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India incapable of waging war on Pakistan, experts say

But do these 545 matter? Even when SunSad was attacked, we kept sucking thumbs and the attacker gets glowing eulogies from our own media.

Lol.. The other side must be thinking like what do we have to do?

Well, if it makes you feel better, you should know that the PAF went on their version of Defense Condition 2 (similar to US DEFCON-2 but limited to conventional war only) about 40 minutes ago. There is heavy movement of SU-30's and Jaguars from two different sides. So I guess you guys are about to break the pattern. Or will see the PAF ready and will fly back to avoid pilot / airplane loss.

Either way, I feel sorry for the innocent civilians and low level soldiers who'd lose their lives on either side due to a conflict. I hope these fools can talk and resolve their issues. There are plenty of poor people at risk on each end.
 
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The worst thing India can do is to play the game Pakistan wants us to play...ie. Attack Pakistan overtly. Especially at this point in time! Few Reasons:

1. If we attack now, Pakistan gets what it wants which is to make us look like the aggressor. Pakistan has had no moral support from abroad and we shouldn't give them a reason to garner any either. In fact, it would be way better to bait Pakistan into attacking us if at all war is to be contemplated.
1a. They are obviously expecting the attack so their defence and preparedness is high. We risk losing a lot of man and machine walking into their game just to quell our ego.

2. Quell the situation in Kashmir before you start dealing with external threats. Else the internal threats become a new front you have to cover during the war. A lesson we should learn from our own history wrt. BD.

3. The UNGA and issues are still fresh in minds of the world leaders. Attacking now would only bring the issue to the forefront. We need no international players in the Kashmir issue. It has to be solved bilaterally (Peacefully or otherwise)

4. India needs to pick its fight at a time and place of its choosing. War need not be fought only on the battlefield.
India should know what its strength is, economy and diplomacy. Use those as your first line of defence and offence.
Take the armed aggression as the very last resort.

So Dear Indians, please suck it up and take the jibes from Pakistanis wrt. cowardice, "lack of balls", buzdili and what not..for now...and wait our turn as we did in 71 to deliver the knockout punch.
Since this is the exact kinda ruse that is causing the media and the layman to put pressure on the Govt. to make a move that may not benefit India strategically.

Feel free to disagree..
 
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Keeping bravado aside, you said that Pakistan is facing consequences from the world. What consequence you were referring to? With regards to IWT, we can talk about it when we cross that bridge. At the moment its all talk, just like Indian "Sir je Kal, Ajj naheen" strikes fizzled out.

Up till now, to this date, what have you achieved against Pakistan? Today is 22nd, and by 24th or 25th the pictures of SSG and Spitnaz excerise from GB (which India consider as disputed) will be, in most probability, posted here on this forum.

You cant do a shit even if they cancel treaty altogether (infact they already hinted that)

A lots are achieved . Compare the response of India towards this attack with that happened decades ago.
Our economic and diplomatic clout did their job and will do that in future .
Tactical bloodshed will also follow .But it depends the time the Army chose
 
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Well, if it makes you feel better, you should know that the PAF went on their version of Defense Condition 2 (similar to US DEFCON-2 but limited to conventional war only) about 40 minutes ago. There is heavy movement of SU-30's and Jaguars from two different sides. So I guess you guys are about to break the pattern. Or will see the PAF ready and will fly back to avoid pilot / airplane loss.

Either way, I feel sorry for the innocent civilians and low level soldiers who'd lose their lives on either side due to a conflict. I hope these fools can talk and resolve their issues. There are plenty of poor people at risk on each end.

Nothing will happen. 48 hours window is over. Possibility of a successful strike decreases exponentially beyond this.

All we will see now is some kind of off books action beyond LoC which are not for public consumption.
 
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Nothing will happen. 48 hours window is over. Possibility of a successful strike decreases exponentially beyond this.

All we will see now is some kind of off books action beyond LoC which are not for public consumption.

48 hour window means nothing, you guys had to assemble your IBG in two areas. I am surprised to see you guys did assemble it in 2.5 days. Not bad. But per the Cold Start, Phase I and II are the must. So phase II got done about 7 hours ago :enjoy:. So it all makes sense from a logical standpoint.

Let's hope and pray that cooler heads prevail and innocent people on both sides don't get hurt!! At the end of the day, its the same people, divided between lives and religions. It doesn't need to be that way as they both go back to the same "mother land" just a few decades ago. One would hope they can get mature and resolve their issues with discussions, not stupid wars!!
 
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yes India has started the war on facebook and twitter against Pakistan. What they can only do.
 
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International experts and analysts believe India lacks the intelligence and capabilities needed to execute targeted strikes or wage a limited war in Pakistani territory.

US lawmakers move bill to designate Pakistan a terrorist state

Most experts say successive Indian governments have been unable to build such capabilities. Media chatter is resonating across India on why the air force should carry out surgical air strikes against Pakistan. But many believe it would not be easy as Pakistan has robust air defence systems. There are also doubts about whether India has built capabilities or possesses measures for unconventional deterrence.

Defence analyst Ajai Shukla is also of the view that India has only escalated rhetoric against Pakistan but not created sufficient military capabilities and planning structure needed to tackle its arch rival. Now, the government appears to have become a prisoner of its own bluster. “The danger of being trapped in your own rhetoric is that you can be forced into an aggressive response and then be ill-equipped to handle the escalation,” Shukla says.

Pakistan won’t cower to threats, Nisar warns India

Indian officials have also cautioned against any adventurism following the military asking the govt to consider ‘surgical strikes’, covert military operations or hot pursuits inside Pakistani territory, adding that Pakistan is no Myanmar, where Indian Para-SF troops conducted a transborder raid to take out militants in June 2015. “The government has to take into account that any strike inside Pakistan can escalate into an all-out war. Pakistan, of course, often threatens first-use of tactical nuclear weapons if it is attacked by India,” an official said.

India and Pakistan are facing a war-like situation after militants attacked an army base in Indian-occupied Kashmir on Sunday, killing 18 soldiers. India has blamed the attack on a Pakistan-based group, despite denials from Islamabad. It accuses Pakistan of supporting ‘militant’ attacks in Jammu and Kashmir, which both claim in full but rule only in part.

India blatantly trying to deflect attention from Kashmir: Aziz

Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi recently raised the stakes in their decades-old feud by expressing support for separatists within Pakistan. Pakistan denies any role in cross-border terrorism, and has called on the United Nations and the international community to investigate atrocities it alleges have been committed by the security forces in Indian-occupied Kashmir


http://tribune.com.pk/story/1185706/india-incapable-waging-war-pakistan-experts-say/


They're definitely capable of beating Pakistan on the Internet and in speeches though. indians win hands down.
 
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You can assume anything you want, like i said already, whatever helps you sleep at night. Talking about hatred from your own homeland, yeah some people can never change their hatred.

Hatred from our own land?
Where did that come from?
Indians began to hate Pakistan and its people seriously after 26/11.
Now it is only going to increase,dont blame us ,blame your own leaders and elites.
Some vested interests want money and power through corruption in Pakistan .Itching India in Kashmir and getting severe reprecussions is their way to divert the core problem that faces Pakistan.We waited for decades if there any change in the sense in common Pakistanis to question their elites dirty work.
And when we realised that wont going to work ,our citizens and GoI also changed the strategy.
Even after all this stupidity ,our former generation leaders and people had some lineage to Pakistan .
Now on forget about it.
You cant blame anyone in here when Pakistanis cant even find a room in a hotel in India .[/QUOTE]

There cant be much done when propaganda is used to create hate. keep walking.
 
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Calm down, do you want me to refer it as Azad Kashmir means Independent Kashmir, then it is a free country of Kashmiri, and any attack on this land won't be an attack on Pakistan. LOLZ.

Better if you call it free Kashmir. I don't have any problem. You are right, Azad Kashmir means exactly the same.

@Oscar
 
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These are the array of the choices, that India can utilized, but the point is these are the ones, which we general people could think of, and not by the strategic think tanks and it answers your quotes of not having much choices.




Calm down, do you want me to refer it as Azad Kashmir means Independent Kashmir, then it is a free country of Kashmiri, and any attack on this land won't be an attack on Pakistan. LOLZ.



This post was for the response to show that Indian choices in this stages, which do not means the Indian plans.



Indians have higher fire power and their main Command HQ is far away from the border. The purpose of Indians would be to inflicts the damage to those HQ who are helping those terrorists to cross the border using cover fire and to increase the cost of the assymetric warfare, which PA is waging against India.



India could not sit arround and take the wounds for ever, under the threats of escalations, and let me clear the facts, that IA have delailed plans about the full spectrum of the consequences, and what is only needed is the Political Will.
PA right now have half of the armies indulge in zarb-e-xxx operations in FATA and Balluchistan. Indian Army will be given free hand to choose the appropriate time and the place of their choice, if this option is picked, and in the past, the PA had the element of surprise, and if this option is pick, than its the IA who will have this, and supported by IAF, if PAF decided to came in support for PA.



This option could be easily done by creating Canals, and diverting the water and deliberately changing the course of water of the river. If we back off from the agreement, then we won't be compelled to leave the 80% of water to pakistan, which could be argued as we need water for our own requirement, but will severly effect the agriculture based economy of the Pakistan, putting more strain on the Pakistani economy.



Buddy its not the Mumbai Attack, rather the OBL raid, that the perceptive of the world, specially the western ones is changing. e.g U.S tried to distinguish Talibans as good talibans for talks and bad Talibans, but we were very clear, and still stands to our narrative that, there is no good or bad terrorists, and now the world is realizing it and speaking the same tune. Look at the present conditions, despite trying hard by Nawaz about Kashmir, there is no mentioning of Kashmir, by the UN president in its speach, and could you give me the reason, why Obamma even didn't gave Nawaz 60 sec meeting in UN, and why did Nawaz refuses to answer the Media on the question of Uri and Kashmir, and your Sartaz Aziz even came out of his Car. Look at the statements of the major power of the worlds including France, Germany, UK, Russia, U.S, and the neighboring countries such as Srilanka, Bangladesh, Afghanistan condeming the terrorism, and full support to the India.

If you are in dellusion that we are trying this tactics for years, then I am sorry to say those efforts were not enough, we need to create the array of thinktanks who could use their channels and relationship to actually create the real mood, and the movement to create a single truth, that you cannot have talks and terrorism at the same time, and the epicenter of the terrorism has to be destroyed, before thinking of defeating the terrorism globally.



Agreed, but this step should have been taken way too long.



We learned this from you Janab. Care to listen to the Mushraff argument, that since Kashmir is the desputed area, so crossing LOC is not an attack on India, and when the reverse things happens, how could you deny your own generals (retired) argument and theory or Formulla.



No we were never doing. India have enough cash, resources that could be pumped via Iran and afghanistan, and giving them IGLA would make the life of PAF a living hell. Remember the destruction of your 3 Awaacs, now in the hands of terrorists these weapons would create the havocs for the landing and takeoff planes from the bases. P.S Did you know that Chinese demands to have the three tiers security fencing around the Airport they are building in Gadawar, do you know why ? because they know this practically well the threats. As far as return the favour to IOK statement of yours are concerned, you are already doing this, so what's the Big deal.



Why should we worry, we should only support the Bangladesh for logging the case, which would be slap in the face of the PA, and would only give attentions to the Balluch leaders demands and voices about the so called genocides and attrocities as the tool of the weapon of the P.A.



I think this will be eventually going to be happened, because if one country who is creating problem in the group, then it should be disbanned and say them good luck for these Arabs and turks cousins.



No that would include the recruitment of the Balluch fighters from all over the world, give them training, and provide them weapons and money. And yes we will take your example of Always Denial mode tactics. Now since many Pakistani mentioned Mukti Bahini, but we learned that from you Janab from the Kabali attack on Kashmir in 47, and now if you can see clearly we are not bad at all, because those Mukti bahini did deliver and did the job done beutifully in 1971. Jai Hind.



Why looking to the case with narrow vision. Sir, if the quick and immediate plan to hit Pakistan hard would have to be taken, that would have been taken immediately. See the operation of the Israel was activated in mere 40 minute of the attack of the Hezbollah. Lets have some faith in the countries leadership, and let the Modi show, what he can do as promised in the election, and don't expect him to deliver immediately, and give all the plans in an open media to the public.



Look at your Media, and the so called experts discussing that India is planning to do surgical strike in Pakistan. We even didn't raised our eyebrow and you declare no flyzone in P0k, and the status of your stock exchange fall steeply, will give the idea, whats happening there and now some heat is been felt though you can deny.



LOL Election is 3 years ahead, where are you learning all this.
IDIOT THAT NO FLY ZONE WAS DUE TO PAF EXERCISE AND NOW FLIGHTS ARE RESUMED
WHEN YOU STUPIDS STOP MIS LEADING AND TWISTING POSITIVE THINGS INTO NEGATIVE THINGS
 
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IDIOT THAT NO FLY ZONE WAS DUE TO PAF EXERCISE AND NOW FLIGHTS ARE RESUMED
WHEN YOU STUPIDS STOP MIS LEADING AND TWISTING POSITIVE THINGS INTO NEGATIVE THINGS

No personal attack period.

I got the news from the threads of the PDF. Checkout that, posted by pakistani members.
 
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India already began the war, and Pakistan already begun to take the beat.This is an invisible war .Something that Pakistan cant ever win.Diplomatic war.
what ever makes u feel good .
 
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You cant do a shit even if they cancel treaty altogether (infact they already hinted that)

A lots are achieved . Compare the response of India towards this attack with that happened decades ago.
Our economic and diplomatic clout did their job and will do that in future .
Tactical bloodshed will also follow .But it depends the time the Army chose


Please enlighten yourself and listen to very few remaining sane voices in India.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1285612/in...usional-about-pakistan-former-indian-diplomat

"Now, unless we shake ourselves free of the myopic vision regarding ourselves that has been systematically created by our ruling elites through the past two-year period, ably assisted by the unscrupulous TV channels in Delhi day in and day out, we will come to grief, sooner rather than later," added the retired Indian diplomat.

The above para describe the mental condition majority of Indians including you are suffering from. Your bollywoodnised news channel spewing non sense and false bravado 24*7, I wont blame you, any sane person would go zombie listening to the sh|t one has to watch on your channels.

Mark my words, you cant do a jack sh|t about the IWT. Its a internationally brokered treaty. Besides, we have our ways to ensure that our water will flow to us. China on its parts can flood majority of north/ north east India if it comes to that, they have done it in past being the upper basin nation when it comes to India. We wont even let you squeal and let out your frustrations.

AGAIN, I ask of you. what have you achieved till now? NOTHING. Your economic clout? Am I missing something here? Since when Pakistan got any economic liability with India? As for your diplomatic clout, or rants I would say, they have been put in place. Rest assured.

Yes their will be more bloodshed, and you lot should get used to Uri like attacks. Rest assured, from now on, for every Indian sponsored terrorist act inside Pakistan, someone , somewhere in India will pay. Uri came just days after the FATA mosque bomb blast, just a reminder to you to keep you chronologically up to date.
 
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Please enlighten yourself and listen to very few remaining sane voices in India.

http://www.dawn.com/news/1285612/in...usional-about-pakistan-former-indian-diplomat

"Now, unless we shake ourselves free of the myopic vision regarding ourselves that has been systematically created by our ruling elites through the past two-year period, ably assisted by the unscrupulous TV channels in Delhi day in and day out, we will come to grief, sooner rather than later," added the retired Indian diplomat.

The above para describe the mental condition majority of Indians including you are suffering from. Your bollywoodnised news channel spewing non sense and false bravado 24*7, I wont blame you, any sane person would go zombie listening to the sh|t one has to watch on your channels.

Mark my words, you cant do a jack sh|t about the IWT. Its a internationally brokered treaty. Besides, we have our ways to ensure that our water will flow to us. China on its parts can flood majority of north/ north east India if it comes to that, they have done it in past being the upper basin nation when it comes to India. We wont even let you squeal and let out your frustrations.

AGAIN, I ask of you. what have you achieved till now? NOTHING. Your economic clout? Am I missing something here? Since when Pakistan got any economic liability with India? As for your diplomatic clout, or rants I would say, they have been put in place. Rest assured.

Yes their will be more bloodshed, and you lot should get used to Uri like attacks. Rest assured, from now on, for every Indian sponsored terrorist act inside Pakistan, someone , somewhere in India will pay. Uri came just days after the FATA mosque bomb blast, just a reminder to you to keep you chronologically up to date.

It is quite simple what if a squirrel tried to wide open its mouth like that of tiger.
Same is the case of Pakistan ,you are merely trying to imitate the power politics that India adopted in geopolitical arena.
Funny ,Chinese would throw you like a hot potato if they gets hit in their own national interests.We know how to do that.

You can bla blah all they way you want.
But even if we completely cancel IWT you will sit and beg in there .
 
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