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By Raoul Pal
March 2017

Companies that create massively outsized technological breakthroughs tend to capture the investing population’s attention and thus their share prices trade at huge multiples, as future growth and future revenues are extrapolated into the future.

From time to time, entire countries re-model their economies and shift their growth trajectory. The most recent example was the liberalisation of China’s economy and massive spending on infrastructure, which together created an incredibly powerful force for growth over the last two decades.

But it is very rare indeed that a country develops an outsized technological infrastructure breakthrough that leaves the rest of the world far behind.

But exactly this has just happened in India... and no one noticed.

India has, without question, made the largest technological breakthrough of any nation in living memory.

Its technological advancement has even left Silicon Valley standing. India has built the world’s first national digital infrastructure, leaping at least two generations of financial technologies and has built something as important as the railroad was to the UK or the interstate highways were to the US.

India is now the most attractive major investment opportunity in the world.

It’s all about something called Aadhaar and a breathtakingly ambitious plan with flawless execution.

What just blows my mind is how few people have even noticed it. To be honest, writing the article last month was the first time I learned about any of the developments. I think this is the biggest emerging market macro story in the world.

Phase 1 – The Aadhaar Act
India, pre-2009, had a massive problem for a developing economy: nearly half of its people did not have any form of identification. If you were born outside of a hospital or without any government services, which is common in India, you don’t get a birth certificate. Without a birth certificate, you can’t get the basic infrastructure of modern life: a bank account, driving license, insurance or a loan. You operate outside the official sector and the opportunities available to others are not available to you. It almost guarantees a perpetuation of poverty and it also guarantees a low tax take for India, thus it holds Indian growth back too.

Normally, a country such as India would solve this problem by making a large push to register more births or send bureaucrats into villages to issues official papers (and sadly accept bribes in return). It would have been costly, inefficient and messy. It probably would have only partially worked.

But in 2009, India did something that no one else in the world at the time had done before; they launched a project called Aadhaar which was a technological solution to the problem, creating a biometric database based on a 12-digit digital identity, authenticated by finger prints and retina scans.

Aadhaar became the largest and most successful IT project ever undertaken in the world and, as of 2016, 1.1 billion people (95% of the population) now has a digital proof of identity. To understand the scale of what India has achieved with Aadhaar you have to understand that India accounts for 17.2% of the entire world’s population!

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But this biometric database was just the first phase...

Phase 2 – Banking Adoption
Once huge swathes of the population began to register on the official system, the next phase was to get them into the banking system. The Government allowed the creation of eleven Payment Banks, which can hold money but don’t do any lending. To motivate people to open accounts, it offered free life insurance with them and linked bank accounts to social welfare benefits. Within three years more than 270 million bank accounts were opened and $10bn in deposits flooded in.

People who registered under the Aadhaar Act could open a bank account just with their Aadhaar number.

Phase 3 – Building Out a Mobile Infrastructure
The Aadhaar card holds another important benefit – people can use it to instantly open a mobile phone account. I covered this in detail last month but the key takeaway is that mobile phone penetration exploded after Aadhaar and went from 40% of the population to 79% within a few years...

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The next phase in the mobile phone story will be the rapid rise in smart phones, which will revolutionise everything. Currently only 28% of the population has a smart phone but growth rates are close to 70% per year.

In July 2016, the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI), which administers Aadhaar, called a meeting with executives from Google, Microsoft, Samsung and Indian smartphone maker Micromax amongst others, to talk about developing Aadhaar compliant devices.

Qualcomm is working closely with government authorities to get more Aadhaar-enabled devices onto the market and working with customers – including the biggest Android manufacturers – to integrate required features, such as secure cameras and iris authentication partners.

Tim Cook, CEO of Apple, recently singled out India as a top priority for Apple.

Microsoft has also just launched a lite version of Skype designed to work on an unstable 2G connection and is integrated with the Aadhaar database, so video calling can be used for authenticated calls.

This rise in smart, Aadhaar compliant mobile phone penetration set the stage for the really clever stuff...

Phase 4 – UPI – A New Transaction System
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But that is not all. In December 30th 2016, Indian launched BHIM (Bharat Interface for Money) which is a digital payments platform using UPI (Unified Payments Interface). This is another giant leap that allows non-UPI linked bank accounts into the payments system. Now payments can be made from UPI accounts to non-UPI accounts and can use QR codes for instant payments and also allows users to check bank balances.

While the world is digesting all of this, assuming that it is going to lead to an explosion in mobile phone eWallets (which is happening already), the next step is materializing. This is where the really big breakthrough lies...

Payments can now be made without using mobile phones, just using fingerprints and an Aadhaar number.

Fucking hell. That is the biggest change to any financial system in history.

What is even more remarkable is that this system works on a 2G network so it reaches even the most remote parts of India!! It will revolutionise the agricultural economy, which employs 60% of the workforce and contributes 17% of GDP. Farmers will now have access to bank accounts and credit, along with crop insurance.

But again, that is not all... India has gone one step further...

Phase 5 – India Stack – A Digital Life
In 2016, India introduced another innovation called India Stack. This is a series of secured and connected systems that allows people to store and share personal data such as addresses, bank statements, medical records, employment records and tax filings and it enables the digital signing of documents. This is all accessed, and can be shared, via Aadhaar biometric authentication.

Essentially, it is a secure Drop-box for your entire official life and creates what is known as eKYC: Electronic Know Your Customer.

Using India Stack APIs, all that is required is a fingerprint or retina scan to open a bank account, mobile phone account, brokerage account, buy a mutual fund or share medical records at any hospital or clinic in India. It also creates the opportunity instant loans and brings insurance to the masses, particularly life insurance. All of this data can also in turn be stored on India Stack to give, for example, proof of utility bill payment or life insurance coverage.

What is India Stack exactly?

India Stack is the framework that will make the new digital economy work seamlessly.

It’s a set of APIs that allows governments, businesses, startups and developers to utilise a unique digital infrastructure to solve India’s hard problems towards presence-less, paperless and cashless service delivery.




    • Presence-less: Retina scan and finger prints will be used to participate in any service from anywhere in the country.
    • Cashless: A single interface to all the country’s bank accounts and wallets.
    • Paperless: Digital records are available in the cloud, eliminating the need for massive amount of paper collection and storage.
    • Consent layer: Give secured access on demand to documents.
India Stack provides the ability to operate in real time, transactions such as lending, bank or mobile account opening that usually can take few days to complete are now instant.

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As you can see, Smart phones will act as key to access the kingdom.

This is fast, secure and reliable; this is the future...

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This revolutionary digital infrastructure will soon be able to process billions more transactions than bitcoin ever has. It may well be a bitcoin killer or at best provide the framework for how blockchain technology could be applied in the real world. It is too early to tell whether other countries or the private sector adopts blockchain versions of this infrastructure or abandons it altogether and follows India’s centralised version.

India Stack is the largest open API in the world and will allow for massive fintech opportunities to be built around it. India is already the third largest fintech centre but it will jump into first place in a few years. India is already organizing hackathons to develop applications for the APIs.

It has left Silicon Valley in the dust.

Phase 6 – A Cash Ban
The final stroke of genius was the cash ban, which I have also discussed at length in the past. The cash ban is the final part of the story. It simply forces everyone into the new digital economy and has the hugely beneficial side-effect of reducing everyday corruption, recapitalising the banking sector and increasing government tax take, thus allowing India to rebuild its crumbling infrastructure...

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India was a cash society but once the dust settles, cash will account for less than 40% of total transactions in the next five years. It may eliminate cash altogether in the next ten years.

The cash ban digitizes India. No other economy in the world is even close to this.

Phase 7 – The Investment Opportunity
Everyone thinks they know about the Indian economy – crappy infrastructure, corruption, bureaucracy and antiquated institutions but with a massively growing middle class. Well, that is the narrative and has been for the last 15 years.

But that phase is over and no one noticed. So few people in the investment community or even Silicon Valley are even vaguely aware of what has happened in India and that has created an enormous investment opportunity.

The future for India is massive technological advancement, a higher trend rate of GDP and more tax revenues. Tax revenues will fund infrastructure – ports, roads, rail and healthcare. Technology will increase agricultural productivity, online services and manufacturing productivity.

Telecom, banking, insurance and online retailing will boom, as will the tech sector.

Nothing in India will be the same again.

FDI is already exploding and will rise massively in the years ahead as technology giants and others pour into India to take advantage of the opportunity...

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I am long the telco sector (Bharti)...

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And I am long the Nifty Banks Index...

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I think India is going to offer an entire world of opportunity going forwards.

If I can sum up, it’s in this one chart: the SENSEX in US Dollars. It looks explosive for the next 10 years...

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Incredible India indeed.

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http://www.livemint.com/Industry/ns...y-integrated-by-14-banks-says-government.html

Aadhaar Pay integrated by 14 banks, says government

With Aadhaar Pay people will be able to pay and receive money using their biometrics and Aadhaar numberm, says Ravi Shankar Prasad

The government will soon launch Aadhaar Pay, a service that will enable people to make or receive payments through the Aadhaar unique identity number and biometrics.

More than 14 banks have already been integrated with Aadhaar Pay, the government said on Friday.

“More than 14 banks have already been integrated with Aadhaar Pay. With this, people will not be required to carry their phones or cards for payments. They can visit any merchant, share their Aadhaar number and verify themselves using biometrics to pay and receive money,” said Ravi Shankar Prasad, law and IT minister at a press conference.

Aadhaar Pay will also be available on the recently launched Bharat Interface for Money, or BHIM, an app developed by the government to further its cashless push.

As per the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI), as on date, Aadhaar’s total saturation percentage is 91.7% (as per Census 2011) while over 99% of adults above the age of 18 have been assigned Aadhaar numbers.

There has also been a pickup in usage of Aadhaar-based transactions. Till now, more than 33.87 crore transactions have been carried out through the Aadhaar-enabled payment system (AEPS) with 119 banks operating on it.

AEPS is a mechanism through which a beneficiary who does not have access to a bank branch is able to withdraw or deposit money at his doorstep by giving his Aadhaar and fingerprint on a micro ATM.

“Aadhaar generation has crossed the 111 crore (1.11 billion) mark. It has come a long way in less than six and a half years of its journey from being a unique identification programme to transform itself into a critical development tool of public–centric governance and targeted delivery of services/benefits/subsidies,” added Prasad.

Aadhaar is also being increasingly used to disburse payments under various government schemes. Under Aadhaar Payment Bridge (APB), a total of 38.51 crore accounts have been linked to Aadhaar till 2017. The number of transactions routed through APB for Mahatma Gandhi National Rural Employment Generation Act (MNREGA), LPG subsidy and other Direct Benefit Transfer (DBT) stand at 9.59 crores, 150.71 crores and 11.82 crores respectively.

APB is a mechanism through which benefits under various initiatives and public welfare schemes are disbursed to beneficiaries.

With the notification of the Aadhaar (Targeted Delivery of Financial and Other Subsidies, Benefits and Services) Act, 2016, in September last year, newer avenues where Aadhaar can be used are being considered by the government.



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http://trak.in/tags/business/2017/04/03/debit-credit-cards-disappear-india-niti-aayog/

Debit and Credit Cards Will Completely Disappear in India: NITI Aayog CEO

While India is approaching more flexible methods for online payments to counter the challenges faced after demonetization, NITI Aayog CEO Amitabh Kant has said that digital transactions will be done via mobile wallets and biometric system, obliterating the need for credit and debit cards in coming days.

“Technology will be a key driver of India’s growth,” Kant said during the launch of Trade and Investment Facilitation Services (TIFS) of the PHD Chamber of Commerce and Industry (PHDCCI).

Kant highlighted that India was growing 7.6 percent annually amid the dry economic landscape across the world. In order to make business models more efficient, he said that last year around 1200 laws were scrapped. While India is larger than 24 European countries, he added that the states should appear as champions of growth.

“Physical banking in India is almost dead and it is adopting pervasive technologies with such an accelerated pace that in next three to four years, the digital transactions would move through the mobile wallet and biometric modes,” he said. “Credit cards, debit cards and ATMs will disappear.”

Globalisation and Foreign Ties

Amidst all the digital upgradation, he also stated that India would continue to globalise and dismantle rules and regulations that adversely affect inbound investments. It would also create conditions for the expansion of its economy.

“Despite (US President Donald) Trump talking of protectionism (of US economy), there is no talk of protectionism here,” the NITI Aayog CEO said.

“India believes in globalisation and it will continue to globalise and shall never talk of protectionism. As a result, it will emerge as an economy that would attract investments and growth and make India a hub of economic engagements par excellence,” he added.


Coming to foreign relations, he stated that “there are new opportunities in Africa and the Gulf”.

While the Canadian High Commissioner to India, Nadir Patel said that Prime Ministers Narendra Modi and Justin Trudeau are “connecting well” with each other, he was disappointed that two-way trade between India and Canada stood at only $8 billion, adding that it has to increase.

TIFS – Trade and Investment Facilitation Services

After launching TIFS, PHDCCI President Gopal Jiwarajka said that it would provide a valuable and qualitative aid to international investment in India. He also added that TIFS would provide a secure and personalised single entry point to all trade and investment-related information in the Indian economy, which has the potential to become a $100-billion investment destination by 2022.

End of plastic cards?


As Kant himself stated that physical banking system is nearing an end as digital transactions are revamping with time, it can be said that India is slowly shifting towards easier payment methods. Manoeuvring into different payment methods will definitely facilitate the expansion of the economy, but would have its own challenges, mainly concerned with deploying the services to 1.3 billion people. However, the usage of mobile based payment methods has definitely changed the economic landscape of the country and seems to be one of the most potent methods of payment in coming days.
 
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Don't let the banks fool you.its just a way to eat into your money.
Get cash keep banks away from you. Invest in development. Help the nation building not the political gain or bank gains.
 
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http://www.businesstoday.in/current...t-data-carrier-in-the-world/story/238829.html

Reliance Jio biggest data-carrier in the world within 45 days: Report

It's just been 45 days since the launch of Jio's 4G services in India and it has already become the biggest telecom company in terms of data traffic. Jio's immensely popular Welcome Offer is clearly the reason behind this feat achieved by the Ambani-owned company.

According to a report by Credit Suisse, a global financial services company headquartered in Zurich, Reliance Jio has reported a data traffic of 16,000 TB per day, followed by 12,000 TB carried by China Mobile and Vodafone Global stands at the third position with 6,000 TB per day.

Recently, the new telecom company claimed 16 million new subscribers within a month of the launch. The company has also claimed that it adds 0.6 million and 1.1 million new users every day.


Don't let the banks fool you.its just a way to eat into your money.
Get cash keep banks away from you. Invest in development. Help the nation building not the political gain or bank gains.

It is globally accepted knowledge that banks drive growth in an economy. You can keep your village ideals in your village.

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This isn't going anywhere.

http://telecom.economictimes.indiat...o-india-becomes-top-mobile-data-user/57269548
Jio users consume nearly as much mobile data as the entire United States of America and nearly 50% more mobile data than all of China, according to him.
 
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http://www.businesstoday.in/current...t-data-carrier-in-the-world/story/238829.html

Reliance Jio biggest data-carrier in the world within 45 days: Report

It's just been 45 days since the launch of Jio's 4G services in India and it has already become the biggest telecom company in terms of data traffic. Jio's immensely popular Welcome Offer is clearly the reason behind this feat achieved by the Ambani-owned company.

According to a report by Credit Suisse, a global financial services company headquartered in Zurich, Reliance Jio has reported a data traffic of 16,000 TB per day, followed by 12,000 TB carried by China Mobile and Vodafone Global stands at the third position with 6,000 TB per day.

Recently, the new telecom company claimed 16 million new subscribers within a month of the launch. The company has also claimed that it adds 0.6 million and 1.1 million new users every day.




It is globally accepted knowledge that banks drive growth in an economy. You can keep your village ideals in your village.

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This isn't going anywhere.

http://telecom.economictimes.indiat...o-india-becomes-top-mobile-data-user/57269548
Jio users consume nearly as much mobile data as the entire United States of America and nearly 50% more mobile data than all of China, according to him.

Villagers run the country. If you talk stupid you will be beaten with a broom or lath.

Don't underestimate the power of village. You are free to leave and go to Afghan. We don't need people like you.
 
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Villagers run the country. If you talk stupid you will be beaten with a broom or lath.

Don't underestimate the power of village. You are free to leave and go to Afghan. We don't need people like you.

Haha. People are more keen on leaving villages. It's called urbanization.

If I leave India and go to Afghanistan, it will be called brain drain.

You are one of those typical characters, who thinks he knows what's the best for the country while seeped in ignorance.
 
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All of this is good news - but from my personal experience - corruption is still rampant across the board in pretty much all Government departments. And the infrastructure is terrible although the Government is doing its bit to improve that. The judicial system is as clogged as ever - they still have the British system of shutting down the courts for the summer. The Police system needs an overhaul. All this needs to be tackled.
 
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http://www.businesstoday.in/current...t-data-carrier-in-the-world/story/238829.html

Reliance Jio biggest data-carrier in the world within 45 days: Report

It's just been 45 days since the launch of Jio's 4G services in India and it has already become the biggest telecom company in terms of data traffic. Jio's immensely popular Welcome Offer is clearly the reason behind this feat achieved by the Ambani-owned company.

According to a report by Credit Suisse, a global financial services company headquartered in Zurich, Reliance Jio has reported a data traffic of 16,000 TB per day, followed by 12,000 TB carried by China Mobile and Vodafone Global stands at the third position with 6,000 TB per day.

Recently, the new telecom company claimed 16 million new subscribers within a month of the launch. The company has also claimed that it adds 0.6 million and 1.1 million new users every day.




It is globally accepted knowledge that banks drive growth in an economy. You can keep your village ideals in your village.

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This isn't going anywhere.

http://telecom.economictimes.indiat...o-india-becomes-top-mobile-data-user/57269548
Jio users consume nearly as much mobile data as the entire United States of America and nearly 50% more mobile data than all of China, according to him.

I'm not sure about India, but putting money in the bank yields at a pitiful percentage that you won't even catch up with inflation. So, I'm not exactly sure how this works in India, but most of my money, other than my daily needs are either in real estate, stocks, or long term deposits.

As to mobile data, first, it's all according to him, but even if it were true, the difference between mobile data and wifi is frequency. What matters is how many users and data in total.

No one directly connects to cell towers, you are actually connected to what's called a picocell most of the time. This acts almost exactly the same way as a wifi "router," what you have is technically not a router.

When people hear mobile data, they think it's different than wifi, I can tell you now, in all the parameters that matters to the average user, it's the exact same. It's just one is regulated and companies put it everywhere, the other is not.
 
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I'm not sure about India, but putting money in the bank yields at a pitiful percentage that you won't even catch up with inflation. So, I'm not exactly sure how this works in India, but most of my money, other than my daily needs are either in real estate, stocks, or long term deposits.

You are talking in terms of an investor. Not as a banker. Banks work very differently and have the ability to multiply their investments with the same amount of money every time. Investors cannot.

An investor can only take the money he has and invest it in one place. But banks can invest in multiple places using the same amount of money because of circulation.

http://www.thesimpledollar.com/personal-finance-101-how-does-a-bank-work/

Without banks, our entire financial system will be worthless.

As to mobile data, first, it's all according to him, but even if it were true, the difference between mobile data and wifi is frequency. What matters is how many users and data in total.

This is a Credit Suisse report, not Ambani's report.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_Suisse
Credit Suisse Group is a Swiss multinational financial services holding company, headquartered in Zürich, that operates the Credit Suisse Bank and other financial services investments.

All of this is good news - but from my personal experience - corruption is still rampant across the board in pretty much all Government departments. And the infrastructure is terrible although the Government is doing its bit to improve that. The judicial system is as clogged as ever - they still have the British system of shutting down the courts for the summer. The Police system needs an overhaul. All this needs to be tackled.

The Aadhaar has already removed a lot of corruption. Primarily when it comes to subsidies.
 
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You are talking in terms of an investor. Not as a banker. Banks work very differently and have the ability to multiply their investments with the same amount of money every time. Investors cannot.

An investor can only take the money he has and invest it in one place. But banks can invest in multiple places using the same amount of money because of circulation.

http://www.thesimpledollar.com/personal-finance-101-how-does-a-bank-work/

Without banks, our entire financial system will be worthless.

Pretty sure without banks every country would crash. Also, judging by your definition, you have a very basic understanding of investment. But whatever, not important.

According to this article 270 million accounts, 10 billion dollar deposit. That just proves my point, People don't put money into savings account anymore. At this point, you lose money rather than earn.

Also, anything that works on 4G, works on 2G, I don't think this person knows what the internet is, or what 4G and 2G actually means...

There is just too much sensationalism in this article. Finger prints, retina, these are just not that hard. Finger prints is standard now on most phones anyway.

Also this guy is comparing it to bitcoin... He's invited by CNBC and has worked for Goldmans so I will assume he knows at least something. So he's just trying to fool people using buzz words that has little meaning and try to play the market.

This is a Credit Suisse report, not Ambani's report.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Credit_Suisse
Credit Suisse Group is a Swiss multinational financial services holding company, headquartered in Zürich, that operates the Credit Suisse Bank and other financial services investments.

So...I don't care if it's true or not. I just explained to you what cellular data actually is. The true measure of a nation's online presence is not simply cellular data. For example, what is India's fiber penetration, what is India's DSL subscription number, what is its speed. What about on the server side, what is its uptime, what kind of infrastructure does it have access to. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

All kinds of things goes into it. For example currently FTTX, China is a major player there. Did you know China invented single mode fiber, which is the global standard to all long distance communication.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_premises_by_country#China

To just use Fiber as a measure would be like saying China has the most cars in the world because Great Wall brand cars are bought mostly in China. It's part of the equation, but hardly the whole equation. You must consider for you to download, someone else must upload, and thus, it's not even half the equation, since servers definitely don't use cellular data.
 
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According to this article 270 million accounts, 10 billion dollar deposit.

These 270 million accounts were for the poorest of the poor. Those who were not part of the banking system earlier.

https://www.bankbazaar.com/saving-schemes/zero-balance-account-through-pm-jan-dhan-yojana.html

Also, anything that works on 4G, works on 2G, I don't think this person knows what the internet is, or what 4G and 2G actually means...

So you're saying Samsung Pay, Apple Pay, your WeChat etc can work on 2G connections on a regular mobile phone?

There is just too much sensationalism in this article. Finger prints, retina, these are just not that hard. Finger prints is standard now on most phones anyway.

:lol:

As the article says, we have already done it.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-18-now-have-aadhaar/articleshow/56820818.cms
Over 99% of Indians aged 18 and above now have Aadhaar cards as more than 111 crore residents have enrolled themselves for the unique identification number.

Plus you didn't get it. With Aadhaar, your fingerprint and retina scans are located in a central database. You don't need a phone to make a transaction. If you want to buy something, you simply walk into a shop, buy what you want and pay by using your fingerprint that is scanned by the shopkeeper's scanner. So you basically walk in without a wallet, without cash, without cards, without phone etc and still complete a digital transaction. So you are using the shopkeeper's hardware for the authentication.

To that effect, cash transactions above $3100 have been banned.

In the system you use, your phone has all the details, if you lose your phone, you buy a new phone and restart the process. In Aadhaar, it's not an issue.

This article is simple enough to understand.
https://yourstory.com/2017/01/aadhaar-digital-economy/

That's why our leaders says we may stop the use of credit and debit cards soon.
http://trak.in/tags/business/2017/04/03/debit-credit-cards-disappear-india-niti-aayog/
“Physical banking in India is almost dead and it is adopting pervasive technologies with such an accelerated pace that in next three to four years, the digital transactions would move through the mobile wallet and biometric modes,” he said. “Credit cards, debit cards and ATMs will disappear.”

Can you imagine that happening in China any time soon?

Also this guy is comparing it to bitcoin... He's invited by CNBC and has worked for Goldmans so I will assume he knows at least something. So he's just trying to fool people using buzz words that has little meaning and try to play the market.

This is because you didn't get what Aadhaar is in the first place.

So...I don't care if it's true or not. I just explained to you what cellular data actually is. The true measure of a nation's online presence is not simply cellular data. For example, what is India's fiber penetration, what is India's DSL subscription number, what is its speed. What about on the server side, what is its uptime, what kind of infrastructure does it have access to. This is just the tip of the iceberg.

All kinds of things goes into it. For example currently FTTX, China is a major player there. Did you know China invented single mode fiber, which is the global standard to all long distance communication.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiber_to_the_premises_by_country#China

Forget FTTP, we already have a pan-India FTTH network.
http://telecomvibe.com/ftth-broadband-plans-compare-airtel-tata-docomo-bsnl-and-others/

It's present in all states in India. We are now upgrading to 1Gbps. So every home in a city or town can be connected to a 1Gbps network.

Forget China, we are going to surpass countries like Japan and South Korea in digital networking.

To just use Fiber as a measure would be like saying China has the most cars in the world because Great Wall brand cars are bought mostly in China. It's part of the equation, but hardly the whole equation. You must consider for you to download, someone else must upload, and thus, it's not even half the equation, since servers definitely don't use cellular data.

Okay, then how about this?

https://www.tatacommunications.com/glance/our-network
Right now, our global subsea and terrestrial network covers 710,000 km – that's more than 17 times around the world. It features cutting-edge, one-of-a-kind innovations, including the only, wholly-owned fibre ring around the world; the only Ethernet ring serving the Middle East; more than 400 Points of Presence on five continents; and we own and operate more than 1 million sq. ft. of data centre space in 44 locations worldwide.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/techno...launch-soon-hints-reliance-site/1/922850.html
Jio Fibre with 1gbps speed may launch soon, hints Reliance site

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...900-cities-and-towns-across-india-261171.html
After their first wave of attack on India's mobile telecom sector, now JIO is planning fiber-based broadband Internet across 900 cities and towns, TelecomTalk reported.

http://www.firstpost.com/business/r...st-mobile-video-network-globally-3294346.html

Btw, Jio is the first global network that is 5th and 6th gen compatible. It's an all-IP network.
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Here's an article from Cisco.
https://newsroom.cisco.com/press-release-content?type=webcontent&articleId=1826139
A First-of-Its-Kind Globally, the 5G Ready Network as a Platform Delivers Broadband, Mobile Video, and a Rich Suite of Media & Collaboration Services

BARCELONA, MOBILE WORLD CONGRESS – February 28, 2017 –Reliance Jio Infocomm Ltd. (“Jio”) is collaborating with Cisco to further expand Jio’s existing multi-terabit capacity, first All-IP converged network.

With this network, Jio offers a unique combination of high-speed data, mobile video, VoLTE, digital commerce, media, cloud, and payment services. It is the first network of its kind globally with the fastest growth to 100 million broadband and VoLTE customers, reaching the milestone within six months of launch. With the Cisco All-IP network, Jio will help deliver the vision of Digital India and transform the delivery of citizen services from transportation, utilities and financial inclusion to entertainment, agriculture, education, and healthcare in the country.

Cisco forecasts that mobile data traffic will grow 7-fold from 2016 to 2021[1]. Technology has become the biggest driver of economic development in India. Jio network has exceeded consumption of more than 1 exabyte of data per month, establishing its clear leadership as the dominant data network.

The Jio All-IP digital platform is a result of co-innovation around product and services between the two companies. It is built on Cisco’s Open Network Architecture and Cloud Scale Networking technologies featuring IP/MPLS, spanning areas including Data Center, Wi-Fi, Security and Contact Center solutions.

The All-IP network is built for the ever-increasing volumes of data, and its promise to shape the future of India, with end-to-end digital solutions and broadband for all. Jio has more than 185,000 miles (or 300,000 KM) of fiber, and built India’s largest cloud data center to build platforms for applications and vertical solutions. Since its launch, Jio has accelerated India’s monthly user data consumption 40 times, the highest in the world. With the advanced All-IP network, Jio offers a premium broadband service at U.S. $0.15/GB, making it the most affordable in the world.

Jio’s infrastructure and CDN extends beyond geographical boundaries of India into Singapore, France, London, New York, Los Angeles, Amsterdam, and Frankfurt. With this Jio has direct interconnect with global carriers and content providers enabling low-latency and high-quality experience for users in India.

“We at Jio have been able to fundamentally impact how people leverage technology in their everyday lives by delivering inclusive and affordable broadband across India,” said Mathew Oommen, president, Reliance Jio. “As part of our journey in fulfilling the aspirations of the nation to be a key transformational agent in Digital Adoption and Leadership, Cisco has been a great partner for in building this highly scalable cloud centric All-IP Digital Services Network Platform meeting unprecedented data growth.”

“We share the vision with Reliance Jio for an open, programmable infrastructure to simplify, automate and virtualize core network functions in order to digitize faster,” said Yvette Kanouff, senior vice president, general manager, Service Provider Business, Cisco. “This network marks a milestone, transforming the mobility business in India by delivering a broad range of mobile apps and services from one common platform.”

Cisco is building the simplified, automated and virtualized network platform of the future based on industry-leading software, systems, silicon and services. This enables service providers, media and web companies worldwide to reduce costs, speed time-to-market, secure their networks and sustain profitable growth.

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And what's special about Aadhaar. It doesn't need any of the above.

The 4th Industrial Revolution has already started in India.
 
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So you're saying Samsung Pay, Apple Pay, your WeChat etc can work on 2G connections on a regular mobile phone?

That's not what I'm saying, that's what it is. Do you even know what 2G is. A 1Mbit connection works just as a 100Mbit connection would. Just slower. 2G is even slower than that, but that's all it is.

The only thing that makes it unique, if we can even call it that is that it may just be a really tiny application that requires little data. Though this would be unnecessary in a lot of the world.

:lol:

As the article says, we have already done it.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/...-18-now-have-aadhaar/articleshow/56820818.cms
Over 99% of Indians aged 18 and above now have Aadhaar cards as more than 111 crore residents have enrolled themselves for the unique identification number.

Plus you didn't get it. With Aadhaar, your fingerprint and retina scans are located in a central database. You don't need a phone to make a transaction. If you want to buy something, you simply walk into a shop, buy what you want and pay by using your fingerprint that is scanned by the shopkeeper's scanner. So you basically walk in without a wallet, without cash, without cards, without phone etc and still complete a digital transaction. So you are using the shopkeeper's hardware for the authentication.

To that effect, cash transactions above $3100 have been banned.

In the system you use, your phone has all the details, if you lose your phone, you buy a new phone and restart the process. In Aadhaar, it's not an issue.

This article is simple enough for you to understand.
https://yourstory.com/2017/01/aadhaar-digital-economy/

That's why our leaders says we may stop the use of credit and debit cards soon.
http://trak.in/tags/business/2017/04/03/debit-credit-cards-disappear-india-niti-aayog/
“Physical banking in India is almost dead and it is adopting pervasive technologies with such an accelerated pace that in next three to four years, the digital transactions would move through the mobile wallet and biometric modes,” he said. “Credit cards, debit cards and ATMs will disappear.”

Can you imagine that happening in China any time soon?

Before I go any further, I was a system admin for a large corporation for a while. I know exactly how this works. Far more than you do.

Why would that be a requirement? Also, what is even the penetration of these devices in India. A large part of Indian economy is unofficial, and yet this would be implemented.

Doing what this article described is just using established technology. It's not easy, as it is a massive undertaking, but it is hardly ground breaking.

BTW, you never been to China have you, it's already using digital transactions to a massive extent. Though I have to say it's not exactly that big of a game changer.

This is more or less being adopted around the world, nothing new really. You need to get out more.

Also you don't need to start over if you lose your phone. It's store in whatever database you had your account in. Much the same way as this.

This is because you didn't get what Aadhaar is in the first place.

Bitcoin was created for the purpose of rebelling against governments. So this centralization is actually the exact opposite of Bitcoin. Also, when I can start mining for Indian Rupee, let me know.

Forget FTTP, we already have a pan-India FTTH network.
http://telecomvibe.com/ftth-broadband-plans-compare-airtel-tata-docomo-bsnl-and-others/

It's present in all states in India. We are now upgrading to 1Gbps. So every home in a city or town can be connected to a 1Gbps network.

Forget China, we are going to surpass countries like Japan and South Korea in digital networking.

You may want to check what pan means, most countries, including China can do FTTH, and some have tried, but the demand is never as big as that.

You have no idea how much fiber is in the ground right now, not being utilized. It doesn't just belong to the ISPs either, there's also dark fiber.

What you have described is something an outsider would say. Just pretty words that means preciously little. I work for an ISP, a lot of countries can do this, but so what. The reason Japan and South Korea can do this is because they are developed. Their citizens have the money and the equipment to handle it.

BTW, big areas of India doesn't have connectivity to even electricity, but you are going to surpass South Korea and Japan.


Okay, then how about this?

https://www.tatacommunications.com/glance/our-network
Right now, our global subsea and terrestrial network covers 710,000 km – that's more than 17 times around the world. It features cutting-edge, one-of-a-kind innovations, including the only, wholly-owned fibre ring around the world; the only Ethernet ring serving the Middle East; more than 400 Points of Presence on five continents; and we own and operate more than 1 million sq. ft. of data centre space in 44 locations worldwide.

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/techno...launch-soon-hints-reliance-site/1/922850.html

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/indi...900-cities-and-towns-across-india-261171.html
After their first wave of attack on India's mobile telecom sector, now JIO is planning fiber-based broadband Internet across 900 cities and towns, TelecomTalk reported.

http://www.firstpost.com/business/r...st-mobile-video-network-globally-3294346.html

Btw, Jio is the first global network that is 5th and 6th gen compatible. It's an all-IP network.
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Here's an article from Cisco.
https://newsroom.cisco.com/press-release-content?type=webcontent&articleId=1826139
A First-of-Its-Kind Globally, the 5G Ready Network as a Platform Delivers Broadband, Mobile Video, and a Rich Suite of Media & Collaboration Services

BARCELONA, MOBILE WORLD CONGRESS – February 28, 2017 –Reliance Jio Infocomm Ltd. (“Jio”) is collaborating with Cisco to further expand Jio’s existing multi-terabit capacity, first All-IP converged network.

With this network, Jio offers a unique combination of high-speed data, mobile video, VoLTE, digital commerce, media, cloud, and payment services. It is the first network of its kind globally with the fastest growth to 100 million broadband and VoLTE customers, reaching the milestone within six months of launch. With the Cisco All-IP network, Jio will help deliver the vision of Digital India and transform the delivery of citizen services from transportation, utilities and financial inclusion to entertainment, agriculture, education, and healthcare in the country.

Cisco forecasts that mobile data traffic will grow 7-fold from 2016 to 2021[1]. Technology has become the biggest driver of economic development in India. Jio network has exceeded consumption of more than 1 exabyte of data per month, establishing its clear leadership as the dominant data network.

The Jio All-IP digital platform is a result of co-innovation around product and services between the two companies. It is built on Cisco’s Open Network Architecture and Cloud Scale Networking technologies featuring IP/MPLS, spanning areas including Data Center, Wi-Fi, Security and Contact Center solutions.

The All-IP network is built for the ever-increasing volumes of data, and its promise to shape the future of India, with end-to-end digital solutions and broadband for all. Jio has more than 185,000 miles (or 300,000 KM) of fiber, and built India’s largest cloud data center to build platforms for applications and vertical solutions. Since its launch, Jio has accelerated India’s monthly user data consumption 40 times, the highest in the world. With the advanced All-IP network, Jio offers a premium broadband service at U.S. $0.15/GB, making it the most affordable in the world.

Jio’s infrastructure and CDN extends beyond geographical boundaries of India into Singapore, France, London, New York, Los Angeles, Amsterdam, and Frankfurt. With this Jio has direct interconnect with global carriers and content providers enabling low-latency and high-quality experience for users in India.

“We at Jio have been able to fundamentally impact how people leverage technology in their everyday lives by delivering inclusive and affordable broadband across India,” said Mathew Oommen, president, Reliance Jio. “As part of our journey in fulfilling the aspirations of the nation to be a key transformational agent in Digital Adoption and Leadership, Cisco has been a great partner for in building this highly scalable cloud centric All-IP Digital Services Network Platform meeting unprecedented data growth.”

“We share the vision with Reliance Jio for an open, programmable infrastructure to simplify, automate and virtualize core network functions in order to digitize faster,” said Yvette Kanouff, senior vice president, general manager, Service Provider Business, Cisco. “This network marks a milestone, transforming the mobility business in India by delivering a broad range of mobile apps and services from one common platform.”

Cisco is building the simplified, automated and virtualized network platform of the future based on industry-leading software, systems, silicon and services. This enables service providers, media and web companies worldwide to reduce costs, speed time-to-market, secure their networks and sustain profitable growth.

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And what's special about Aadhaar. It doesn't need any of the above.

The 4th Industrial Revolution has already started in India.

What I will say is VoLTE is very interesting to me. It's too late in the Western world, the cost would far outweigh the benefits. China not sure, but probably about same. It's very interesting, VoIP is superior to PSTN, and should be adopted, but legacy systems still have to big a role to play in much of the world.

About Aadhaar, it's not as special as you think. It's just a system that requires little data. That's it. Though honestly if Credit and Debit card penetration isn't that deep in India, this may actually be a good idea. Though it's far too late in China. Union pay is too wide spread now, even across the sea.

What you need to understand is all this is saying is that it's changing the way data is transmitted, it's not really on the scale of industrial revolution. It's hard to explain in a few sentences, but let's just say, it's impressive, and possibly uniquely doable in India.
 
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Why would that be a requirement? Also, what is even the penetration of these devices in India. A large part of Indian economy is unofficial, and yet this would be implemented.

A large part of the Indian economy wasn't within the banking system. Now it is slowly changing. Like the 270 million new bank accounts.

Anyway, mobile penetration is over a billion in India.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarith...-the-excitements-just-beginning/#15914a557db0

But, as I said before, a phone is not necessary. Only the merchant needs the phone.

Doing what this article described is just using established technology. It's not easy, as it is a massive undertaking, but it is hardly ground breaking.

Of course. Building roads or rail networks isn't ground breaking either. It's the scale that counts.

Also you don't need to start over if you lose your phone. It's store in whatever database you had your account in. Much the same way as this.

You do start over if you lose your phone. You need to start over by buying a phone first. Then you go to your service provider and get a new sim card. This process can bring in delays.

With Aadhaar, all of it is the responsibility of the govt. You don't need a phone.

Bitcoin was created for the purpose of rebelling against governments. So this centralization is actually the exact opposite of Bitcoin. Also, when I can start mining for Indian Rupee, let me know.

The bitcoin analogy is in reference to using data and creating a digital identity, not generating cryptocurrency.

https://www.americanbanker.com/news/how-blockchain-fits-into-the-future-of-digital-identity

What you have described is something an outsider would say. Just pretty words that means preciously little. I work for an ISP, a lot of countries can do this, but so what. The reason Japan and South Korea can do this is because they are developed. Their citizens have the money and the equipment to handle it.

This is exactly what Indian companies are creating in India.

This is the cost of the complimentary service.

Reliance_Jio_Summer_Offer_Last_Date_-_final_1491548583081.png


The plans for the fiber service.
special-offer-tariffs_091416015211.jpg


speed-based-tariffs_091416015211.jpg


volume-based-tariffs_091416015211.jpg


BTW, big areas of India doesn't have connectivity to even electricity, but you are going to surpass South Korea and Japan.

Incorrect. India's electricity coverage is over 96%, it's the household coverage which is lacking. The last mile connectivity for electricity is lower than that, but it's okay. Those people cannot afford broadband anyway.

But yeah, Jio has already setup a 250,000Km backbone with a pan-India 1Gbps network and is now working to create an additional 2 million Km of last mile connectivity.

Being in the Internet-related industry yourself, you know very well what this means to data connectivity. You can't even compare S Korea and Japan to this level of infrastructure.

How many countries around in the world today that boast of hosting a nationwide 1Gbps network along with a VoLTE network with a $1500 per capita income?

What I will say is VoLTE is very interesting to me. It's too late in the Western world, the cost would far outweigh the benefits. China not sure, but probably about same. It's very interesting, VoIP is superior to PSTN, and should be adopted, but legacy systems still have to big a role to play in much of the world.

VoLTE is already active in pretty much all developed nations. China has it as well. Are you referring to connectivity?

About Aadhaar, it's not as special as you think. It's just a system that requires little data. That's it. Though honestly if Credit and Debit card penetration isn't that deep in India, this may actually be a good idea. Though it's far too late in China. Union pay is too wide spread now, even across the sea.

Cards are quite widespread.
http://www.medianama.com/2016/06/223-india-has-24-5m-credit-cards-661-8m-debit-cards-in-march-2016/

We also have our own payment system called Rupay. And cards are not gonna disappear because we will still have a foreign population that will require non-Aadhaar enabled payments.

What you need to understand is all this is saying is that it's changing the way data is transmitted, it's not really on the scale of industrial revolution.

Yes and no. The 4th Industrial Revolution is primarily categorized by how well we are connected through a digital identity and our use of data. By giving every Indian home an affordable super high speed broadband connection, the entire system of data exchange will turn on its head. And this won't affect India alone, it will affect the entirety of the Internet, India's population is big enough after all.

The fact is we have barely scratched the surface of Aadhaar in this discussion. It is so much more than that. In fact, the digital payments system is an afterthought. It wasn't really the purpose of Aadhaar.

For example, the India Stack.
https://yourstory.com/2016/07/india-stack/

Or the DigiLocker.
https://digilocker.gov.in/about.php

Aadhaar means 'Foundation'. It is basically a platform to create a nationwide database of the entire population. It will eventually hold data of your entire life. You will have to pay taxes through it, you will have to spend money through it. You will raise your kids through it. You will switch jobs or setup companies through it. You will get married and divorced through it. Your entire life will basically revolve around it. Now you can imagine what this will do to the data analysis industry.
 
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All of this is good news - but from my personal experience - corruption is still rampant across the board in pretty much all Government departments. And the infrastructure is terrible although the Government is doing its bit to improve that. The judicial system is as clogged as ever - they still have the British system of shutting down the courts for the summer. The Police system needs an overhaul. All this needs to be tackled.
Corruption is possible if we look for short cuts. I never pay a penny and my work is done without delays.
 
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A large part of the Indian economy wasn't within the banking system. Now it is slowly changing. Like the 270 million new bank accounts.

Anyway, mobile penetration is over a billion in India.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sarith...-the-excitements-just-beginning/#15914a557db0

But, as I said before, a phone is not necessary. Only the merchant needs the phone.

The merchant only needs a phone? A mobile phone that they can easily hack. There is no way India will allow that kind of power in the hands of a single person. India must create a device that they can monitor, just like the current credit card system.

Mobile doesn't mean smart. Which means it's no different than a pots phone. With smart phone, it's 17% in 2015. Even assuming 50% increase, it's still not 300 million.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tan...ndia-in-internet-access-smartphone-ownership/

As to 270 million new bank accounts, did you forget you are a nation of 1.3 billion, not 280 million.

Of course. Building roads or rail networks isn't ground breaking either. It's the scale that counts.

Yes, but nobody called building roads the "largest tech breakthrough in living memory."

You do start over if you lose your phone. You need to start over by buying a phone first. Then you go to your service provider and get a new sim card. This process can bring in delays.

With Aadhaar, all of it is the responsibility of the govt. You don't need a phone.

Who doesn't have a phone, but knows how to use this system. Also China has this, it's been hailed as the next worst human rights abuse. So prepare for that.

When you said start over, I took it as you need to enter all new information again. Otherwise the merchant can have a broken machine. That too takes time.

This is exactly what Indian companies are creating in India.

This is the cost of the complimentary service.

Reliance_Jio_Summer_Offer_Last_Date_-_final_1491548583081.png


The plans for the fiber service.
special-offer-tariffs_091416015211.jpg


speed-based-tariffs_091416015211.jpg


volume-based-tariffs_091416015211.jpg




Incorrect. India's electricity coverage is over 96%, it's the household coverage which is lacking. The last mile connectivity for electricity is lower than that, but it's okay. Those people cannot afford broadband anyway.

But yeah, Jio has already setup a 250,000Km backbone with a pan-India 1Gbps network and is now working to create an additional 2 million Km of last mile connectivity.

Being in the Internet-related industry yourself, you know very well what this means to data connectivity. You can't even compare S Korea and Japan to this level of infrastructure.

How many countries around in the world today that boast of hosting a nationwide 1Gbps network along with a VoLTE network with a $1500 per capita income?

Why can't I compare, because you have more KM? They reach everyone. That is the milestone, also Tokyo has 1Gb connectivity, but only Tokyo. Canada tried it, only 250 Mb, failed and now it doesn't exist anymore.

The average speed in India and China is also abysmal. Too many people for 100 million to make a dent.

The problem is never no fiber, it's always, cost.

As to the 1500, no, but only because most 1500 countries are in civil war or some sort of war. Though that's not really an endorsement, China has 8000, but most high speed rail. Still a stupidly low per capita, only able to do it with 1.4 billion people.

VoLTE is already active in pretty much all developed nations. China has it as well. Are you referring to connectivity?

I'm referring to how wide spread it is. I have VoLTE, but I also have my own pbx server at home. Honestly I'm not too familiar with Chinese telecom market.

It's not a difficult technology, just hard to update everything. The benefit is there, but not enough, still cool to me though.

Cards are quite widespread.
http://www.medianama.com/2016/06/223-india-has-24-5m-credit-cards-661-8m-debit-cards-in-march-2016/

We also have our own payment system called Rupay. And cards are not gonna disappear because we will still have a foreign population that will require non-Aadhaar enabled payments.

Again, you have 1.3 billion people. That's not a huge penetration.

Yes and no. The 4th Industrial Revolution is primarily categorized by how well we are connected through a digital identity and our use of data. By giving every Indian home an affordable super high speed broadband connection, the entire system of data exchange will turn on its head. And this won't affect India alone, it will affect the entirety of the Internet, India's population is big enough after all.

The fact is we have barely scratched the surface of Aadhaar in this discussion. It is so much more than that. In fact, the digital payments system is an afterthought. It wasn't really the purpose of Aadhaar.

For example, the India Stack.
https://yourstory.com/2016/07/india-stack/

Or the DigiLocker.
https://digilocker.gov.in/about.php

Aadhaar means 'Foundation'. It is basically a platform to create a nationwide database of the entire population. It will eventually hold data of your entire life. You will have to pay taxes through it, you will have to spend money through it. You will raise your kids through it. You will switch jobs or setup companies through it. You will get married and divorced through it. Your entire life will basically revolve around it. Now you can imagine what this will do to the data analysis industry.

Don't hold your breath, China just got 100% electricity coverage, I want to say 1-2 years ago and that last bit cost 300+ million to reach just 34,000 people. Every home is a stretch. It'll be another decade before India is even somewhat close to that. If not more.

Also what you described is what every nation does, just not with fingerprints. It's a card. Or more specifically a number.
 
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