India has expressed interest in possibly purchasing ten C-17 Globemaster III

[mujib.khan]

The projected purchase of these heavy-lift long range aircraft again reconfirms India's dreams of becoming the regional super power. Australia, Indonesia, South Africa and even Turkey must be watching this development with concern.

 

[Iggy]

The projected purchase of these heavy-lift long range aircraft again reconfirms India's dreams of becoming the regional super power. Australia, Indonesia, South Africa and even Turkey must be watching this development with concern.

But buddy we dont have any issues with this countries and also these countries are not in our region ..These aircrafts are just a replacements of old Heavy transport aircraft of Russian orgin ..

 

[Veer]

The projected purchase of these heavy-lift long range aircraft again reconfirms India's dreams of becoming the regional super power. Australia, Indonesia, South Africa and even Turkey must be watching this development with concern.

There is no such thing like regional superpower. Besides South Africa, Turkey, Australia and Indonesia are friendly countries.

If you have even tiny knowledge about Indian Armed Forces you should know that we are not in any arm race but replacing our existing capabilities with newer, modern, sophisticated and advance hardware.

 

[xebex]

The projected purchase of these heavy-lift long range aircraft again reconfirms India's dreams of becoming the regional super power. Australia, Indonesia, South Africa and even Turkey must be watching this development with concern.

You have to split that word, "regional superpower", into two as there is no such thing. Its either "regional power" or "super power." Just FYI, India is already a regional power but predicted to be a superpower in a few decade. Hope u got the difference.

Now, back to the topic.... C-17 sure is a beast. But i hope our babus will not mess at the end like they did for airbus refueler. I really want to see this babe with our tricolor patch.....i really do!

It Can...

(1) Take off from a 7,600-ft. airfield, carry a payload of 160,000 pounds, fly 2,400 nautical miles, refuel while in flight and land in 3,000 ft. or less on a small unpaved or paved airfield in day or night.

(2) Carry a cargo of wheeled U.S. Army vehicles in two side-by-side rows, including the U.S. Army's main battle tank, the M-1. Three Bradley infantry-fighting vehicles comprise one load.

(3) Drop a single 60,000-lb. payload, with sequential load drops of 110,000 lb.

(4) Back up a two-percent slope.

(5) Seat 54 on the sidewall and 48 in the centerline.

Technical Spec....

Wingspan to winglet tip----------169.8 feet (51.74 m)

Length ---------------------------174 feet (53.04 m)

Height at tail --------------------55.1 feet (16.79 m)

Fuselage diameter --------------22.5 feet (6.86 m)

Cargo floor length ---------------68.2 feet (20.78 m)

Ramp length ----------------------21.4 feet (6.52 m) structural length

Loadable width --------------------18 feet (5.49 m)

Loadable height -------------------(under wing) 12.3 feet (3.76m)

Loadable height -------------------(aft of wing) 14.8 feet (4.50m)

Ramp to ground angle -----------9 degrees

Ramp capacity --------------------40,000 lbs. (18,144 kg)

Single load airdrop ----------------60,000 pound platform (27,216 kg)

Sequential loads airdrop ----------110,000 pounds (49,895 kg)
(60 feet of platforms) (18.29 m)

Seating...

Sidewall (permanently installed) .............54 (27 each side, 18 inches wide, 24 inch spacing center to center)

Centerline (stored on board)...................48 (in sets of six back-to-back, 8 sets)

Palletized (10-passenger pallets)..............80 on 8 pallets, plus 54 passengers on sidewall seats

http://www.boeing.com/defense-space/military/c17/c17spec.htm

 

[jha]

10 aint enough....get 25..........

 

[sancho]

i personally prefer if India buys from Germany, but as long as India has France as a close ally i don't see that in near future

You live in Germany too right? So you should know that EADS/Airbus/Eurocopter is a consortium where Germany and France are the main partners!
Every Airbus that India might buy will be from Germany and France, every Eurocopter aircraft will be from Germany and France and even in other fields they try to team up! German HDW tried to coop with french DCNS, for co-developments of navy vessels and subs, but they are mainly under the French Gov, whereas German companies are privat.
So France is not a limiting factor for Germany, it will be even better for Germany with the close relationship of France to several nations in future.

 

[sudhir007]

10 aint enough....get 25..........

Pisaa kya world bank se milega ya usa pak ki tarha hame bhi gift de raha hai.

 

[marcos98]

You have to split that word, "regional superpower", into two as there is no such thing. Its either "regional power" or "super power." Just FYI, India is already a regional power but predicted to be a superpower in a few decade. Hope u got the difference.

Now, back to the topic.... C-17 sure is a beast. But i hope our babus will not mess at the end like they did for airbus refueler. I really want to see this babe with our tricolor patch.....i really do!

It Can...

(1) Take off from a 7,600-ft. airfield, carry a payload of 160,000 pounds, fly 2,400 nautical miles, refuel while in flight and land in 3,000 ft. or less on a small unpaved or paved airfield in day or night.

(2) Carry a cargo of wheeled U.S. Army vehicles in two side-by-side rows, including the U.S. Army's main battle tank, the M-1. Three Bradley infantry-fighting vehicles comprise one load.

(3) Drop a single 60,000-lb. payload, with sequential load drops of 110,000 lb.

(4) Back up a two-percent slope.

(5) Seat 54 on the sidewall and 48 in the centerline.

Technical Spec....

Wingspan to winglet tip----------169.8 feet (51.74 m)

Length ---------------------------174 feet (53.04 m)

Height at tail --------------------55.1 feet (16.79 m)

Fuselage diameter --------------22.5 feet (6.86 m)

Cargo floor length ---------------68.2 feet (20.78 m)

Ramp length ----------------------21.4 feet (6.52 m) structural length

Loadable width --------------------18 feet (5.49 m)

Loadable height -------------------(under wing) 12.3 feet (3.76m)

Loadable height -------------------(aft of wing) 14.8 feet (4.50m)

Ramp to ground angle -----------9 degrees

Ramp capacity --------------------40,000 lbs. (18,144 kg)

Single load airdrop ----------------60,000 pound platform (27,216 kg)

Sequential loads airdrop ----------110,000 pounds (49,895 kg)
(60 feet of platforms) (18.29 m)

Seating...

Sidewall (permanently installed) .............54 (27 each side, 18 inches wide, 24 inch spacing center to center)

Centerline (stored on board)...................48 (in sets of six back-to-back, 8 sets)

Palletized (10-passenger pallets)..............80 on 8 pallets, plus 54 passengers on sidewall seats

Boeing: C-17 Globemaster III - Technical Specifications

so hope the fin ministry doesnt interfere this time and compel to go for more cheaper il76.....
c17s sure are humunguos........

 

[gogbot]

so hope the fin ministry doesnt interfere this time and compel to go for more cheaper il76.....
c17s sure are humunguos........

by the sounds of it its a government to government deal.

so unlikely

 

[jha]

Pisaa kya world bank se milega ya usa pak ki tarha hame bhi gift de raha hai.

paisa politicians ke swiss bank account se aayega....

 

[Raje amar]

i think there is bassic deferance in boath the deals. While as C-17 Globemaster III has significant advantages over IL 76, i could not find the case in A330 & IL 78 MRTT. Other than difference in range and some tech. advantages, i fail to find any thing which can provide a strategic advantage




A330:

General characteristics

Crew: 3: 2 pilots, 1 AAR operator
Capacity: 380 passengers and 8 military pallets + 1LD6 container + 1 LD3 container (lower deck cargo compartments)
Length: 58.80 m (193 ft)
Wingspan: 60.3 m (198 ft)
Height: 17.4 m (5857 ft)
Wing area: 362 m² (3900 ft&#178
Empty weight: 125,000 kg (275,600 lb)
Useful load: 45,000 kg (99,000 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 233,000 kg (514,000 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Rolls-Royce Trent 772B or General Electric CF6-80E1A4 or Pratt&Whitney PW 4168A turbofans, 320 kN (72,000 lbf) 320 kN each
Performance

Maximum speed: 880 km/h (475 knots, 547 mph)
Cruise speed: 860 km/h (464 knots, 534 mph)
Range: 14,800 km (8,000 nm, 9,200 mi)
Service ceiling: 12,600 m (41,500 ft)

IL78:

General characteristics

Crew: Six
Capacity: 138,000 kg (304,233 lb) of fuel
Length: 46.59 m (152 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 50.50 m (165 ft 8 in)
Height: 14.76 m (37 ft 1 in)
Wing area: 300 m² (3,230 ft&#178
Empty weight: 72,000 kg (202,821 lb)
Useful load: 85,720 kg (188,980 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 210,000 kg (462,962 lb)
Powerplant: 4× Aviadvigatel D-30 KP turbofan engines, 118 kN (26,500 lbf) each
Special equipment: 3 x UPAZ-1M 'Sakhalin', (oonifitseerovannyy podvesnoy agregaht zaprahvki - standardised suspended refuelling unit), refuelling pods; Two on pylons under the outer wings, and the third on the port side of the rear fuselage.
Performance

Maximum speed: 850 km/h (460 kn, 530 mph)
Range: 7,300 km (3,942 nmi, 4,551 mi)
Service ceiling: 12,000 m (39,360 ft)
Thrust/weight: 0.23

 

[faithfulguy]

Just wondering, is there any word on ToT in this deal?

 

[jha]

no tot this time....anyways they wont give tot for 10 planes...and imo it would not be of much use....since india does not have the technical acumen to build these ........

 

[gogbot]

Just wondering, is there any word on ToT in this deal?

Its a government to government deal so details are not so public.

And even then doubt full. Why would we need ToT for big giant cargo plane.

an impressive plane no doubt, but why ?

its not strategically critical technology

 

[EjazR]

Govt set to ink record $2.2bn arms deal with US - India - The Times of India

NEW DELHI: The stage is being set for what will be the largest-ever Indo-US defence deal till now. New Delhi has now formally approached Washington for a direct government-to-government deal for acquiring 10 C-17 Globemaster-III giant strategic airlift aircraft, each of which comes for over a whopping $220 million.

This would well supplant the $2.1 billion contract for eight Boeing P-8I long-range maritime reconnaissance aircraft inked last year and the $962 million one for six C-130J `Super Hercules' planes clinched in 2007.

With US aggressively muscling into the lucrative Indian market, often bagging deals under its direct Foreign Military
Sales (FMS) programme instead of vying in global tenders, the Europeans are getting increasingly upset.

Some of them even see "American influence'' at work behind the Indian defence ministry's scrapping of the almost-finalised deals like the $1 billion contract for 197 Eurocopter light utility helicopters and $1.5 billion project for six Airbus-330 MRTT mid-air refuelling aircraft.

Defence ministry officials, however, dismiss such `fanciful' claims. The biggest prize, of course, is still to be awarded: the $10.4 billion project to acquire 126 medium multi-role combat aircraft for IAF.

Two American fighters, F/A-18 `Super Hornet' and F-16 `Falcon', are competing with French Rafale, Russian MiG-35, Swedish Gripen and Eurofighter Typhoon in this hotly-contested race.

As for the Globemaster project, India sent `a letter of request' for the acquisition of 10 C-17s to the US government last week after getting the nod from the Defence Acquisitions Council headed by defence minister A K Antony. "Under FMS, we will get C-17s at the same price the US government buys them from Boeing, plus some service charges,'' said an MoD official.

IAF certainly needs to augment its strategic airlift capability to swiftly move large combat systems and troops over large national and international distances, given that it has barely a dozen Russian-origin IL-76 `Gajraj' aircraft. IAF's medium-lift fleet, in turn, includes 104 Russian AN-32 aircraft.

The massive four-engine C-17 dwarfs them all. Capable of carrying a payload of up to 170,000 pounds, it can transport tanks and troops over 2,400 nautical miles.

With mid-air refuelling, the C-17 can go even longer distances. Rugged as it is, a C-17 can even land at a small forward airbase on a semi-prepared runway or airdrop over 100 combat-ready paratroopers directly into a battlezone. "It can take-off and land in 3,000 feet or less,'' said an official.

There are 212 C-17s in service around the globe at present, with the major chunk of them deployed with US Air Force. Other customers include UK, Qatar, Canada, Australia and Nato.

Incidentally, India and US have already finalised the End-Use Monitoring Agreement (EUMA), and the inking of the Communication Interoperability and Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) is now on the cards, to smoothen defence deals. The two pacts are required under US domestic laws to ensure compliance with sensitive technology control requirements.

Indo-US defence deals

* 2002: $190 million for 12 AN/TPQ-37 firefinder weapon-locating radars

* 2006: $53.5 million for amphibious transport vessel USS Trenton, with another $39 million for six UH-3H helicopters to operate from it

* 2007: $962 million for 6 C-130J `Super Hercules' aircraft

* 2009: $2.1 billion for 8 P-8I maritime reconnaissance aircraft

* And now, stage set for $2.2 billion acquisition of 10 C-17 Globemaster-III aircraft