INDIA INCREASINGLY WARY OF RISING RUSSIA-PAKISTAN TIES

[Samurai_assassin]

Ab banda kia kahe inko. .PPP is already pro-Iran and holds an agression against KSA-may be because they are Shia or may be because KSA was pro-Zia.
Secondly, did somebody ask a single question while there were reports about India helping ISIS. And what if Pakistan got a chance to earn profit by selling weapons, why there is so much butthurt? If we wont, someone else will.
This isnt not important either reports are true or false, the important point is: all those security experts, BBC journalists, educationists or whatever hold- Ali, Hussain and Naqvi- in their surname. On one hand, they wont listen to Pak govt and on the other, they are trying to create Pakistan as a battle ground for proxiy wars b/w Iran and KSA. Infact they are trying their best to create sect. divide between Pakistani public for someone's interests. Inshort, Mullah loyalists have came out of their caves to support their true homeland, Iran.

There are reports some tribal people from FATA have joined Shias from
Afghanistan to fight for Hezbollah and Irans Revolutionery Guard in Syria supporting Assads forces.

 

[dadeechi]

Iran and Syria is non-issue for us just like India.

I fully agree that for majority of Pakistanis (Sunnis) the relations with Iran & Syria are not important. They will always gravitate towards Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

So you mean to say that Chinese navy at Gwadar would blockade the shipping lanes to India?

India's game plan, IHMO, needs to prevent it from happening at the first place. Once the arrow leaves the bow it's difficult to get it back. They need to work on the moves and the deals that Pak can't refuse....

 

[dadeechi]

India's game plan, IHMO, needs to prevent it from happening at the first place. Once the arrow leaves the bow it's difficult to get it back. They need to work on the moves and the deals that Pak can't refuse....

India's concern is not about Gwadar rather about CPEC passing through the Kashmir region claimed by India.

Chinese navy would be more of a concern for the navies operating in Persian gulf...

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

What have the Indian folks been thinking for the last seventy years? Will it always remain a one way street? What if the Indian energy routes themselves are at stake now? The Indian folks need to come out with "out of the box" strategies with a positive mindset. India is still the home of 200m Muslims and Kashmir is still there to be solved. If the Indian leadership were prudent and wise enough they would have leveraged them to keep all the trade, energy and water corridors for the utmost benefit of themselves and Paks leaving China and Russia out...

Sir,
You have to realize why the Indian's can not forget what happened 70 years back. In-fact what they intend, is to have what was 3000+ years back, something that can not be achieved presently. This mindset is made possible only because they know for sure that they are the only remaining pagan and could face an ultimate war not just with Muslims but with Jew and/or Christian countries.

Jew's and Christian's know that they are going to have a final battle with the Muslims and that would be the day of Armageddon, so they have tried to find a way to delay this date. They can not stop this war but only increase the time till the inevitable moment.

The best way to do this is by dividing the Muslim's which would indeed give rise to regional conflicts. The Indian became their natural allies to this because they fear their time would come well before the rest unfolds. Moreover the Indian are also trying to some how keep the all the One God believers not to unite.

Communist movement in the West gained pace because of various dissimilarities in Europe, South America and Asia. Also Fascism gained popularity in in Europe due to the same reasons. Same thing is gaining support once again in EU countries.

Islamic Law is a mixture of all these concepts and can adapt any one of the systems but still unbent on the concept of ONE GOD. Unfortunately Judaism and Christianity can adapt, still they are trying to find a solution to this problem.

Indian energy routes are not a cause of concern not during peace time but would play a very critical part in times of war.

On topic:
I think India should be happy by Russia-Pakistan relations. I have always maintained that China and Russia will be the one who might help India and Pakistan solve their extraordinary issues, it would never be someone from West.

One should learn to use his/her surroundings hence has to pay reasonable time learning the defence and offence doctrine.

TBH As a Pakistani, I couldn't care less about our ties with Russia. As long as we are not enemies and have cordial relations with one another that's okay. Russia is the superpower of yesteryear. The future of global dominance is with the world's 1st ever global hyper power, China. That's who (along with Turkey) our relationship really matters. All else is insignificant.

Russia always wanted to reach the waters of Arabian Sea. India offered USSR a port in Bombay but that failed .

True but at the end of the day

1) Pakistan is a Sunni majority state

2) Pakistan relations with Saudis & Turkey are much closer than with Iran or Russia i.e. Pakistan would choose Saudis over Iran and Turkey over Russia when it matters

3) RS would be leading the Saudi coalition army

It seems that Pakistan needs new airports and sea ports but also access to them which was offered by China. Russia seeing an opportunity with out loss of live so she is going to go at all lengths.

How?

Look at both East and West Shipping corridors run very close to Pakistan.

The game of chess in on...
@HAKIKAT

 

[CriticalThinker02]

Iran is providing Iranian citizenship to support the families of the fighters who fought and laid down their lives on behalf of her in Syria. Many of these are from Pakistan.

Historically Bhuttos have had close relations with both Iran & Syria.

After ZAB's execution the members of the Bhutto family were granted asylum in Syria.

With PPP out of power in Pakistan, it would be very difficult for Pakistan to maintain its relations with Iran & Syria.

Keep in mind that it was under Nawaz Sharif's rule that we refused the Arab world and took a neutrality stand with the war in Yemen, I know you are venomously biased spreading in your own twisted little weasel way your own self Interest but Pakistan is a mature state and only a fool would involve himself in someone elses war, and if we were a fool we would have done it by now, so go spread your idiotic propaganda with your own Bollywood media and forum, not here.

PPP is a nawab zada party ruled by the elites with massive corruption and zero development, shias in Pakistan do not look at PPP as a shia party and nor does sunnis look at Nawaz Sharif's or Imran Khan's party as sunni parties, unlike BJP's India at-least here in Pakistan party division and elections are not won on the basis of religious and minority differences.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Sir,
You have to realize why the Indian's can not forget what happened 70 years back. In-fact what they intend, is to have what was 3000+ years back, something that can not be achieved presently. This mindset is made possible only because they know for sure that they are the only remaining pagan and could face an ultimate war not just with Muslims but with Jew and/or Christian countries.

Jew's and Christian's know that they are going to have a final battle with the Muslims and that would be the day of Armageddon, so they have tried to find a way to delay this date. They can not stop this war but only increase the time till the inevitable moment.

The best way to do this is by dividing the Muslim's which would indeed give rise to regional conflicts. The Indian became their natural allies to this because they fear their time would come well before the rest unfolds. Moreover the Indian are also trying to some how keep the all the One God believers not to unite.

Communist movement in the West gained pace because of various dissimilarities in Europe, South America and Asia. Also Fascism gained popularity in in Europe due to the same reasons. Same thing is gaining support once again in EU countries.

Islamic Law is a mixture of all these concepts and can adapt any one of the systems but still unbent on the concept of ONE GOD. Unfortunately Judaism and Christianity can adapt, still they are trying to find a solution to this problem.

Indian energy routes are not a cause of concern not during peace time but would play a very critical part in times of war.

One should learn to use his/her surroundings hence has to pay reasonable time learning the defence and offence doctrine.


Russia always wanted to reach the waters of Arabian Sea. India offered USSR a port in Bombay but that failed .



It seems that Pakistan needs new airports and sea ports but also access to them which was offered by China. Russia seeing an opportunity with out loss of live so she is going to go at all lengths.


Look at both East and West Shipping corridors run very close to Pakistan.

The game of chess in on...
@HAKIKAT

Thanks for clarification. From the Indian side it appears to be a done deal leaving almost no room for negotiation. What's gonna happen gonna happen...

 

[Trango Towers]

Kabulov's statement has put an end to daydreaming prevalent among many Pakistani members on this forum.

Politics my young neighbour. Say one thing and do another. Actions matter words don't. Like you surgical strike. Many words no action

 

[Path-Finder]

Thanks for clarification. From the Indian side it appears to be a done deal leaving almost no room for negotiation. What's gonna happen gonna happen...

this will eventually lead towards war!

 

[dadeechi]

Keep in mind that it was under Nawaz Sharif's rule that we refused the Arab world and took a neutrality stand with the war in Yemen, I know you are venomously biased spreading in your own twisted little weasel way your own self Interest but Pakistan is a mature state and only a fool would involve himself in someone elses war, and if we were a fool we would have done it by now, so go spread your idiotic propaganda with your Bollywood media and forum, not here.

PPP is a nawab zada party ruled by the elites with massive corruption and zero development, shias in Pakistan do not look at PPP as a shia party and nor does sunnis look at Nawaz Sharif's or Imran Khan's party as sunni parties, unlike BJP's India at-least here in Pakistan party division and elections are not won on the basis of religious and minority differences.

ZAB was not an elitist rather a mass/people's leader. There is a reason why he was called Quaid-i-Awam.

ZAB was instrumental in building relations with USSR and Baathists of Syria.

PPP always stood for socialist policies and initiated land reforms and nationalization of the industries.

The major affectees of the nationalization were Nawaz Sharif who lost the Ittefaq Group of Industries, and Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain who lost Gujrat Enterprises

To checkmate pro-poor policies of ZAB, Pakistan's military (Zia-ul-Haq) brought NS into politics.

 

[CriticalThinker02]

ZAP was not an elitist rather a mass/people's leader. There is a reason why he was called Quaid-i-Awam.

ZAB was instrumental in building relations with USSR and Baathists of Syria.

PPP always stood for socialist policies and initiated land reforms and nationalization of the industries.

The major affectees of the nationalization were Nawaz Sharif who lost the Ittefaq Group of Industries, and Chaudhry Shujaat Hussain who lost Gujrat Enterprises

To checkmate pro-poor policies of ZAB, Pakistan's military (Zia-ul-Haq) brought NS into politics.

That PPP even if true was the PPP of the bygone era over 40 years ago but even then it never really represented itself as a shia party, today's PPP is ruled by an individual who was famously nicknamed in the 90's as Mr 10% because of extreme and scandalous corruption cases he had under his wife rule and later when he won the elections over his wife's death, PPP never stood for socialist and development policies and if they did then why haven't interior sindh never seen any form of development for decades where they had been in power and influential to this very day?, seriously an Indian is going to come here and lecture me on Pakistan's political history.

 

[dadeechi]

That PPP even if true was the PPP of the bygone era over 40 years ago but even then it never really represented itself as a shia party, today's PPP is ruled by an individual who was famously nicknamed in the 90's as Mr 10% because of extreme and scandalous corruption cases he had under his wife rule and later when he won the elections over his wife's death, PPP never stood for socialist and development policies and if they did then why haven't interior sindh never seen any form of development for decades where they had been in power and influential to this very day?, seriously an Indian is going to come here and lecture me on Pakistan's political history.

To classify ZAB/PPP as elitist is incorrect. That was my limited point.

I have put my perspective as a neutral observer. I do not have to take sides between PPP & PML(N).

I have posted in favor of PML(N) too on many occasions. It's just that people want to read what they want to read.

 

[ACE OF THE AIR]

Thanks for clarification. From the Indian side it appears to be a done deal leaving almost no room for negotiation. What's gonna happen gonna happen...

This is the only Aim they have...Today India is a mature country with an immature population...Any thing is possible, but it seems that the orthodox hindus who are running the power wagon are hell bent on destruction. That is the reason they are taking steps that are very rash and they have also mistaken what might be the red line for the neighbouring countries.

They do not realise this eventually ended up in a war situation then the destruction will be disastrous for them more than Pakistan.

Wait a few days you would hear something good regarding the entire region. China, Russia and Pakistan are waiting for US troops to leave Afghanistan. Trump is going to withdraw US troops from the Persian Gulf as well as Philipines. Before they go they wanted India to step up for filling the void but India can not fulfill this till 2040, something that is unacceptable.

Russia supported China with technology which was upgraded by the Chinese, this meant they prospered. These improvement were not possible through India hence what you see is India trying to procure technology through USA and EU. Something that would take time something the Russians do not have so they are heading to Pakistan as Pakistan has been using both French and US technologies for more then 50 years.

Turkey though is a member of NATO but the recently relations with USA and EU might force her to opt out. This is the very reason Russian might not just gain support of Pakistan through China but also Turkey through Pakistan.

With ISIS defeated in Syria Russia would sell major arms and that to in a very limited time frame so that the Syrian Armed Forces would be capable of defending from other aggressors. This would be also the case with Iraq and lifting of arms embargo on Iran would really solidify the entire region.

This would be solidified by the Central Asian Republics leaving Afghanistan with no other option but to join in and leave aside India. India knows this hence initiated Isolate Pakistan policy.

 

[Zarvan]

TBH As a Pakistani, I couldn't care less about our ties with Russia. As long as we are not enemies and have cordial relations with one another that's okay. Russia is the superpower of yesteryear. The future of global dominance is with the world's 1st ever global hyper power, China. That's who (along with Turkey) our relationship really matters. All else is insignificant.

Russian ties will be real game changer Sir. The impact they would have internationally is not the impact which our relationship with China or Turkey creates. Although we still get more defence equipment from Turkey and China and it may increase in future but relationship with Russia is equally important and game changer in the world.

 

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

Too much waring will cause heart attack to India