India developing surface to air missile ( MR-SAM )

[heartwinlion]

Chinese aren't fools to enter into a conflict btw India and Pakistan and as far as chinese weapons are concerned there is a saying in western defence companies that Adobe photoshop is the largest manufacturer of weapons for China

bulls eyes hits the jackport

 

[shchinese]

when did the HQ-9 shoot down a flanker give me an example,posibilities are only like a mirage in a desert.
i can tell you how many times s-300 shot down planes.<the internet is full of s-300 greatness>
recently in the georgia war an old ukranian s-300 took out a russian blackjack from the air.
with the s-400 there is no beating or even comparison with the hq-9.

you are the only person here comparing S-400 with HQ-9. you come up with something that I do NOT claim, you attack what you come up with yourself, and then come to the conclusion that you are right. great, what a great technique for trolling.

yes, Russian weapons are all great. including the T-90/80/72 tanks which is famous for very high death tolls. do you want to share photos on those destroyed tanks? or maybe this T-62 captured by the PLA?

Russia T-62 captured by PLA, now in the national military museum in Beijing.

 

[satishkumarcsc]

Ok.....what was this thread about?....And congrats for derailing a thread...another waste of bandwidth.

 

[CrazyEagle9]

Ok.....what was this thread about?....And congrats for derailing a thread...another waste of bandwidth.

This thread is about development of Medium Range SAM by DRDO with partnership of Israel....It suppose to be 70KM range..

Partnership is better for speedy progress instead of DRDO alone.

 

[Moscow]

you are the only person here comparing S-400 with HQ-9. you come up with something that I do NOT claim, you attack what you come up with yourself, and then come to the conclusion that you are right. great, what a great technique for trolling.

yes, Russian weapons are all great. including the T-90/80/72 tanks which is famous for very high death tolls. do you want to share photos on those destroyed tanks? or maybe this T-62 captured by the PLA?

Russia T-62 captured by PLA, now in the national military museum in Beijing.

when did i compare s-400 with hq-9, please read the post carefully my friend i said no comparision with s-400 ,i was comparing the s-300 which the indians have and its a proven weapon .when you said you want to shoot down a flanker with the hq-9 i asked you how many times did you shoot down a flanker with that missile even in drills just let me know

i am not trolling you started the troll when you claimed the hq-9 will be transferred to pakistan to shoot down a flanker, the discussion was on developing of sam by india and you started about hq-9 and flanker war ,just check who is the troll. next you talk about russian tanks here why this is not the place for tank discussion.
dont be a troll start a new thread if you want to discuss chinese weapons vs the russian ones and i will give you all the answers you want.


thanks

 

[Bull]

Atleast India seems to be learning the earlier mistakes, its ready to share the bite now a days a away to go. We need to develop atleast 2 projects jointly to get the knowhow to do it all alone.

 

[shchinese]

when did i compare s-400 with hq-9, please read the post carefully my friend i said no comparision with s-400 ,i was comparing the s-300 which the indians have and its a proven weapon.

proven weapon? just like the proven T-72?

Proven T-72 from Russia.

when you said you want to shoot down a flanker with the hq-9 i asked you how many times did you shoot down a flanker with that missile even in drills just let me know

same question here: how many times your S-300/S-400 have shut down a flanker? let me know if you want.

show me some fairness and ask yourself the same question that you are asking me.

 

[shchinese]

Atleast India seems to be learning the earlier mistakes, its ready to share the bite now a days a away to go. We need to develop atleast 2 projects jointly to get the knowhow to do it all alone.

good to see this!

but the question is how about other mistakes which India have already made but still refuse to fix? I mean they are all Indian projects and really not my business, but when indian members are telling me how great their defense system/sector is, I have to ask - how you are going to conclude the LCA/Arjun crap?

that is - all Indians could just shut up, stop telling me how great their defense sector is, then I can finally stop mentioning the amazing projects like LCA/Arjun.

 

[shchinese]

I am still waiting for moscow to answer me the very simple question - how many Su-27s/Su-30s have been shut down by the S-300/S-400.

 

[Moscow]

proven weapon? just like the proven T-72?

Proven T-72 from Russia.



same question here: how many times your S-300/S-400 have shut down a flanker? let me know if you want.

show me some fairness and ask yourself the same question that you are asking me.

yes proven my friend s-300 most recently in the georgia war<google for refer>http://www.********.com/view?i=54f_1219375804&c=1link . if still you dont believe ask israel why were they so worried when news broke out last dec that russia had supplied iran with the s-300.
why is iran trying to get its hand on then still now<last week their minister visited moscow>

again i told you start a new thread for tank discussion this is not the place.


this is the last time i am replying on this topic i dont want to derail the thread
lets concentrate on the SAM capabilities of india

thnx

 

[shchinese]

yes proven my friend s-300 most recently in the georgia war<google for refer>********.com - Russian TU-22 bomber shot down . if still you dont believe ask israel why were they so worried when news broke out last dec that russia had supplied iran with the s-300.
why is iran trying to get its hand on then still now<last week their minister visited moscow>

again i told you start a new thread for tank discussion this is not the place.


this is the last time i am replying on this topic i dont want to derail the thread
lets concentrate on the SAM capabilities of india

thnx

this is also the last time that I am going to repeat my question: how many Su-27/Su-30s have been shut down by your s-300/s-400? your video above doesn't prove anything.

the following is what I found on wiki, I understand that wiki may not be the best source of information, and I also understand that you are suggesting s-300 has been fired in real conflict, so could you please just go to that wiki page and have your claims written down to just contribute to the community?

Although none of the S-300 versions have ever fired a missile in a real conflict, it is considered a very capable SAM system. In April 2005, NATO had a combat exercise in France and Germany called Trial Hammer 05 to practice SEAD missions.[7] Participating countries were pleased that the Slovak Air Force brought a S-300PMU along, providing a unique opportunity for NATO to get familiar with the system.

SA-10A Grumble - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[zombie:-)]

this is also the last time that I am going to repeat my question: how many Su-27/Su-30s have been shut down by your s-300/s-400? your video above doesn't prove anything.

the following is what I found on wiki, I understand that wiki may not be the best source of information, and I also understand that you are suggesting s-300 has been fired in real conflict, so could you please just go to that wiki page and have your claims written down to just contribute to the community?



SA-10A Grumble - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

THIS PROVES THAT YOU LACK LOGIC

RUSSIANS WONT SHOOT DOWN THEIR OWN SUs for gods sake stop posting crap

I REQUEST YOU I HAVE STARTED A SEPARATE THREAD FOR CHINESE AND INDIAN WEAPONS COMPARISON GO THERE AND WE WILL DISCUSS IT THERE NOT HERE

here it is
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence-military/22521-comparison-indegenious-chinese-products-russian-derived-indian-products.html

 

[Gabbar]

India & Israel Introducing MR-SAM

In February 2006, &#8220;Israel, India to Cooperate on $350M Long-Range Barak SAM Project&#8221; covered a joint Indian-Israeli development agreement to create a new medium shipborne air defense missile, based on the Barak system in service with both navies. In October 2006, &#8220;India to Buy Israeli &#8220;SPYDER&#8221; Mobile Air Defense System&#8221; covered India&#8217;s move to buy mobile, short-range surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems for its army, based on the Python and Derby missiles in service with its air force and naval aircraft.

MR-SAM is an Rs 10,000 crore (almost $2.5 billion) project to develop a medium range SAM for use with India&#8217;s land forces. Despite a development timeline measured in decades, India&#8217;s indigenous &#8220;Akash&#8221; program remains in the test stage, and has not even begun user trials. By leveraging a foreign partnership as it did with the PJ-10 BrahMos supersonic cruise missile, India hopes to break the logjam and enjoy a similar level of success.

With the approval of the MR-SAM joint venture, India is moving to address its critical air defense weaknesses and upgrade &#8220;protection of vital and strategic ground assets and area air defence.&#8221; That effort is not unopposed, but there are rumors that a contract has been signed&#8230;

&#8226;MR-SAM: The Program
&#8226;Updates & Key Events
&#8226;Additional Readings & Sources
MR-SAM: The Program


SA-3
The DRDO Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) will be the &#8216;prime developer&#8217; for the project which will have a Rs 2,300 crore (INR 23 billion, about $450 million) indigenous component. Israel Aerospace Industries will be the key partner, and will contribute most of the applicable technology, just as Russia did for the BrahMos by offering its SS-N-26 Oniks missile as the base platform. As of its approval by the Cabinet Committee on Security in July 2007, MR-SAM surpasses BrahMos, and may be the largest joint defense development project ever undertaken between India and any other country.

The 4-5 year project aims to provide India&#8217;s military with 9 advanced air defence squadrons, each with 2 MR-SAM firing units. Each unit, in turn, would consist of a command and control center, an acquisition radar, a guidance radar, and 3 launchers with eight missiles each. The total would therefore be 10 C2 centers, 18 acquisition radars, 18 guidance radars, and 54 launchers, armed with 432 ready-to-fire missiles.

India Defence reports that IAI and its Israeli partners have agreed to transfer all relevant technologies and manufacturing capabilities to India. Indian sources estimate a 4-year, $300 million System Design & Development phase to develop unique system elements, and produce an initial tranche of the land-based missiles.


SA-8
The Times of India adds that:

&#8220;The project is crucial because, as highlighted by TOI earlier, there are still &#8220;many gaping holes&#8221; in India&#8217;s radar network and the armed forces only have near-obsolete air defence units like Russian Pechora [DID: upgraded SA-3], OSA-AK [DID: SA-8B, scheduled for interim upgrades], and Igla [DID: SA-16 shoulder-fired] missile systems.

Sources said the MR-SAM project is actually an extension of the ongoing DRDO-Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) project, launched in January 2006 at a cost of $480 million, to develop a supersonic 60-km Barak-NG (new-generation) missile defence system for Navy.&#8221;

Barak is a supersonic, vertically-launched short range air defense system. It is currently in service with at least India, Israel, Singapore, and Venezuela, and possibly several other countries as well. India has bought over $300 million worth of these missiles as a substitute for the indigenous but long-delayed Trishul (&#8220;Trident&#8221 missile project, and Barak systems now equip many of the ships in India&#8217;s Navy. The missile&#8217;s fast response time, effectiveness against missile threats, and compact size are considerable assets, but they are currently offset somewhat by a range of only 10 km/ 6 miles or so. The Navy&#8217;s Barak-NG project aimed to give the missiles a much longer reach, with the intention of making it India&#8217;s primary naval SAM.


Barak Components
India Defence and the Israeli newspaper Ha&#8217;aretz also reported that MR-SAM would be an extension of work done on the Barak-NG deal, but that is not yet certain. The Indian Express quotes DRDO Chief M Natarajan as saying that: &#8220;It is still under discussion. We cannot talk more about it&#8230;&#8221; Most reports, however, place the desired capabilities at 70 km/ 42 mile range (though India Defence says 150 km/ 90 miles) effective range, with 360 degree coverage and the ability to engage multiple targets simultaneously.

June 2007 saw the formal signing of a memorandum of agreement between Indian defense research authorities and prime contractor Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI). A formal add-on development contract was expected by early 2008, but so far, vague reports of a government go-ahead in November 2008 are all that have surfaced.

Israel has risen to become one of India&#8217;s largest defense industry partners, and may be on its way to surpassing Russia as India&#8217;s largest partner.