India explores rail link with Iran, Turkey

[coffee_cup]

Why are you asking others to stop doing this and that... Please find out the cause and address it in your policies. India have a policy and she is sticking to it. If something happens wrong in India, India have already figured out how to fix it on the source of origin. And it is working fine for India as for now.

Ok you are getting off-topic now.

As long as India does not stop her cross-border terrorism in Pakistan there is no way that Pakistan will allow India any transit to any country via its territory.

Lose-lose for all the countries in the region, especially for India. Only due to Indian stubbornness and living in delusional state where she dreams of "Akhand Baharat" and thinks she is some kind of supa powa.

We are fine with the status quo.

 

[RoadRunner401]

Indian economy cannot afford transit through Pakistan.
In order to make Indian dream materialize, they need serious amounts of subsidy from Pakistan.
Perhaps US / IMF can negotiate some support via politicians of Pakistan.


Sorry I didn't read your remarks before... this might be good proposal for both Indians and Iranians.

I would love to know which planet, you are from @BATMAN

 

[BABA AGHORI]

Ok you are getting off-topic now.

As long as India does not stop her cross-border terrorism in Pakistan there is no way that Pakistan will allow India any transit to any country via its territory.

Lose-lose for all the countries in the region, especially for India. Only due to Indian stubbornness and living in delusional state where she dreams of "Akhand Baharat" and thinks she is some kind of supa powa.

You should stop blaming others and concentrate on solving internal problems. India is not keen for overland passage from Pakistan. India has enough resources to create an alternate and working on it.
India is doing pretty well growing at a very decent pace without the access. India will create an alternate for trade in the region so that no one can be bullied and blackmailed. Region needs entitites who are intreasted in trade rather than creating nuisance for others.
India should keep the cost high for peace. Current policy is working pretty well.

Rail link to Turkey until Chabahar and then via sea link will work perfectly. India is also working on North South Transport corridor. A perfect peacefull entitiy for the CAR region too.

 

[Laozi]

Rajiv Ghandhi says, "Hello my dear Laozi, how old are you?"

Two points:

It happened way back in 1991 more than quarter century ago.

And Rajiv Gandhi was directly responsible for killing LTTE members by sending IPKF

Do post Any recent suicide bombing, the kind which happens everyday

To use USA bases against whom? Canada? Mexico?

Who knows, who fights against whom in WW 3

Whereas Pakistan-China are very strong allies since the last 65 years or so.

But did China allied with you when India and Pakistan fought wars ?

I doubt USA will ever do anything against her own self-interests in case of India.

You can say the same for India.

 

[coffee_cup]

Two points:

It happened way back in 1991 more than quarter century ago.

And Rajiv Gandhi was directly responsible for killing LTTE members by sending IPKF

Do you even know what we were discussing?

That it was India who introduced suicide bombings in the region via her terrorist proxy LTTE way back in the past, when no one in the region even knew that something like that exists.

Now try again.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

No need to engage in any such venture. Once the road belt is completed (CPEC), there would be a rail-line as well. We can extend that where ever we want. India can continue whatever it want to accomplish along with Iran and Russia. It would be another chabahar kinda project.

 

[Laozi]

Do you even know what we were discussing?

That it was India who introduced suicide bombings in the region via her terrorist proxy LTTE way back in the past, when no one in the region even knew that something like that exists.

Now try again.

So out of thousands of things which you could have learned from 5000 years old civilisation, you people got so carried away with one-off LTTE suicide bombings that you have made that a part of your daily life.

Sad.. You could have opted for anything better.

But Humans are selective and generally choose what attract them

BTW Indians have stopped committing suicide bombing 25 years back It's high time you re-look your options.

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

So out of thousands of things which you could have learned from 5000 years old civilisation, you people got so carried away with one-off LTTE suicide bombings that you have made that a part of your daily life.

Sad.. You could have opted for anything better.

But Humans are selective and generally choose what attract them

BTW Indians have stopped committing suicide bombing 25 years back It's high time you re-look your options.

Indians don't do suicidal attacks. They use sold out Muslims living in India to motivate other Muslims do such attacks. Look what they're doing in Afghanistan. Brainwashing Afghani Muslims, using Indian Muslims to destabilize Pakistan. It's a fact.

 

[mrrehan]

India is WEIGHING (Careful consideration) the possibility.

This is nothing new.

The project is apparently part of the International North-South Transport Corridor (NSTC).

Where as CPEC has already start working, gradually it will be more equipped to facilitate more and more economic activity. Including train link. Why India is replicating the existing Idea.

NSTC has more handling of goods for India because India have to

* First ship any thing to their ports (from different part of India)
* Then it will board the cargo ship if all is well.
* From sea, across Pakistani ocean in to Iranian port.
* From Iranian port it will again unloaded from ship to uploaded to trucks or train.
* Now going to respected countries goods belong to.

Using CPEC India can play smart, without bothering ocean.

But yes, either-way, Indian is using NSTC-ocean or CPEC it has to depend on Pakistan specially in case of war.

At least unavoidable delaying factor is there in NSTC, No escape for India, it's bitter destiny.

 

[shahbaz baig]

humm i really want to see what can india achieve with 10 berths and 9 meter deep sea by passing the Pakistani sea territory

 

[coffee_cup]

So out of thousands of things which you could have learned from 5000 years old civilisation, you people got so carried away with one-off LTTE suicide bombings that you have made that a part of your daily life.

Sad.. You could have opted for anything better.

But Humans are selective and generally choose what attract them

BTW Indians have stopped committing suicide bombing 25 years back It's high time you re-look your options.

You Indians might have very short memory but those who had to suffer your terrorism for decades do not forget that easily.

Ask Sri Lankans how they had to suffer the suicide bombings of your terrorist proxy LTTE for decades.

Fact remains, it is India who introduced suicide bombings in this region!

Now go on justifying it by twisting history...

 

[BABA AGHORI]

humm i really want to see what can india achieve with 10 berths and 9 meter deep sea by passing the Pakistani sea territory

Pakistan's sea territory means pakistan sovereign waters ? Do you know it is just upto 12 nautical miles...This green and blue region is international sea route..no one can legally stop indian ships in this green blue eez of yours...

 

[coffee_cup]

Pakistan's sea territory means pakistan sovereign waters ? Do you know it is just upto 12 nautical miles...This green and blue region is international sea route..no one can legally stop indian ships in this green blue eez of yours...

But you can't build pipelines or under-see passage in that region without Pakistan's permission. If you think you can, then go ahead and give it a try,

 

[Saif-ud-Din Qutuz]

Pakistan's sea territory means pakistan sovereign waters ? Do you know it is just upto 12 nautical miles...This green and blue region is international sea route..no one can legally stop indian ships in this green blue eez of yours...

US thought the same about South China sea. Look whats happening there. Same will happen here as well. Don't worry.

 

[Itachi]

Fresh produce, grains, spices, garments, pharmaceuticals, automobiles, rice, buffalo meat, leather goods, machinery, steel, cement etc

How is the produce going to be still fresh by the time it reaches Turkey?

Also, grains, spices, garments, rice, leather goods, steel & cement are highly industrialized in Pakistan too while China leads in machinery & pharmaceuticals.

Plus, anything that leaves India will be heavily taxed by both China & Pakistan (to increase the cost of each commodity so that it can't compete against theirs). Afterwards, the above commodities being shipped around will have to pay the shipment price too (again, something that will increase the price). Then, the products will be competing against not only domestic but several other countries too (Turkey leads in chinaware/crockery among many other items, Iranian commodities, Chinese commodities, Pakistani commodities & so on and so forth).

Do read OP before indulging in seemingly Intelligent discussions

This might help clear some of your doubts

I did, that's why I (and many other members before me) said that Pakistan won't allow India any route through it. That's why I was suggesting alternatives, silly.

What Pakistan produce can not compete with India or China.. with the new power projects churning power at 15 PKR per unit and competing with India where new projects are around 5PKR per unit and China even less than that India is producing

Surely the cost will go down overtime. Plus, you have already mentioned that your produce cannot compete against China's. So end of story.

Moreover with CPEC connecting China through Xinjiang provence which produce 60% of cotton for China. Pakistan can easily imagine what will be the future of textile business.
India can easily do with Kandla connected with chabahar as of now, it will only increase the time by a day or two. nothing more.

China first has to fulfill it's own cotton needs before exporting. Plus, look below.

Top Cotton Exports by Country
Below are the 15 countries that exported the highest dollar value worth of cotton during 2015:

1. China: US$15.8 billion (29.1% of total cotton exports)
2. India: $7.5 billion (13.8%)
3. United States: $5.9 billion (10.8%)
4. Pakistan: $3.1 billion (5.7%)
5. Hong Kong: $2.3 billion (4.3%)
6. Vietnam: $1.8 billion (3.2%)
7. Turkey: $1.7 billion (3.1%)
8. Italy: $1.5 billion (2.7%)
9. Brazil: $1.4 billion (2.7%)
10. Germany: $998.9 million (1.8%)
11. Uzbekistan: $835.4 million (1.5%)
12. Australia: $820.6 million (1.5%)
13. Indonesia: $731.6 million (1.3%)
14. Spain: $652 million (1.2%)
15. South Korea: $644.8 million (1.2%)

Despite being 4x the size of Pakistan India's cotton exports are only 2.5x higher than Pakistan's. On top of that, arable land (the is used for crops) is 47.87% of India's total land available. Pakistan's arable land is at 26.02%.

That leads to 1,423,267.5 sq km of arable land for India while for Pakistan, it's 200,581.6 sq km. So, India's arable land is 7x bigger than Pakistan's.

So, let's end our Pakistan Vs. India discussion. Let's keep it to India, shall we?

Also, when Chabahar is complete, then we can talk.

What Paksitan would be loosing leverage over India by controlling supply lines for India. What India can do is and will continue to do is to put pressure on CPEC by anyway possible because Pakistan has promissed garrenty returns to China. Also make sure there is no easy way to connect via Afg. to CAR for Pak.
India is making a fetilizer plant in Iran and that will bring down the price for urea and DAP even more for our farmers thus putting a lot of pressure on price of agricultural comoditities and make it harder to compete internationally.
India has nothing much to loose, just trying to make an anti development non corporative image of Pakistan at global level.

Again, your diverting from the topic & bringing in CPEC. Keep it to India & it's exports. Also, the plant being made in Iran, you think it won't be taxed? How will the fertilizer be moved back to India? Through sea? Possibly through Pakistani territorial waters (more taxes, higher costs if they avoid Pakistani waters; higher cost either way).

You get the point, hopefully.