rubyjackass
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As I said for the upteenth time, update yourself.Was responding to your comment about indians on a lahore bound train blown by indians ... blamed on Pak?
You were diverting the topic. I still will argue that India pursues people who kills its citizens(subject to caveats which are common to countries with low law penetration)I really dnt give a fuk... but try not to lie so very much...
I posted Khosa saab's article because you were still denying Pakistan's role in 26/11. Pakistan was used a secure base for launching the attack and the proof is already there. No need for India to show any more proof, least of all detergent packets from Karachi. Again you are running away from the topic in context and highlighted some blobs in the article while missing the whole point, which is that it is a foregone conclusion that Pakistan provided safe haven for terrorists and still refuses to punish them.
I will respond to your highlighted blobs.
Pakistan's concerns regarding Samjhauta are already being addressed within the realm of practicality. Even with such dearth of evidence, police arrested suspects, chasing the case for so many years(whereas in 26/11 the evidence was staring at your face).Against this backdrop, the agreement between PMs Sharif and Modi in Ufa to approve the meeting of their national security advisers to “discuss all issues related to terrorism” was a welcome development. Pakistan’s concerns in respect of the botched investigation into the Samjhauta Express bombing and alleged covert support to the Baloch insurgency as well as reported ‘terror financing’ both in Karachi and Fata by Indian and other foreign agencies should not only be highlighted but concrete evidence presented to put a stop to such means of non-kinetic warfare resorted to by sleuths from both sides to further their so-called national interests.
WRT India's "terror financing", if Pakistan is so concerned about terrorism, then they should have come and talked at the NSA meeting which was meant to discuss issues related to terrorism. Apparently a 60 year old dispute was more urgent and practical to discuss in an NSA meeting than terrorism.
Why Pakistan fights shy?! Because they got nothing on India except a couple of photos of Baloch nationalists(with no recognition as terrorists) with some lowly Indian diplomat. Those photos you can get with him even if you just stay in the same hotel as the diplomat.There are very knowledgeable and competent professionals with investigation and intelligence background in Pakistan who can meet the Indian security officials and talk as professionals. They too have many skeletons in their cupboards. So why fight shy? Let both India and Pakistan admit their mistakes and follies and learn to co-exist while trying to find solutions to their thorny issues through peaceful means.
How long ago was that two months? And how does a terror accused father a child in jail?Pakistan has to deal with the Mumbai mayhem, planned and launched from its soil. This requires facing the truth and admitting mistakes. The entire state security apparatus must ensure that the perpetrators and masterminds of the ghastly terror attacks are brought to justice. The case has lingered on for far too long. Dilatory tactics by the defendants, frequent change of trial judges, and assassination of the case prosecutor as well as retracting from original testimony by some key witnesses have been serious setbacks for the prosecutors. However, cognizance was taken by the Islamabad High Court which directed the trial to be concluded within two months.
Ohh please! Obtaining voice samples is the issue now?! That is the difficulty in solving the case? You seriously think that is the hindrance if Pakistan is fully committed to solving 26/11 case?After an exchange of multiple investigation dossiers with the Indian police authorities, the trial court was requested to give approval to obtain voice samples of the alleged commander and his deputies for comparison with the recorded voices. The court ruled that the consent of the accused should be obtained. Obviously, the suspects refused. Then a plea was submitted before the sessions court to authorise the investigators to take the voice samples despite the lack of consent. The plea was denied on account of there being no such provision in the Evidence Act or the antiterrorism law applicable at that time. The investigators then went in appeal before the High Court. That appeal, I believe, is still pending. The Fair Trial Act, 2013 caters for admissibility of such technical evidence. However, its application with retrospective effect is a moot point.
I acknowledge the fact that professional investigation was done when I posted tha article. No wonder Indian officials also conceded the same, back in 2009. What happened in these 6 years? Where are the fugitives? How will anyone on terror charges get bail? I agree that in Pakistan law is afraid of extremists and they get bail sometimes. But is it so lax that they give birth to children while in jail? Is this not mocking Mumbai victims?The Mumbai case is quite unique: one incident with two jurisdictions and two trials. While the Indians managed to nab Ajmal Kasab and were able to obtain his confession to close the trial, proving conspiracy in a different jurisdiction is more complex and requires a far superior quality of evidence. Therefore, the legal experts from both sides need to sit together rather than sulk and point fingers.
Indian interlocutors, engaged during the talks between the then prime ministers of India and Pakistan in Egypt in 2009, had conceded that the Pakistani investigators had done a professional job in the indictment of seven perpetrators of the attack. However, the Pakistani authorities should not forget that the FIA declared various other facilitators and operatives as fugitives in the case. The trial will not be over with the disposal of those under arrest or on bail. Other missing links need to be uncovered after the absconders’ arrest.
This case will not be over soon.
So basically you are contradicting your previous statement about the "silent majority" ... thats great.
No. I compared your dare with an appropriate challenge:
Let us play coin toss. Heads I get your house. Tails we just walk away. You want to play?
It is India's problem to deal with discontent among its people.