constitution. Whatever that means to you - good or bad.

For the record minorities are very well represented in govt. (The number of minority MP's and ministers in the Sheikh Hasina administration is well beyond their percentage in Bangladeshi society).

 

[INDIC]

Bzzzzt !! Wrong !!! Bangladesh is a secular country with a secular constitution. Whatever that means to you - good or bad.
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Sounds too fancy sounding.

Bangladesh govt retains Islam as state religion - News Oneindia

 

[Bilal9]

Sounds too fancy sounding.

Bangladesh govt retains Islam as state religion - News Oneindia

And your point? This was a court decision which also said (as in the link above) that "Bangladeshi Hindus, Buddhists and Christians could practice their religion freely, without any restrictions".

There is no Jamati equivalent of organized fascist extremist outfits like RSS, Shivsena etc. in Bangladesh, propaganda notwithstanding. People don't tolerate it like they do in India.

But let's not divert the topic, we're talking about India - not Bangladesh.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And your point? This was a court decision which also said (as in the link above) that "Bangladeshi Hindus, Buddhists and Christians could practice their religion freely, without any restrictions".

There is no Jamati equivalent of organized fascist extremist outfits like RSS, Shivsena etc. in Bangladesh, propaganda notwithstanding. People don't tolerate it like they do in India.

But let's not divert the topic, we're talking about India - not Bangladesh.

Perhaps @INDIC wants to point out the intellectual dishonesty or ignorance on your part. Pls don't take offense.

But yes, we should focus on India, not Bangladesh.

 

[Bilal9]

Perhaps @INDIC wants to point out the intellectual dishonesty or ignorance on your part. Pls don't take offense.

But yes, we should focus on India, not Bangladesh.

I agree and no offense taken. However without being immersed in a local culture it is very hard to understand what a vocal minority says about that culture and how much weight it really carries in public discourse (like in this case where a virtual nobody declares India a Hindu State). Clearly a 'who gives a s**t' situation.

Also class structure dictates how much of a minority (religious/cultural) one really is...

 

[SarthakGanguly]

I agree and no offense taken. However without being immersed in a local culture it is very hard to understand what a vocal minority says about that culture and how much weight it really carries in public discourse (like in this case where a virtual nobody declares India a Hindu State). Clearly a 'who gives a s**t' situation.

Also class structure dictates how much of a minority (religious/cultural) one really is...

Actually the sense conveyed here is only cultural. Hindu culture encompasses all of India. There is a subtle difference between Hindu Nation and Hindu state. A Hindu state would have Hindu-ness enforced. A Hindu nation won't. This has nothing to do with Sanatan Dharm.

 

[Bilal9]

Actually the sense conveyed here is only cultural. Hindu culture encompasses all of India. There is a subtle difference between Hindu Nation and Hindu state. A Hindu state would have Hindu-ness enforced. A Hindu nation won't. This has nothing to do with Sanatan Dharm.

So - let me get some clarification. Several posters prior to you have said that regardless of religion Indians should be culturally 'Hindu'. This means that the artifacts of Hindu religion usually dominates culture. An example is that Indians start any new auspicious business venture with a lamp lighting ceremony. In Bangladesh we offer Munajat (prayers). Same I'm guessing in Pakistan.

Does this mean then that the Muslim administrators of Aligarh university in India (say if they lay the foundation stone for a new Building at their campus) have to light lamps? Since India is culturally Hindu? If they don't want to - then are they forced to? How do they conduct this ritual that is close to their religious culture?

In Bangladesh (since minorities are allowed to practice their religious freedom) Hindu minorities are free to light lamps, recite shlokas or whatever they desire to inaugurate their auspicious occasion. We in Bangladesh are culturally Muslim majority but we don't go around saying Bangladesh is culturally Muslim, i.e. minorities have to follow Muslim culture. We don't 'impose' our Muslim culture on minorities.

Care to shed some light on this?

 

[Sankpal]

Why not someone kill all these mentality people