India explores rail link with Iran, Turkey

[coffee_cup]

What is China bringing on the table in CPEC ?

Similarly Indians will be creating infra but without infringing upon your sovereignty.

Mutual relations may improve, defence spending may reduce

India has a huge negative baggage that she carries and needs first to get rid off, i.e. her support for cross-border terrorism for more than the past half century in Pakistan and other neighboring countries. And which has resulted in 100s of thousands of innocent civilians death (LTTE, Mukti Bahini, BLA, TTP etc).

And also all those wars and current war mongering with Pakistan.

That alone is something where China beats you hands down if it ever comes to chosing between you and China.

 

[Itachi]

What is China bringing on the table in CPEC ?

Similarly Indians will be creating infra but without infringing upon your sovereignty.

Mutual relations may improve, defence spending may reduce

Again, let's focus on India, not Pakistan, not China, not Bangladesh.

What do you mean by "creating infra"? Please elaborate. Reduction in defense spending? How?

Also, how will India bypass Pakistan? By China? Will they allow it? If so, then they can block it too. Is there any solution that doesn't involve Pakistan or China?

Sea route?

From India to Oman-KSA-Iran(will they allow a underwater link between them and KSA? )-Turkey-Europe.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

Yes that is true, however if there is will, there will be way for co-operation.

This rail plan is part of CPEC. you are welcome to join cpec.

 

[my2cents]

Dude, please stay on topic. I just asked all the Indian members as to what India will be bringing on table in return, that's all. I'm seriously curious. Everything you said above is for another time, another thread.

Cheers.

Fresh produce, grains, spices, garments, pharmaceuticals, automobiles, rice, buffalo meat, leather goods, machinery, steel, cement etc

 

[Laozi]

India has a huge negative baggage that she carries and needs first to get rid off, i.e. her support for cross-border terrorism for more than the past half century in Pakistan and other neighboring countries. And which has resulted in 100s of thousands of innocent civilians death (LTTE, Mukti Bahini, BLA, TTP etc).

And also all those wars and current war mongering with Pakistan.

That alone is something where China beats you hands down if it ever comes to chosing between you and China.

Indian negative baggage is just a recent Pakistani narrative coined by your establishment to relieve International pressure.

Has Pakistan ever raised this issue two years back on any International Forum. ( If you are thinking about bilateral Sherman Sheik incidence then start with Lahore declaration )

Has any country beside Pakistan has ever accused India of sponsoring Terrorism.

Again, let's focus on India, not Pakistan, not China, not Bangladesh.

What do you mean by "creating infra"? Please elaborate. Reduction in defense spending? How?

Also, how will India bypass Pakistan? By China? Will they allow it? If so, then they can block it too. Is there any solution that doesn't involve Pakistan or China?

Sea route?

From India to Oman-KSA-Iran(will they allow a underwater link between them and KSA? )-Turkey-Europe.

Do read OP before indulging in seemingly Intelligent discussions

This might help clear some of your doubts

The UN Economic and Social Commission for Asia and the Pacific (ESCAP) has been promoting the project for years through holding various conferences and carrying out feasibility studies on rail network between the countries. ESCAP has identified Dhaka-Kolkata-Delhi-Amritsar-Lahore-Islamabad-Zahedan-Tehran-Istanbul as the possible rail route, according to a senior Indian Railway Ministry official. The route has the strategic advantage of connecting the capitals of these countries.

 

[coffee_cup]

Indian negative baggage is just a recent Pakistani narrative coined by your establishment to relieve International pressure.

Has Pakistan ever raised this issue two years back on any International Forum. ( If you are thinking about bilateral Sherman Sheik incidence then start with Lahore declaration )

Has any country beside Pakistan has ever accused India of sponsoring Terrorism.

It is an established fact, the one none other than your own fanatic PM/ NSA / DM so openly gloat about.

You can twist as you wish to, but deaths of 100s of thousands of innocent civilians and introduction of the monster of suicide bombers in the region is on your shoulders.

As a goodwill gesture, India must IMMEDIATELY stop her support for cross-border terrorism in the region, apologize to other neighboring countries for the attrocities her terrorist proxies have commited for more than half century. Promise not to repeat that again and then we are back in business.

All else is hot air, wont get you any favors and you can plan whatever you want to, you ain't gonna get any transit via Pakistan.

Fresh produce, grains, spices, garments, pharmaceuticals, automobiles, rice, buffalo meat, leather goods, machinery, steel, cement etc

A lot of these are in direct competition with our own exports. Why should we give you an edge by allowing a fast track transit via our country?

 

[MarcsPakistan]

What about Vedic flying trains? They say they have blueprints for extreme advanced technology thousands of years old. Its in a big book somewhere in India.

This technology main focus is that "How to survive in a cave without fire " possibly.

 

[Laozi]

It is an established fact, the one none other than your own fanatic PM/ NSA / DM so openly gloat about.

Stop getting confused with terrorism and BD liberation. Read history written by neutral sources. BTW For last two years Indians have started needling Pakistan and we are loving it

You can twist as you wish to, but deaths of 100s of thousands of innocent civilians and introduction of the monster of suicide bombers in the region is on your shoulders.

You really believe in what you write or just assume that others are insanely gullible ???

As a goodwill gesture, India must IMMEDIATELY stop her support for cross-border terrorism in the region, apologize to other neighboring countries for the attrocities her terrorist proxies have commited for more than half century. Promise not to repeat that again and then we are back in business

Shouldn't America and Pakistan should start this healthy tradition which you advising for India ?

All else is hot air, wont get you any favors and you can plan whatever you want to, you ain't gonna get any transit via Pakistan.

That brings us back to square one.

India will do anything to get what it wants

 

[PaklovesTurkiye]

With the other side of fence, majoring mostly in trowing bomb, grenades, bomb vests or themselves am not sure even if it gets implemented how govt going to protect it.

Exactly...Indians will have hard time passing their product through the land on which Indians tried to inflict harm...On the other hand, Chinese, Iranians, Central Asians will go easy and smooth thr' CPEC and land of pure.

 

[coffee_cup]

Stop getting confused with terrorism and BD liberation. Read history written by neutral sources. BTW For last two years Indians has started needling Pakistan and we are loving it

There you go, the terrorist proxies that unleash havoc on civilian population are "liberation movements" for you. Fine, that is the end of that discussion then.

You really believe in what you write or just assume that others are insanely gullible ???

Your trained terrorists LTTE introduced the maniac of suicide bombings in the region, it is a well established fact. But whom am I kidding by expecting delusional Indians to live in reality for just once?

Shouldn't America and Pakistan should start this healthy tradition which you advising for India ?

Well, being the best buddies of America, whom you have just rented out your country to use as base for attacking China in case of war, why don't you take up this directly with them?

That brings us back to square one.

India will do anything to get what it wants

Yeah right, you can continue exporting terrorism via your terrorist proxies, but we'll defeat them just like Sri Lanka did. And at the same time your own internal insurgenices are getting stronger by the day. Lose-lose for the whole region, this is something that Indians are best at!

You ain't gonna get any transit. Period! Carry on with your day-dreaming.

 

[BABA AGHORI]

People on high horses are ignoring one crucial fact (among several others).

Even if Pakistan joins in with India and let's it make a route through Punjab/KPK/Balochistan what if war starts? What then?

Even if India joins CPEC or joins in a agreement with China (and China's other neighbors) i.e China-Russia-Iran-Turkey or China-Kyrgyzstan/Uzkebistan/Turkmenistan-Iran-Turkey. Will China (and/or other Muslim countries) still honor the agreement and trade with India in case of a Indo-Pak war?

The answer to this thread is simple. No matter how much India wants to join with M.E/C.A./Europe, it has to go through pro-Pakistani countries with whom it's either on good or neutral terms; terms that will definitely change in times of war.

No one wants a hegemonic India in the region (or in the surrounding regions) especially one that is supported by the US & Israel.

Also what does India have to bring onto the table? What commodities is it going to trade with in exchange for gas from Iran (for example), if it's just a one way trade in exchange for cash then India won't gain anything.

On the other hand, anything that India brings on table except for cash is going to be competing against domestic, Pakistani, Chinese and countless other countries products. So, what can India truly present other than cash?

@Indian members, please reply to this post with what India can bring on the table. Interesting...

What Pakistan produce can not compete with India or China.. with the new power projects churning power at 15 PKR per unit and competing with India where new projects are around 5PKR per unit and China even less than that India is producing

Moreover with CPEC connecting China through Xinjiang provence which produce 60% of cotton for China. Pakistan can easily imagine what will be the future of textile business.
India can easily do with Kandla connected with chabahar as of now, it will only increase the time by a day or two. nothing more.
What Paksitan would be loosing leverage over India by controlling supply lines for India. What India can do is and will continue to do is to put pressure on CPEC by anyway possible because Pakistan has promissed garrenty returns to China. Also make sure there is no easy way to connect via Afg. to CAR for Pak.
India is making a fetilizer plant in Iran and that will bring down the price for urea and DAP even more for our farmers thus putting a lot of pressure on price of agricultural comoditities and make it harder to compete internationally.
India has nothing much to loose, just trying to make an anti development non corporative image of Pakistan at global level.

 

[Laozi]

There you go, the terrorist proxies that unleash havoc on civilian population are "liberation movements" for you. Fine, that is the end of that discussion then.

If Indians have unleashed havoc on BD civilians then it is of course End Of Discussion

Your trained terrorists LTTE introduced the maniac of suicide bombings in the region, it is a well established fact. But whom am I kidding by expecting delusional Indians to live in reality for just once?

No India and Hinduism can never promote suicide or suicide bombing it is against religious beliefs

Well, being the best buddies of America, whom you have just rented out your country to use as base for attacking China in case of war, why don't you take up this directly with them?

We know who sold Gwadar and who used all your bases in war on Terror.

Now name one Indian base which is used by our best buddy.

Yeah right, you can continue exporting terrorism via your terrorist proxies, but we'll defeat them just like Sri Lanka did. And at the same time your own internal insurgenices are getting stronger by the day. Lose-lose for the whole region, this is something that Indians are best at!

You ain't gonna get any transit. Period! Carry on with your day-dreaming.

Don't worry we will catch you napping. Be ready

 

[Goenitz]

Exactly !!!! you don't want a repetition of history

my mere point was who supported terrorists.. first!!!!

 

[coffee_cup]

What Pakistan produce can not compete with India or China.. with the new power projects churning power at 15 PKR per unit and competing with India where new projects are around 5PKR per unit and China even less than that.
India is
Moreover with CPEC connecting China through Xinjiang provence which produce 60% of cotton for China. Pakistan can easily imagine what will be the future of textile business.
India can easily do with Kandla connected with chabahar as of now, it will only increase the time by a day or two. nothing more.
What Paksitan would be loosing leverage over India by controlling supply lines for India. What India can do is and will continue to do is to put pressure on CPEC by anyway possible because Pakistan has promissed garrenty returns to China. Also make sure there is no easy way to connect via Afg. to CAR for Pak.
India is making a fetilizer plant in Iran and that will bring down the price for urea and DAP even more for our farmers thus putting a lot of pressure on price of agricultural comoditities and make it harder to compete internationally.
India has nothing much to loose, just trying to make an anti development non corporative image of Pakistan at global level.

Thank you for all the valuable advice my friend.

But we ask you only one favor: Stop exporting terrorism to Pakistan. That would be the greatest help you could give us.

Let all the rest be our headache.

 

[Laozi]

my mere point was who supported terrorists.. first!!!!

Perception about things change with time. Human slavery was admissible, colonial rule was admissible, armed militancy was admissible.

You have sent armed Pakhtoons in Kashmir in 1947 therefore you started it. You have tried to take revenge of 1971 by arming Khalistanis and Kashmiris. We know that and It is Even between us now, Isn't it ...... ??

Now these things are not acceptable and you have to do that very surreptitiously, like Doval is doing