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But the persian word hindu refers to people living near indus river and this river mainly flows in pakistan. Saying all indians are hindu is like saying all indians are pakistani.


Are you sure culture of north indians & south indians is same & there is no difference in culture of gujratis & assamese?
If there is no discriminaton on the basis of caste system in indian religions then what is the need for reservation policy?

Sindhu is just a lifeline of once advanced human civilization flourished in there.It is about that people.
Before 1947 Pakistan also was a part of India.It is created because of the invasion against the same Indians by Persian and central Asians .Those who resist that invasion moved in to the inner parts of India and mingled with the tribals there.
And perhaps there is some reason for almost similar culture present in Indian Subcontinent.including India and other SA nations.

Languages and certain customs are different.But practicing of Hinduism still remain same except some variation.NI and SI always worshipped Lord Krishna and other Hindu Gods.
Saree ,a cultural iconic cloth of Indian women can see most of states in India.There is some cultural difference is still in here but we have some unity ,for a certain extent it is the main contribution of this Dharmic religion.
 
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India is a anti-muslim 3rd world pagan state with a facade of secularism. It was never secular to being with. :coffee:
 
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Sindhu is just a lifeline of once advanced human civilization flourished in there.It is about that people.
Before 1947 Pakistan also was a part of India.It is created because of the invasion against the same Indians by Persian and central Asians .Those who resist that invasion moved in to the inner parts of India and mingled with the tribals there.
And perhaps there is some reason for almost similar culture present in Indian Subcontinent.including India and other SA nations.

Languages and certain customs are different.But practicing of Hinduism still remain same except some variation.NI and SI always worshipped Lord Krishna and other Hindu Gods.
Saree ,a cultural iconic cloth of Indian women can see most of states in India.There is some cultural difference is still in here but we have some unity ,for a certain extent it is the main contribution of this Dharmic religion.
Words Indus ,sindhu or hindu has nothing to with rest of india. Different rivers are lifelines of different parts of india. In India language ,food , living lifestyle changes after almost every 200 km. You are right NI or SI sanatan dharmis worship same gods but it doesn't mean social culture of NI or SI people of all religions is same like arab muslims & indonesian muslims worship same religion but their culture is different. In states like kashmir, punjab,arunachal, himachal sarees are not so popular among women as in other states.

Hindustan is derived from the modern persian word Hindū and Modern day North India was included as Hindustān in Persian. Therefore word hindustan is not valid on south & eastern india. In the last I can only say that Indians can be Bhartis but certainly not the hindus.
 
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Commie lies again comrade?

The following are the five major globally recognized human development indicators :

i) Infant Mortality;

ii) Child Mortality;

iii) Life Expectancy at Birth;

iv) Degree of Urbanisation ;

v) Literacy

Hindus are far behind the Muslims in the first four human development indices, excepting literacy in which Hindus with 65.1 percent literacy are marginally ahead of Muslims who have the literacy average of 59.1 percent.

How Justice Sachar helped loot poor Hindu children's scholarships - IndiaFactsIndiaFacts
Before calling me a liar, why don't you read the complete report yourself and make your own conclusion instead of believing what others think?
 
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Before calling me a liar, why don't you read the complete report yourself and make your own conclusion instead of believing what others think?

This is what the report says. That out of 5 parameters of human development indicators, Muslims are ahead of Hindus in 4 of them. That makes you a liar. Just as those secular commies reading Ramayana see nothing good in it but Sita's abandonment, they also see only Muslim deprivation as per Sachar report. Talk about vested interests and political motives.

Also while Sachar Committee report is the holy grail for you MB Shah commission and Nanavati commission report on Modi are all of course biased and unreliable.
 
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But the persian word hindu refers to people living near indus river and this river mainly flows in pakistan. Saying all indians are hindu is like saying all indians are pakistani.


Are you sure culture of north indians & south indians is same & there is no difference in culture of gujratis & assamese?
If there is no discriminaton on the basis of caste system in indian religions then what is the need for reservation policy?
May be some difference,But the Modern Indian culture is some what blended..We do eat chappathi,poori,halwa,galebi,tikka,kebab like yours and wear kurta,churidaar,salwar etc like you Punjabis and rest of North indians..
yes,you could see some variations in skin tone,body size,facial appearance,thats mainly due to the difference in climate,food habits etc...
i said caste/religious backgrounds are not a barrier for achieving any positions in India..Our former president 'Abdul kalam' is a Muslim,K R Narayanan is from a dalit community and former PM 'Manmohan Singh' is from your sikh community..Caste reservations are there for those peoples,who need more focus and concern,especially for dalit and tribal classes(unfortunately they are still living in miserable conditions,but slightly improving though)...
 
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This is what the report says. That out of 5 parameters of human development indicators, Muslims are ahead of Hindus in 4 of them. That makes you a liar. Just as those secular commies reading Ramayana see nothing good in it but Sita's abandonment, they also see only Muslim deprivation as per Sachar report. Take about vested interests and political motives.

Also while Sachar Committee report is the holy grail for you MB Shah commission and Nanavati commission report on Modi are all of course biased and unreliable.
Its called selective reading to suit your own purpose. You are just being a bigot by just sticking to five points; Even then your conclusion is wrong. Its a 450 page report and you are meaninglessly arguing with first 25 pages. Go and read about those five points again, comrade.
 
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Words Indus ,sindhu or hindu has nothing to with rest of india. Different rivers are lifelines of different parts of india. In India language ,food , living lifestyle changes after almost every 200 km. You are right NI or SI sanatan dharmis worship same gods but it doesn't mean social culture of NI or SI people of all religions is same like arab muslims & indonesian muslims worship same religion but their culture is different. In states like kashmir, punjab,arunachal, himachal sarees are not so popular among women as in other states.

Hindustan is derived from the modern persian word Hindū and Modern day North India was included as Hindustān in Persian. Therefore word hindustan is not valid on south & eastern india. In the last I can only say that Indians can be Bhartis but certainly not the hindus.

Wrong .India is remain as one nation because of this Sanatan Dharma or Hinduism.The culture of this
religion that can tolerate any other tradition ensure the survival of this nation.Other civlizations created durong the same age of Hinduism destroyed thousands of years ago.Because of the lack of something that can see abundantly in Hinduism.
Buddhism , Sikhism also got their half life from Hinduism.
 
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Its called selective reading to suit your own purpose. You are just being a bigot by just sticking to five points; Even then your conclusion is wrong. Its a 450 page report and you are meaninglessly arguing with first 25 pages. Go and read about those five points again, comrade.

You do not have any point to argue which is why you are directing me to read the whole 450 page report. Otherwise you would have presented succinctly the points which you think support your thesis. The Majority Report by Ram Kumar Ohri gives point by point rebuttal to the fabricated and patently malafide Sachar committee report.


Open Letter to Salman Khurshid - IndiaFactsIndiaFacts

Rebuttals galore for the Sachar Report
The first well-documented rebuttal of the flawed findings of Justice Sachar came on September 2, 2006, when a paper was circulated by Prof. Sanjay Kumar of the Centre of Studies for Developing Studies, New Delhi, in a seminar organized at the prestigious Indian Institute of Public Administration. The research of Prof. Sanjay Kumar presented in a packed hall of distinguished scholars in the auditorium of the I.I.P.A. revealed that there was hardly any difference in the economic and educational status of the Hindus and the Muslims.

The indepth research based on a survey by the Centre for Developing Societies further highlighted that the proportion of ‘the very poor’ Indians was higher among the Hindus than among the Muslims. The survey conducted in the year 2004 showed that the percentage of ‘very poor’ Hindus was 31 percent while the percentage of the ‘ very poor’ among Muslims was only 24 percent. Thus, on the basis of the CDS survey the percentage of the ‘very poor’ people among the Hindus was nearly 25 percent higher than among the Muslims ! It was a very significant finding of Prof. Sanjay Kumar, based on a survey comprising 27,000 random samples.

Mysteriously this important finding was ignored by Justice Sachar despite a clear directive in the Prime Minister’s Notification dated March 9, 2005 to Justice Sachar’s High Level Committee to “obtain relevant information from Departments/ agencies of the Central & State Governments and also conduct an intensive literature survey to identify the published data, articles, and research on relative social, economic and educational status of Muslims in India at the State, regional and district levels” to address the problems faced by Muslims.

More importantly, Prof. Sanjay Kumar’s research paper highlighting these important findings was duly sent to Justice Sachar by a Think tank named Patriots’ Forum. But the former Chief Justice of Delhi High Court chose to ignore the truth altogether.

The second rebuttal of Justice Sachar’s fabricated findings came in October, 2010 when the National Health Survey- 3 (2005-2006) revealed a quantum jump of 5.4 years from 62.6 years in the life expectancy of Muslims within a short span of 7 years, i.e., between 1998 and 2005. The advantage which Muslims had over their Hindu counterparts in life expectancy at birth was barely 1.2 years in 1998-1999, but it grew to 3 years in 2005-2006, as revealed by the National Family Health Survey -3.

And the master mystery of mysteries was that the results of the National Family Health Survey of 2005-2006 were released in October, 2010–i.e. after a long delay of four years! This inordinate delay was responsible for facilitating the implementation of Sachar Committee’s recommendations favouring the Muslim community. The discriminatory largesse of 20 million scholarships and cheaper educational and entrepreneurial loans of several lakh crore rupees was showered on Muslims, along with 4 minorities in gross violation of the Right to Equality enshrined in the Constitution.

The third rebuttal of Justice Sachar’s fudged facts was made public in the findings of Rajesh Shukla, a Senior Fellow of the National Council of Applied Economic Research published in theEconomic Times, New Delhi, on April 5, 2007, reconfirming that there was hardly any difference in the economic status of the Hindus and Muslims. Among other things Rajesh Shukla’s survey disclosed that the Sikh community were ‘the Sardars in Prosperity’ with Christians closely following behind them.

The fourth rebuttal of Justice Sachar’s findings came on February 24, 2011, in the reply to a Parliament Question answered by Vincent H. Pala, the Minister of State for Minorities in Lok Sabha admitting that the central government had no data pertaining to the number of persons living below the poverty line according to religious denominations. If as late as the year 2011, the government had no data about the number of Muslims and Hindus living below the poverty line, why were the fudged findings of Justice Sachar accepted and implemented several years ago?



The fifth demolition of the lies propagated by Sachar Committee came on October 24-25, 2011, when in a Seminar jointly organized by the United Nations Development Programmeand India’s Planning Commission at Claridge’s Hotel, two scholars of the Jawaharlal Nehru University (Sukhdeo Thorat and Amaresh Pandey) presented a research paper reconfirming that there had been far greater poverty reduction among the Muslims than among the Hindus between 2004-2005 to 2009-2010.

Despite these five research-based rebuttals of the Sachar Report, the multidimensional discrimination against the unwashed daughters and sons of the poorest Hindus, living below the poverty line has continued at a fast pace, perhaps in deference to the policy announcement made by the Prime Minister in December, 2006, on Sonia Gandhi’s birthday.


The only bigot here is you, an anti-Hindu liar playing to the majority schema of the world to earn some favors from them perhaps.
 
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Its called selective reading to suit your own purpose. You are just being a bigot by just sticking to five points; Even then your conclusion is wrong. Its a 450 page report and you are meaninglessly arguing with first 25 pages. Go and read about those five points again, comrade.

You are the one who claims to have read the report so the onus is on you to distil out the points that counters her assertion.

You are the one indulging in name calling and slander (bigot) which shows you again in poor light.

Instead of countering her points you respond with bluster. So how about that detailed counter points comrade ?
 
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You do not have any point to argue which is why you are directing me to read the whole 450 page report. Otherwise you would have presented succinctly the points which you think support your thesis. The Majority Report by Ram Kumar Ohri gives point by point rebuttal to the fabricated and patently malafide Sachar committee report.


Open Letter to Salman Khurshid - IndiaFactsIndiaFacts

Rebuttals galore for the Sachar Report
The first well-documented rebuttal of the flawed findings of Justice Sachar came on September 2, 2006, when a paper was circulated by Prof. Sanjay Kumar of the Centre of Studies for Developing Studies, New Delhi, in a seminar organized at the prestigious Indian Institute of Public Administration. The research of Prof. Sanjay Kumar presented in a packed hall of distinguished scholars in the auditorium of the I.I.P.A. revealed that there was hardly any difference in the economic and educational status of the Hindus and the Muslims.

The indepth research based on a survey by the Centre for Developing Societies further highlighted that the proportion of ‘the very poor’ Indians was higher among the Hindus than among the Muslims. The survey conducted in the year 2004 showed that the percentage of ‘very poor’ Hindus was 31 percent while the percentage of the ‘ very poor’ among Muslims was only 24 percent. Thus, on the basis of the CDS survey the percentage of the ‘very poor’ people among the Hindus was nearly 25 percent higher than among the Muslims ! It was a very significant finding of Prof. Sanjay Kumar, based on a survey comprising 27,000 random samples.

More importantly, Prof. Sanjay Kumar’s research paper highlighting these important findings was duly sent to Justice Sachar by a Think tank named Patriots’ Forum. But the former Chief Justice of Delhi High Court chose to ignore the truth altogether.

And the master mystery of mysteries was that the results of the National Family Health Survey of 2005-2006 were released in October, 2010–i.e. after a long delay of four years! This inordinate delay was responsible for facilitating the implementation of Sachar Committee’s recommendations favouring the Muslim community. The discriminatory largesse of 20 million scholarships and cheaper educational and entrepreneurial loans of several lakh crore rupees was showered on Muslims, along with 4 minorities in gross violation of the Right to Equality enshrined in the Constitution.

The fourth rebuttal of Justice Sachar’s findings came on February 24, 2011, in the reply to a Parliament Question answered by If as late as the year 2011, the government had no data about the number of Muslims and Hindus living below the poverty line, why were the fudged findings of Justice Sachar accepted and implemented several years ago?


Despite these five research-based rebuttals of the Sachar Report, the multidimensional discrimination against the unwashed daughters and sons of the poorest Hindus, living below the poverty line has continued at a fast pace, perhaps in deference to the policy announcement made by the Prime Minister in December, 2006, on Sonia Gandhi’s birthday.


The only bigot here is you, an anti-Hindu liar playing to the majority schema of the world to earn some favors from them perhaps.

If you had really gone through the Sachar report yourself, you would have found that the methodology as followed by Justice Sachar does not deny the above facts at all. In the very beginning of the report itself he says, "No doubt the Muslims have made some visible progress, perception remains that the economic and educational gap between the community and the rest of the SRCs has been widening." The SRC as divided in NSSO are 1. All or total population 2. All Muslims 3. All Muslims (OBC and SC/ST) 4. Hindus (upper Caste and General) 5. Hindus (OBC) 6. Hindus (SC/ST). Now, the SC/ST (Hindus) are the only group that have performed worse than Muslims in some aspects. If you include those SC/ST in to Hindu category as a whole, definitely data of Hindus will be worse than Muslims in those selected aspects.

Mysteriously this important finding was ignored by Justice Sachar despite a clear directive in the Prime Minister’s Notification dated March 9, 2005 to Justice Sachar’s High Level Committee to “obtain relevant information from Departments/ agencies of the Central & State Governments and also conduct an intensive literature survey to identify the published data, articles, and research on relative social, economic and educational status of Muslims in India at the State, regional and district levels” to address the problems faced by Muslims.
Relevant informations had been collected from relevant central and state authority. Which administrative authority he is stating all about that has been ignored?

The second rebuttal of Justice Sachar’s fabricated findings came in October, 2010 when the National Health Survey- 3 (2005-2006) revealed a quantum jump of 5.4 years from 62.6 years in the life expectancy of Muslims within a short span of 7 years, i.e., between 1998 and 2005. The advantage which Muslims had over their Hindu counterparts in life expectancy at birth was barely 1.2 years in 1998-1999, but it grew to 3 years in 2005-2006, as revealed by the National Family Health Survey -3
There is not much to refute actually. Graphs in the report themselves support this fact that Muslims have performed better than HIndus. Any body denied it?

The third rebuttal of Justice Sachar’s fudged facts was made public in the findings of Rajesh Shukla, a Senior Fellow of the National Council of Applied Economic Research published in theEconomic Times, New Delhi, on April 5, 2007, reconfirming that there was hardly any difference in the economic status of the Hindus and Muslims. Among other things Rajesh Shukla’s survey disclosed that the Sikh community were ‘the Sardars in Prosperity’ with Christians closely following behind them.

This is a plain lie. Percentage of Muslim drop outs are much more, number of UG and PG students, number of share of Muslims in PSC posts are way lower than Hindus and other minorities. If there is another comprehensive survey on this publish it on open forum and challenge Sachar report.

The fifth demolition of the lies propagated by Sachar Committee came on October 24-25, 2011, when in a Seminar jointly organized by the United Nations Development Programmeand India’s Planning Commission at Claridge’s Hotel, two scholars of the Jawaharlal Nehru University (Sukhdeo Thorat and Amaresh Pandey) presented a research paper reconfirming that there had been far greater poverty reduction among the Muslims than among the Hindus between 2004-2005 to 2009-2010.

Vincent H. Pala, the Minister of State for Minorities in Lok Sabha admitting that the central government had no data pertaining to the number of persons living below the poverty line according to religious denominations.
If there is no data pertaining the number of persons living below poverty line according to religious denominations how did the JNU scholars came to the conclusion that poverty reduction of Muslims is faster than Hindus?

You are the one indulging in name calling and slander (bigot) which shows you again in poor light.
Oh! Dear, am so sorry. @Indrani don't get offended please.

PS: Just corrected a typo which changed the meaning completely.
 
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If you had really gone through the Sachar report yourself, you would have found that the methodology as followed by Justice Sachar does not deny the above facts at all. In the very beginning of the report itself he says, "No doubt the Muslims have made some visible progress, perception remains that the economic and educational gap between the community and the rest of the SRCs has been widening." The SRC as divided in NSSO are 1. All or total population 2. All Muslims 3. All Muslims (OBC and SC/ST) 4. Hindus (upper Caste and General) 5. Hindus (OBC) 6. Hindus (SC/ST). Now, the SC/ST (Hindus) are the only group that have performed worse than Muslims in some aspects. If you include those SC/ST in to Hindu category as a whole, definitely data of Hindus will be worse than Muslims in those selected aspects.

Aare wah right at the onset the report starts with deliberate manipulation by subdividing Hindus into different sections and comparing all Muslim population with only the top percentile of the Hindu population. Very smart. SC/STs who constitute 25% of India's population make up 40% of the Hindu population and this section is entirely discounted to present a false picture of Muslim marginalization. Talk about liars and scums.


Relevant informations had been collected from relevant central and state authority. Which administrative authority he is stating all about that has been ignored?

This: The indepth research based on a survey by the Centre for Developing Societies further highlighted that the proportion of ‘the very poor’ Indians was higher among the Hindus than among the Muslims.


There is not much to refute actually. Graphs in the report themselves support this fact that Muslims have performed better than HIndus. Any body denied it?

Then what were you bleating on about right at the start of this thread about how poor Muslims have been left behind by the horrible Hindu society.


This is a plain lie. Percentage of drop outs, number of UG and PG students, number of share of Muslims in PSC posts are way lower than Hindus and other minorities. If there is another comprehensive survey on this publish it on open forum and challenge Sachar report.

What is a plain lie? That almost all minorities communities are way above par of the so called discriminating Hindu society? The number of UG and PG students of Muslims community are under represented owing to the communities own reluctance to educate their women folk. Perhaps that is also due to Hindus according to you? Even that aspect has been highlighted earlier on as the only aspect of human development indicator where the Hindus are ahead of the Muslims.



If there is no data pertaining the number of persons living below poverty line according to religious denominations how did the JNU scholars came to the conclusion that poverty reduction of Muslims is faster than Hindus?

Well for that you will have to question Vincent Pala, the ex-minister of the State for Minorities and look into the research paper submitted by the JNU scholars.
 
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This: The indepth research based on a survey by the Centre for Developing Societies further highlighted that the proportion of ‘the very poor’ Indians was higher among the Hindus than among the Muslims.
Who told you Sachar didn't consulted CSDS? Have you read his report? If not, read it properly.

Then what were you bleating on about right at the start of this thread about how poor Muslims have been left behind by the horrible Hindu society.
No body said that Muslims had been left behind horrible Hindu society. What has been said is their general state of economy, education and health is below average. If you have patience, read the report and then refute my claim.

What is a plain lie? That almost all minorities communities are way above par of the so called discriminating Hindu society? The number of UG and PG students of Muslims community are under represented owing to the communities own reluctance to educate their women folk. Perhaps that is also due to Hindus according to you? Even that aspect has been highlighted earlier on as the only aspect of human development indicator where the Hindus are ahead of the Muslims.
No body is blaming or blamed Hindus. Come out of this victim hood psyche.

Well for that you will have to question Vincent Pala, the ex-minister of the State for Minorities and look into the research paper submitted by the JNU scholars.
Why should I question Pala? They have refuted Sachar, not me. Its upto them to prove themselves right.
 
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But I thought india was a proud nation of outdoor poopers :undecided:
It's either mental retardation or intellectual bankruptcy. Which is it? I suspect it's the former.

On topic. I think it's high time this Bhagwat guy needs to shut the fuk up even though he ain't as bad as that hare brained fellow, General Hafiz Saeed. But he's catching up fast.
 
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