India did it all Eons Ago Cars, Stem Cell research & All that

[SarthakGanguly]

I love fish

Before eating you will need to buy and prepare it. You will know what I mean Provided you don't have it delivered cooked

 

[scorpionx]

I love fish

We love it too but If somebody gives me a fish fried in coconut oil, i will simply strangle him to death.

 

[Skull and Bones]

Hey - I agree with you, actually on this point. I won't generalize because there were more designs in it, but the one you quoted above (Vaimanik Shastra thingy) would never be fly worthy (without a large number of downward thrust boosters). Swim - may be

But check the Rukma Vimana design - The ISRO Bangalore concluded that this was the only one realistic design. Quite futuristic actually.

Again, highly unlikely. The main constituent metal proposed in the Vaimanika shastra is iron, because that is the only metal known to them back then. That would make the three storied high aircraft too much heavy for a VTOL, as proposed in the paper.

http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Port...l/ACriticalStudyOfTheWorkVaimanikaShastra.pdf

 

[SarthakGanguly]

Again, highly unlikely. The main constituent metal proposed in the Vaimanika shastra is iron, because that is the only metal known to them back then. That would make the three storied high aircraft too much heavy for a VTOL, as proposed in the paper.

http://cgpl.iisc.ernet.in/site/Port...l/ACriticalStudyOfTheWorkVaimanikaShastra.pdf

Agreed Still a cool design.

 

[Chronos]

Agreed Still a cool design.

the design is badass.

Hindus are an imaginative bunch

 

[sms]

I'm not sure about the aviation/ weapon in ancient India.
But I'm very confident to say that we were center of spiritual development and had a good medical system compare to what was available to other civilizations at that time.

About aviation....read following ..
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[sid426]

Atleast this would enable us to look into our religious texts to find out what is in there and what is not.There are many many things which have been discovered or invented by Indians,time to look into the vedas to find out the exact truth.

Ever heard of Shivakar Bapu ji Talpade,who invented the aeroplane? He has claimed that he formed that aeroplane prototype taking inputs from vimana shastra.

Indian history is so old that it is difficult to ascertain the facts.

You never know..

 

[Skull and Bones]

Atleast this would enable us to look into our religious texts to find out what is in there and what is not.There are many many things which have been discovered or invented by Indians,time to look into the vedas to find out the exact truth.

Ever heard of Shivakar Bapu ji Talpade,who invented the aeroplane? He has claimed that he formed that aeroplane prototype taking inputs from vimana shastra.

Indian history is so old that it is difficult to ascertain the facts.

You never know..

Yes, no one is discrediting the indigenous achievement of the Vedic period, but at the same time, making ridiculous statement to prove your superiority is lame. I bet they don't know a jackshyte on stem cell if asked, to cite and prove from Vedas.

 

[livingdead]

@SarthakGanguly if sarcasm can prove the opposite, then I am the most stupid poster here, ban me..

to repeate what skull said, nobody is taking away achievements of vedic people, or greeks, or sumerians.. but to say we did it all already is really stupid.
BTW the skeptic mind of the same people kicks in if person of a rival civilization makes similar claims.

 

[Skull and Bones]

How many of you know about the Antikythera mechanism, the first mechanical computer to keep track of the movement of celestial bodies? Whose appearance happened again after 1800 years. Isolated advanced civilizations happened many times through out the evolution of human kind.

You never know.

 

[sid426]

Yes, no one is discrediting the indigenous achievement of the Vedic period, but at the same time, making ridiculous statement to prove your superiority is lame. I bet they don't know a jackshyte on stem cell if asked, to cite and prove from Vedas.

That is why I want a genuine debate over the vedas.Everybody knows that they have been systematically modified with time.

 

[he-man]

AM guessing most people here have not heard of the Kattapadi system

@Contrarian Suggest you go through this Video

Ayurveda was good maybe 500 years back,,,not anymore

 

[Indischer]

It's a small fish not larger than your finger size and tastes delicious with mustard and green chilli. Now don't look at his eyes.

Why did you have to say that? It's all I could do afterwards....and I'm scared of fish now.

 

[Contrarian]

Ok. I guess we are going in circles.
Let me break it down,
a) We are one of the oldest and mostly intact (relative to the world) civilization in the world
b) We have been one of the richest regions in the world (hence the invasions and plunder)
c) We have had a swelled-to-the-brim population for most part
d) We have had excellent river systems which were key to flourishing of a civilization
yet,
a) We never explored nor debated the existential politico-legal framework like the Egyptians, Greeks and Romans did
b) We never had great philosophers who published journals on human thought
c) We did not have a just social system, no serious attempt was never made (no record) to alter it
d) We did not have any historians of repute who logged history for us, Romans, Greeks and Persians always had historians and writers even in the armies
e) We never developed a successful irrigation system, till the mughals came. We did not even improve upon borrowed agricultural tools like a sickle or a bull's harness

The fact of the matter is, our true contribution to the world is spiritual in terms of schools of thoughts for discussing theology and god. An indicator of this is the number of successful religions that came out of India.
There were Deans and academicians in ancient Greece who taught subject that both you and I have read in school.
Nothing of that sort has been recorded in India.
We had Nalanda and Taxila where theology and Vedas were taught.
Yet people go gung-ho about the Achievements of ancient India.
IF There ever was a time when we had achieved something great, it would have shown. When we can dig-up diamonds and dino bones, a great culture is not that hard to find.
As far as Mahabharata is concerned, I like it as a good story and dont buy any of the gizmo-crazy stuff that is talked about in it.
I hope we are on the same page as far as crazy stuff written in our scriptures being deemed crazy is concerned.



Maybe they were, maybe they weren't. Science grows progressively mostly, unless some one comes up with a steam engine, every once in a while.
There is no evidence and being a scientific man myself, I dont belive any of it. I am sure neither would anybody else.

Sarthak answered a lot of these questions though in a rhetorical format.
As far as why you have not studied about what Indian philosophers and scientists achieved is because our schools education system is heavily - and I cannot stress it enough - anglicized.
Anglicized here does not mean using English as a medium or to imply that world achievements must not be studied - but it means that what we achieved was never studied in any detail or taught to pupils.

The result is a non-Indic/Western world view of things wherein every innovation worth mentioning is done by the Western or Arabic civilization. This is major flaw in our education system.

Had you in fact studied the things about philosophers you would have known about Kautilyas achievements and his thoughts on public policy, governance, state mechanism. Or you would have studied Ashoka's justice system - his thoughts on social justice and society.

Heck, you would have known that democracy itself was in a cruder form experimented in India under a particular King, with the use of 'sabhas'. The Lok 'Sabha' and Rajya 'Sabha' is in fact a reference to these ideas of old, not simply the modern meaning of 'sabha' which means a 'gathering'.

Sadly you have studied neither in any detail amongst numerous others. Though you will undoubtedly have studied socrates.

This is precisely what needs to be rectified now so that future generations do not have to grow up believing that India in its ancient phase did not innovate.

 

[Indischer]

How many of you know about the Antikythera mechanism, the first mechanical computer to keep track of the movement of celestial bodies? Whose appearance happened again after 1800 years. Isolated advanced civilizations happened many times through out the evolution of human kind.

You never know.

But there's a huge difference between creating a complex geared system to predict astronomical movements and achieving powered flight.