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India demands that US drop case against diplomat

read my post again. I asked,

Where was the sense of justice of your hypocrite US state department then?

That was justice right there. He defended himself,
read my post again. I asked,

Where was the sense of justice of your hypocrite US state department then?

In the eyes of the U.S. State Department he defended himself killing 2 people. Even the Pakistanis admit the person had a gun on him.
Diplomacy is reciprocal, courtesies are provided to each other. In this case India provided a courtesy of closing a public road in front of the embassy so that your embassy staff could feel more secure, and now they removed that courtesy when the US provided the courtesy of fingering an Indian diplomat, as well as arresting the daughter of an Indian consular staff from her school for a crime she didn't commit.

Try to get sarcasm sir. The only one going overboard here is the US assuming the high moral ground of freeing a so-called slave. Read this to see what your diplomats have done: Diplomatic Abuse of Servants: Not Just for Indians | The Dissenter

I hoped you got my sarcasm as well. But if you Indians want to go overboard with such courtesy thats fine. As I said before lets see where this case goes.
 
Rape

According to court documents, a U.S. Department of State diplomat and her husband tricked an Ethiopian woman into accompanying them as their domestic servant to Japan, where they held her virtually as a prisoner in their home and forced her to work for them for less than $1 per hour and where the husband repeatedly raped the woman with his diplomat wife’s consent. A Virginia federal judge awarded the victim $3.3 million in damages on a default judgment against the couple. The diplomat retired from the State Department with full pension and then fled the country.

The victim, identified only as “Jane Doe,” told the court she was hired by the Howards in 2008 as a live-in housekeeper at the couple’s home in Yemen, where Linda Howard worked at the U.S. embassy. Doe says she agreed to move with the couple to Japan after Linda Howard was transferred to the embassy there and that she was promised wages of $300 per month, time off each week, health insurance and a safe place to live and work.

Once in Japan, Doe says, Russell Howard repeatedly raped her, forced her to perform oral sex and sexually assaulted her. Doe says Linda Howard was complicit in her husband’s sexual abuse, telling Doe that she should gratify her husband and make him happy. Doe, who speaks little English and no Japanese, says the Howards also used nonphysical force, such as isolation and threats of deportation, to coerce her into servitude.

Justice?

After five months in Japan, Doe says, she fled the Howards’ home in the middle of the night. She says that after she reported the abuse, the State Department removed Linda Howard from her overseas post and launched an investigation into the Howards.

Once back in Washington and while the so-called investigation took place, Howard, according to herLinkedIn profile, worked among other places as a recruiter and assessor for people seeking jobs with the State Department. She tells us on LinkedIn that she received a Superior Honor Award, with cash bonus, from State in June 2011, which would have been well after any investigation commenced. Her LinkedIn profile also references Cleared Connections, an employment site for government workers, suggesting she retained her security clearance from State.

Linda Howard acted in bad faith by telling the court that she was unaware of any upcoming overseas job-related travel and then two weeks later retiring and leaving the country, the magistrate judge said. She also refused to appear for a deposition as ordered by the court and refused to communicate with Doe’s attorneys to facilitate discovery as ordered by the court, Magistrate Judge Jones said.

Now, a question: if the allegations are true– and a Virginia court says they are– Mr. and Mrs. Howard committed felonies on federal property. Mr. Howard is an Australian citizen, so maybe it is a huge guess to wonder if they are outback there. Has the FBI been called in by State, as the FBI has jurisdiction over crimes on federal property.

Murder

Earlier this year in Kenya, an American diplomat who police say was speeding crossed the center line in his SUV and rammed into a full mini-bus, killing a father of three whose widow is six months pregnant. The embassy then rushed the American and his family out of Kenya the next day, leaving the crash victims with no financial assistance to pay for a funeral and for hospital bills for the eight or so others who were seriously injured.

“It is difficult for me to handle this matter because my kids need to go to school. They need everything, basic needs,” the widow said. “And we have no place to stay because we have to pay the rent. We have no money. … Even if my kids are sick I have no money to take them to hospital.”

The U.S. embassy commented “The embassy is fully cooperating with the Kenyan authorities as they investigate the accident and work to aid the victims.”

Abuse and Visa Fraud

Harold Countryman, along with his spouse Kimberly, was a U.S. diplomat assigned to Seoul, Korea. Before leaving the country, he and his wife hired a Cambodian woman to work for them in the U.S. Haroldfalsified the necessary U.S. visa application to get the Cambodian woman into the U.S., falsely claiming he would pay her minimum wage. Instead, once in the U.S., the Countrymans “Held her passport,” says Chuck Rosenberg, the U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia. “Her wages came out to roughly a dollar an hour.” The woman was berated and sometimes assaulted. She was not allowed to leave the Countrymans’ house. Luckily, a neighbor noticed something wrong and called the cops, who luckily took it all seriously. This story has a semi-happy ending of sorts: The couple pleaded guilty to visa fraud, and are paying the Cambodian woman $50,000 in restitution. Harold Countryman, the diplomat, only received probation, however.

Alleged Forced Abortions and Inter-Office Sex

Ms. Kerry Howard, the community-liaison officer at the U.S. Consulate in Naples, claims she was run out of her job with the State Department after complaining about the consul general’s alleged office trysts withsubordinates and hookers. One subordinate was allegedly forced to have an abortion.

Ms. Howard stated she had been bullied, harassed and forced to resign after she exposed U.S. Consul General Donald Moore’s alleged security-threatening shenanigans in the Naples, Italy, office. She explained that when she revealed allegations about her boss, State Department officials swept it under the rug, according to an Equal Employment Opportunity complaint she filed with the Department’s Office of Civil Rights. State tried to disappear the issue by transferring Moore out of the country, but now the FBI is allegedly involved.

Sexual Assault

Chuck Lisenbee, a former State Department Beirut security officer who was being probed for allegedlysexually assaulting local guards, is now a special agent in Washington for the Office of Diplomatic Vehicles, Enforcement and Outreach, according to a State Department phone directory. Agents were only given three days to investigate the allegations against him, according to a memo seen by the Post. It is alleged that Lisenbee first got into trouble when he tried to make out with a fellow (male) security officer in Baghdad. His depredations against local guards in Liberia were then discovered. Lisenbee started every lunch with prayer because “Jesus Christ, my lord and savior, is the most important thing in my life” (exact quote heard by this source on at least 50 occasions).

U.S. Embassy Prostitution

The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo has had its share of problems. In the early part of this decade, the embassy paid-for-dormitory for domestics (so they did not have to live with their diplomatic masters) was found full of women not connected with the embassy, some of whom were prostituting themselves on and out of U.S. government property. The public restroom just outside the dorm was a known quickie spot for night time taxi drivers looking for sex. Things were handled nice and quietly by State and the story stayed out of the news and out of the taxpayers’ attention.

Sexual Solicitation of a Minor

Former U.S. Ambassador to Belgium Howard Gutman was allowed to retire in July of this year. A State Department investigator believed Gutman solicited “sexual favors from both prostitutes and minor children.” Gutman and members of Clinton’s security detail were also accused of hired prostitutes.

Sex Tapes and Affairs

Brett McGurk — a former senior adviser to the ambassador to Iraq — was appointed the deputy assistant secretary for Iraq and Iran in August, according to the State Department Web site. He was President Obama’s nominee for ambassador to Iraq but withdrew after his extramarital affair with a Wall Street Journal reporter was exposed, alongside saucy emails sent from his official government account and an alleged sex tape. Apparently, investigators never interviewed McGurk because Clinton’s chief of staff, Cheryl Mills, intervened.

Economic Enslavement?

A bit further back, one Tokyo embassy U.S. diplomat identified here as Thurmond Borden, had domestic troubles. The story is that in 1993, 40 year-old Lucia Martel was working as a domestic in Manila. In March of that same year, Mr. Borden was visiting the Philippines on vacation with his Filipino wife, and the couple was looking for a woman. Mr. and Mrs. Borden offered Lucia a monthly wage of about Y30,000 (USD300). To comply with the Japanese immigration regulations, a written contract was signed that contained very different language. The contract stated her working conditions as six days/week, eight hours/day, a monthly salary of Y150,000 (USD1500), and an overtime pay of 125%. The contract papers were submitted both to the U.S. Embassy and to the Japanese Immigration Bureau.

Lucia started working at Borden’s residence October 16, 1993. Despite her contract, she was forced to work from six in the morning to ten in the evening, and was not allowed to rest even on Christmas and New Years according to reports.

On May 22, 1994, reports were that Lucia complained to Mrs. Borden and the latter confiscated Lucia’s original contract, return air-ticket and Alien Registration Certificate. This Certificate is very important for expatriates in Japan. It must be carried at all times and if caught without it, one may end up being taken into custody by the police. Lucia went to the Naka-ward municipal office to have a new card issued. The shocked office staff who heard her story contacted the police. A Japanese cop visited the Borden’s residence to take Lucia’s Registration Certificate back from Mrs. Borden. Mr. Borden, returning from his work, was said to have become enraged. He allegedly shouted, “Go back to the Philippines!” to Lucia. Lucia feared that she might be assaulted. She fled the residence taking none of her belongings except the clothes she was wearing.

Lucia eventually tried to sue the Borden’s, and organized protest marches outside the U.S. embassy. The State Department, however, claimed diplomatic immunity on Borden’s behalf and the Japanese legal system dropped the case. State Department records list Borden now as the head of the Consular Section in Jakarta where, among other tasks, he has responsibility for issuing maid visas to U.S. diplomats’ domestic help bound for the U.S.

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that's the low level of US diplomats..... the US diplomats are the biggest criminals on earth.
 
Yup. And both the U.S. and the U.N. consider human trafficking a "grave crime". Which means the Secretary-General will now have a say as to whether he accepts the former DC's status as a member of India's permanent U.N. mission.

I dont see how this is a case of human trafficking especially when the maid was brought into the country on a legal passport, reported to the government (US) and was given a contract as is the obligation for all immigrant employees under than visa category.

Secondly, based on the Vienna convention, it still would be illegal to detain a consular employee unless the case has been reviewed by the judge. As far as my understanding goes, no judge was consulted., unless

Please help clear my understanding...can an arrest only be made with a Judge's notice? (Clearly we've seen arrests being made in criminal cases that are made purely based on the officers POV)

PS: to add to some of the information people have received through postings, i have read that Ms. Ks lawyer has stated that the part of the sum that was contracted under minimum wage obligation by Ms.K was sent to the victims (the Maid) family in India in accordance with her wishes. If this is true, I do not see any reason why Ms.K should be held liable for violating labor laws or exploiting labor. Nevertheless, this is obviously yet to be proven as is the guilt for Ms. K

My personal thoughts.....
If this woman has exploited that maid, she has to pay. The US courts should bring her to justice. Enough is enough with this elitist attitude of our bureaucrats to take advantage of people, whether it be through corruption, red tapism or simple misuse of power.

However, the point remains that the dignity of the diplomat is akin to the dignity of the state. The US has to be mindful of their treatment if it expects similar favors to its own diplomats abroad. The US in the past has meted out embarassing treatment to even our ex-presidents who enjoy lifetime immunity without much to answer for. This is definitely something that pushes the limits and needs to be addressed in a diplomatic manner.

If the rolls were reversed & had it been a Pakistani Diplomat, all the Injins on PDF would be non stop praising the NYAG!

WTF are you on about with this "Injin" shit? Is this supposed to be some sort of an insult to Indians?

you really have to be stupid to be using a derogatory term for Native Americans for Indians from South Asia...doesnt even make sense!
 
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you are the man bro.

US is a country with no ethical values. It changes colors faster then anyone in this world.

US and Obama and Solomon should be ashamed of such blatant double standards.




How it is US lack the ethical values? US less likely violate human right compare to India or treatment of crime relate to women, India is a nation caste system is a norm in society, untouchable in India consider an outcast and subject to all kind of indignity deserve to the human being, India treatment of cow more human consider the treatment of the untouchable. India not the shining or beckon of the democratic world to spout ethical and morality in the context of uphold the right of a human being demand to be treat.

Raymond David case US followed Pakistan law and pay the victim family compensation upward to 2 millions US dollar, US government didn't disregard to Pakistan law by using military force to remove Raymond David from Pakistan and return Raymond David safely to the US without making sure the victim family were fully compensate for the lost of life.
 
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So then you do get the point, Dip Shit!

What I understand is...

That you dont understand the difference between Native Americans and Indians from South Asia...
That you cant spell...
That you are racist as shit and probably deserve a boot up ur ***...

If only people like you wouldnt hide behind a computer and spout your racism on the streets and in public...but we know all racists are cowards!

How it is US lack the ethical values? US less likely violate human right compare to India or treatment of crime relate to women, India is a nation caste system is a norm in society, untouchable in India consider an outcast and subject to all kind of indignity deserve to the human being, India treatment of cow more human consider the treatment of the untouchable. India not the shining or beckon of the democratic world to spout ethical and morality in the context of uphold the right of a human being demand to be treat.
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You do realize that all this uproar is for a Dalit woman (lower caste) right?

Do you think we would go on a diplomatic scrap with the US if we didnt care for all our citizens equally?
 
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I ******* dont care what pakistan did.

what happened to the land of free and those who swear to protect every innocent on earth. How did you and your state department agreed to pay millions for a murderer?

Where was the sense of justice of your hypocrite state department then?




US government agreed to pay the Raymond David victim family for the compensation of the lost of life because Pakistan law allow the defendant to pay with blood money for the crime Raymond David accused of committed.
 
What I understand is...

That you dont understand the difference between Native Americans and Indians from South Asia...
That you cant spell...
That you are racist as shit and probably deserve a boot up ur ***...

If only people like you wouldnt hide behind a computer and spout your racism on the streets and in public...but we know all racists are cowards!



You do realize that all this uproar is for a Dalit woman (lower caste) right?

Do you think we would go on a diplomatic scrap with the US if we didnt care for all our citizens equally?



Indian treatment of your own kind even worse, you cause an uproar because India have a wrong perception of being mistreat on the diplomacy front, nothing about uphold or protect the right of your lower caste. Case system ingrain in your culture for over thousand of yrs.
 
Indian treatment of your own kind even worse, you cause an uproar because India have a wrong perception of being mistreat on the diplomacy front, nothing about uphold or protect the right of your lower caste. Case system ingrain in your culture for over thousand of yrs.

So you're the judge and jury here is it?

If you dont have anything constructive to add, leave it be...
We know we are caste loving, women hating, culturally backward people....
Add anything else that you want after the dots...wont change the fact that the treatment of our diplomat was unjust (not taking into account the unjust treatment of her maid for which she should be brought to book if guilty)..
 
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Sorry Shitsipper...could help defecating on you openly on this forum...Old habits die hard!
Rest assured, my turds were probably less foul than yourself...enjoy the company of your peers...LOL!



So you're the judge and jury here is it?

If you dont have anything constructive to add, leave it be...
We know we are caste loving, women hating, culturally backward people....
Add anything else that you want after the dots...wont change the fact that the treatment of our diplomat was unjust (not taking into account the unjust treatment of her maid for which she should be brought to book if guilty)..



Take away your nationalistic bias lens, you notice every convict in the US received the same treatment be it a Senator, Congress or a regular Joe. They all get handcuff, booked, strip search and register into the prison system, India diplomat isn't above anyone in the US because of her status.
 
Take away your nationalistic bias lens, you notice every convict in the US received the same treatment be it a Senator, Congress or a regular Joe. They all get handcuff, booked, strip search and register into the prison system, India diplomat isn't above anyone in the US because of her status.

Ok...so let me ask you something.

Do you believe that the Geneva convention exists to protect diplomats? If so, unless a judge handed out an arrest warrant, or the crime was proven as "grave" by the book, she should have been provided the diplomatic niceties that we extend on our side as well.
Usually, cavity searches and strip searches are reserved for drug addicts and people who commit violent crimes. This woman was neither. What was the reason to put her through this?

The one thing i absolutely agree on is that no one should be above the law....and she needs to be booked as well, though with diplomats there are certain formalities that were not followed in this arrest.
 
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Ok...so let me ask you something.

Do you believe that the Geneva convention exists to protect diplomats? If so, unless a judge handed out an arrest warrant, or the crime was proven as "grave" by the book, she should have been provided the diplomatic niceties that we extend on our side as well.
Usually, cavity searches and strip searches are reserved for drug addicts and people who commit violent crimes. This woman was neither. What was the reason to put her through this?

The one thing i absolutely agree on is that no one should be above the law....and she needs to be booked as well, though with diplomats there are certain formalities that were not followed in this arrest.



Ok Mr. ChokesOnDick.....

Last reply to you...I can only shit on someone so much...afterall I have a heart...I dont want you to self combust out of humiliation...LOL!



I'm not a lawyer therefore I'm limited from providing a legal advice in regard to Geneva convention which ensure the protection to the diplomat working in foreign land in the case of legal trouble. My limitation understanding of India deputy consulate was charge with visa fraud, visa fraud is consider a felony and consider a grave crime by Geneva convention definition, therefore the accused of the crime is subjecting to the law of the hosted nation.
 
I'm not a lawyer therefore I'm limited from providing a legal advice in regard to Geneva convention which ensure the protection to the diplomat working in foreign land in the case of legal trouble. My limitation understanding of India deputy consulate was charge with visa fraud, visa fraud is consider a felony and consider a grave crime by Geneva convention definition, therefore the accused of the crime is subjecting to the law of the hosted nation.

I agree with that assessment, but that doesnt justify being put through ordeals that a common criminal faces (Cavity and Strip Searches), especially when the charges havent been proven and not following protocol such as informing the consul general and embassy

If proven, i personally hope she faces the heat...enough with our bureaucratic nonsense.
 
I agree with that assessment, but that doesnt justify being put through ordeals that a common criminal faces (Cavity and Strip Searches), especially when the charges havent been proven and not following protocol such as infor

If proven, i personally hope she faces the heat...enough with our bureaucratic nonsense.




India deputy consulate didn't go through a cavity search, only visual strip search.

India deputy consulate didn't go through a cavity search, only visual strip search.



India media provide misinformation to rouse up the population for the anti American sentiment.
 
India deputy consulate didn't go through a cavity search, only visual strip search.

All reports i have read speak otherwise. Where did you get this from?
The transcript of the DA's speech? Because the Deputy Council has claimed the former (cavity and strip search).

Either way, there is a lot that will come out in the next few days...Ill be keeping a close eye on this
 
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