India has largest, most experienced mountain army in the world, says Chinese military expert

[TheGreatMaratha]

Don't know the IA plan. The establishment's plan is 'one at a time'. First let's deal with Pakistan and then we will see.

Agreed. We can afford to take our time. There's no hurry. Better to think it out and than take hasty decisions.

 

[newb3e]

best experienced mountain army but no mountains left to climb in laddakh it seems!

IA is sad!

 

[Signalian]

Who told you that? What 8 kms might it be? You are the last person I thought to see swallowing this nonsense.



You realise that the Nepali government is communist, and is not supported by more than half of Nepal?

Yeah i also though the 8 km was nonsense till i confirmed it from a source. First figure was 3 km and then it came to be 8 km. Can u reply what IA plans to do about it?? or you think that that PLA has not entered at all so nothing needs to be done.

so by communist, u mean that Nepalese inside nepal and overseas dont support their Government ? also the Gurkha regiments, what ratio of gurkhas are in there ? what about Nepali origin soldiers in IA?

 

[Imran Khan]

Yet someone captured 60km of that force

 

[Signalian]

Don't know the IA plan. The establishment's plan is 'one at a time'. First let's deal with Pakistan and then we will see.

- PRTP GWD

I think the Indian establishment's plan will be to start a limited scale offensive with Pakistan to boost morale of IA and turn world's attention towards ISI and Pakistan as the planners to ask China to mount pressure on LAC and then interfere in Nepal against India.

If the 'one time' plan is there then India is making a huge mistake of ignoring China on LAC. The west wanted India as the old Pakistan of 1980's. Pakistan went in Afghanistan and decimated USSR. USA/Europe wants India to act the same with China in the region.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

to boost morale of IA

What if Pak gots upper hand in limited offensive? Don't they fear China's response after their offensive on Pakistan?

 

[Signalian]

What if Pak gots upper hand in limited offensive? Don't they fear China's response after their offensive on Pakistan?

If attacked, Pakistan should turn that limited conflict into a full fledged war and teach the adversary a lesson that it will never forget. No more dramas of surgical strike should be tolerated.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Yeah i also though the 8 km was nonsense till i confirmed it from a source. First figure was 3 km and then it came to be 8 km. Can u reply what IA plans to do about it?? or you think that that PLA has not entered at all so nothing needs to be done.

If you have done so much to verify the facts, mind telling me where?

1. Near Daulat Beg Oldie
2. In Galwan Valley
3. In the Pangong Tso fingers

I have looked up these three and examined in detail all that has appeared in print on the locations, and I would like to know what your source has told you about the location.

so by communist, u mean that Nepalese inside nepal and overseas dont support their Government ? also the Gurkha regiments, what ratio of gurkhas are in there ? what about Nepali origin soldiers in IA?

About the government, they are Khas Nepalis, who depend on their support upon the tribal sections, against their own kith and kin. Other Khas Nepalis were very pro-monarchy, and these people, Brahmins and Chhetris to a man, broke away politically and aroused the tribes.

You need to look up the people called Madhesis. They form a significant part of the electorate, and they tend to incline towards India, being of Indian descent, from the people of the Terai region.

For your information, there is not a single Khas Nepali (Bamans and Chhetris or Khas Thapas) in the Gorkha Rifles. There are only the three Buddhist tribes of central Nepal, Gurung, Magar and Tamang, and the Kiratis of eastern Nepal, the Limbus and the Rais. The only Thapas in the Indian Army are officers; the British did not encourage recruiting them, because they were the officer class of the Nepali Army who stopped the British dead in their tracks, and the British wanted to form close relationships with their Gorkhas without any other centre of influence in the regiments.

The Gorkha Rifles are 100% Gorkha, not a single non-Gorkha among them.The officers are all NDA+IMA graduates and there are Nepali (=Gorkha) among them; the Indian Army did not/does not systematically keep them from command. Some of our greatest war heroes have been commissioned officers of the Indian Army who happen to be Gorkha.

Most Gorkhas are from Nepal; there are very significant percentages from the Darjeeling, Sikkim, and Assam Plains. Limbus and Rais, in fact, come from either eastern Nepal or Darjeeling. The British thought they were not as soldierly as their favourites, the Gurungs, Magars and Tamangs (Pun is a sub-tribe of the Magars; the kid, Dipprasad Pun, who killed 30 Taliban fighters, and beat in the head of the last one with his machine-gun tripod, was a Pun), but they have won their fair share of VCs, and of PVCs, MVCs and VrCs, thank you very much. The Limbus and Rais were the ones who gave the British officers the greatest shock (all of them gave their British officers a shock, these were the ones who stunned them) by refusing to go with the rest of the 7th to Britain, so the Indian Army had to revive an old, discontinued regiment, 11 Gorkhas, just for them.

There are also Gorkhas in the Assam Regiment, and, of course, in the para-military Assam Rifles.

Hope that helps.

best experienced mountain army but no mountains left to climb in laddakh it seems!

IA is sad!

Look up the average height of Ladakh, O Genghis.

 

[Signalian]

If you have done so much to verify the facts, mind telling me where?

1. Near Daulat Beg Oldie
2. In Galwan Valley
3. In the Pangong Tso fingers

I have looked up these three and examined in detail all that has appeared in print on the locations, and I would like to know what your source has told you about the location.

Daulat Beg Oldie.

About the government, they are Khas Nepalis, who depend on their support upon the tribal sections, against their own kith and kin. Other Khas Nepalis were very pro-monarchy, and these people, Brahmins and Chhetris to a man, broke away politically and aroused the tribes.

You need to look up the people called Madhesis. They form a significant part of the electorate, and they tend to incline towards India, being of Indian descent, from the people of the Terai region.

For your information, there is not a single Khas Nepali (Bamans and Chhetris or Khas Thapas) in the Gorkha Rifles. There are only the three Buddhist tribes of central Nepal, Gurung, Magar and Tamang, and the Kiratis of eastern Nepal, the Limbus and the Rais. The only Thapas in the Indian Army are officers; the British did not encourage recruiting them, because they were the officer class of the Nepali Army who stopped the British dead in their tracks, and the British wanted to form close relationships with their Gorkhas without any other centre of influence in the regiments.

The Gorkha Rifles are 100% Gorkha, not a single non-Gorkha among them.The officers are all NDA+IMA graduates and there are Nepali (=Gorkha) among them; the Indian Army did not/does not systematically keep them from command. Some of our greatest war heroes have been commissioned officers of the Indian Army who happen to be Gorkha.

Most Gorkhas are from Nepal; there are very significant percentages from the Darjeeling, Sikkim, and Assam Plains. Limbus and Rais, in fact, come from either eastern Nepal or Darjeeling. The British thought they were not as soldierly as their favourites, the Gurungs, Magars and Tamangs (Pun is a sub-tribe of the Magars; the kid, Dipprasad Pun, who killed 30 Taliban fighters, and beat in the head of the last one with his machine-gun tripod, was a Pun), but they have won their fair share of VCs, and of PVCs, MVCs and VrCs, thank you very much. The Limbus and Rais were the ones who gave the British officers the greatest shock (all of them gave their British officers a shock, these were the ones who stunned them) by refusing to go with the rest of the 7th to Britain, so the Indian Army had to revive an old, discontinued regiment, 11 Gorkhas, just for them.

There are also Gorkhas in the Assam Regiment, and, of course, in the para-military Assam Rifles.

Hope that helps.

Thanks, didn't know this.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

Daulat Beg Oldie.

What about Galwan?

 

[namefield_empty]

There are also Gorkhas in the Assam Regiment, and, of course, in the para-military Assam Rifles.

That's the keyword Joe, personnel are recruited mostly amongst us. And there the next to no difference between the Assamese gorkhas and us.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Daulat Beg Oldie.

Oh, no way. They have massed troops, built tent townships, and moved up light tanks and artillery, but occupied no territory. The problem is that there is neither delimitation nor demarcation of the line of actual control, so-called. It all depends on what you think if you are the local commander. If you draw the line a 100 m. this way or that, nobody can prove you wrong, because nobody can prove what is right.

Thanks, didn't know this.

Just a personal word: if you haven't met a Gorkha, you've missed something. They are the simplest souls in the world, full of mischief and schoolboy pranks, totally unable to use cuss-words if an older person is anywhere in earshot, VERY serious about military matters - no joking around about drill or marksmanship or long-distance hikes (it is advisable NOT to march along with them on these, forget about running, they will kill you with their stamina and speed). Fond of food, very simple food, and religious, and very alive to female presence around them, in a totally schoolboyish way. Gorkha women are pert, smart and give as good as they get, in fact, they generally have the upper hand, and when they get on the dance floor, it is advisable for older people like me to retire gracefully and head for the bar. It's not for people over forty. I love them to bits, and wish West Bengal would treat them better, and India too. Having been brought up by them, I feel closer to them than to my own Bengali race.

I don't need to talk about their courage.

What about Galwan?

I keep getting surprised about the hoo-ha about Galwan. They are on the peaks, and everybody is having fits about it. They will come down, just like they have started retreating from DBO as well; it's only the Fingers that will be a problem, and I think it will be sticky. They were outsmarted by the Indian Army, and they hate being outsmarted, so they built up to the edge and even slightly more of what had been IA patrolling jurisdiction, and I sense they aren't going to back off; it's become a prestige thing now.

That's the keyword Joe, personnel are recruited mostly amongst us. And there the next to no difference between the Assamese gorkhas and us.

None. I asked friends after what you said last time we had a discussion, and they said there's no difference, you can't make out, except from the names, who is ethnic Assamese and who is Gorkha. And they are all sorts, not just Limbus and Rais, lots of Gurungs, Magars and Tamangs. I am still to meet a Chhetri or a Bhattarai soldier; officers, yes, soldier, no.

 

[Pakistani Fighter]

. Gorkha women are pert, smart and give as good as they get

Are they cute?

 

[Joe Shearer]

Are they cute?

As buttons.

 

[Nilgiri]

They are the simplest souls in the world, full of mischief and schoolboy pranks,

Can vouch for that. Had the pleasant experience of coming across a bunch of young fresh Gorkha cadets in the UK doing their training for the army there. Haha, saw a complete new side to them when they are as a group and so young (all gorkhas I had met prior were generally one or two only and generally far older) socialising in a small rest-leave. Though this lot were still on somewhat official best behaviour since their lieutenant was keeping watchful eye.

The townsfolk, old and young, had the greatest reverence for them....many girls (this was a restaurant/cafe) I could tell were very smitten haha.

Much later, the guy showing me around that town was like...they are the nicest, politest lads...but make no mistake.... you want them on your side.

Having been brought up by them, I feel closer to them than to my own Bengali race.

Very lucky you are.