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India close to buying Japan-made military aircraft in $1.65 billion deal

We got dorniers!!!

Dornier Do-228 isn't an amphibious aircraft. There's nothing it can do to rescue those who're stranded/endangered in high seas.

And given India's size and maritime interests, 2-3 aircraft stationed at any one base will definitely not be sufficient. They will be very handy if based in Andamans, Lakshadweep, Goa and Vizag.
 
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Even rafaels are not required if its gonna cost us 20 Billion...
Whats wrong in trying to save the money...
We are not a rich country and these Dollars are a really useful resource that india tries to waste on foreign stuff....Its disgusting and hurtful...For $1 billion , we can send a fcking Aircraft carrier to Mars lol...
All that i am trying to say is we are buying these for no reason but to showoff...

In longterm we gonna face issues...
We dont have to support everything done by our defence forces to show that we are patriotic...

Actually, sending aircraft carriers (or anything without scientific value) to mars would be a real example of showing off. But saving trained personnel or civilians' lives is not for sshowing off. It is part and parcel of naval operations. Anyway, I am done. If you simply close your eyes and ears and keep repeating that it is all for show, then there is no point in discussing. I don't think you are asking these questions with an open mind. Can you envision anything, any piece of information that will make you change your mind? If not, this is not a rel discussion, but a waste of time.

Velle people are doing timepass here :D
Time waste, more like. My mistake. I'm done.
 
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Even rafaels are not required if its gonna cost us 20 Billion...
Whats wrong in trying to save the money...
We are not a rich country and these Dollars are a really useful resource that india tries to waste on foreign stuff....Its disgusting and hurtful...For $1 billion , we can send a fcking Aircraft carrier to Mars lol...
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Umm...did u just say, "we can send a Aircraft carrier to Mars?"
 
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Where are you trying to rescue bro...a fcking antarctica?

Murphy's Law: If something can go wrong, it will go wrong. Is it wrong to be prepared for an exigency?
Would you say let an attack like 26/11 happen and then maybe we shall raise the NSG?
 
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lol...you are still roaming around here...
I will be back once you are out of here...
On a lighter note...some idiot reported me under the category of
Warning: Insulted Other Member/Nationality for the above comment

Lol...seriously whoever did that must be a joker lol...wtf...

Umm...did u just say, "we can send a Aircraft carrier to Mars?"
Yep...

Anyway i wanna take rest from this thread...
And i am still not convinced on this buy...
You guys seem to know better about the sea monsters that are going to invade us in future...
Good luck to those amphibious aircrafts....
 
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I think the OP forgot to highlight the main points as to why India might be going for such a huge investment. IMP they are!

assembling the aircraft in India, giving India access to Japanese military technology

“We want Japanese technology, we want Japanese capital investment into India.”

Also the China factor might be involved causing India to buy these as a sign of support for anti-Chinese elements. BTW Japanese people sure do make some fine products.....:D
 
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I think the OP forgot to highlight the main points as to why India might be going for such a huge investment. IMP they are!





Also the China factor might be involved causing India to buy these as a sign of support for anti-Chinese elements. BTW Japanese people sure do make some fine products.....:D
Totally agree with you bro...
Its a total waste of 15 pages that my indian friends are trying to convince...
 
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I think the OP forgot to highlight the main points as to why India might be going for such a huge investment. IMP they are!





Also the China factor might be involved causing India to buy these as a sign of support for anti-Chinese elements. BTW Japanese people sure do make some fine products.....:D

Add one more point : Strategic partnership with Japan.
 
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The relationship between India & Japan is a private matter for both the respective countries. India getting closer to Japan or Japan being closer to India should not be a concern to other countries. The sale of the aircraft should be seen as peaceful arming of the Indian Military. China should not be concerned as it's a big country and this news is too small for them to respond in any unexpected way. Some of the comments from Chinese members is surprising but expected.

Is there any will on the behalf of the Japanese people and Govt to lift the ban on exports? It would be great if we could buy some lethal Japanese gear. Some stuff for the Navy would be great.
 
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India is set to become the first country since World War Two to buy a military aircraft from Japan, helping Prime Minister Shinzo Abe end a ban on weapons exports that has kept his country’s defence contractors out of foreign markets.

The two countries are in broad agreement on a deal for the ShinMaywa Industries (7224.T) amphibious aircraft, which could amount to as much as $1.65 billion, Indian officials said on Tuesday.

However, several details need to be worked out and negotiations will resume in March on joint production of the plane in India and other issues.

New Delhi is likely to buy at least 15 of the planes, which are priced at about $110 million each, the Officials said.

“Its a strategic imperative for both sides, and it has been cleared at the highest levels of the two governments,” said an Indian military source.

For the moment, a stripped-down civilian version of the US-2i search and rescue plane is being offered to India, to get around Japan’s self-imposed ban on arms exports. A friend or foe identification system will be removed from the aircraft, another defence official said.

The two countries are discussing assembling the aircraft in India, giving India access to Japanese military technology, Indian Prime Minister Mannmohan Singh has said.

The plane has a range of over 4,500 km (2,800 miles), which will give it reach far into Southeast Asia from the base where the aircraft are likely to be located, in the Andaman and Nicobar island chain that is near the western tip of Indonesia.

The two governments have set up a joint working group that will meet in March to consider plans to either set up a plant in India to assemble it under licence by an Indian state manufacturer.

The plan is to deliver two aircraft and then assemble the rest of the planes with an Indian partner, the military source said.

The deal lays the ground for a broader Japanese thrust into India, the world’s biggest arms market dominated for long by Russia but also now buying hardware from Israel and the United States.

“There is a whole amount of defence-related cooperation, between India and Japan,” said Gautam Bambawalle, an Indian foreign ministry official responsible for North Asia.

“We want Japanese technology, we want Japanese capital investment into India.”

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Good work, keep buying
 
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India close to buying Japan-made military aircraft in $1.65 billion deal
All India | Reuters | Updated: January 28, 2014 21:39 IST
Japan_Amphibious_Aircraft_Military_360.jpg

ShinMaywa Industries' amphibious aircraft US-2.

New Delhi: India is set to become the first country since World War Two to buy a military aircraft from Japan, helping Prime Minister Shinzo Abe end a ban on weapons exports that has kept his country's defence contractors out of foreign markets.

The two countries are in broad agreement on a deal for the ShinMaywa Industries amphibious aircraft, which could amount to as much as $1.65 billion, Indian officials said on Tuesday.

However, several details need to be worked out and negotiations will resume in March on joint production of the plane in India and other issues.

New Delhi is likely to buy at least 15 of the planes, which are priced at about $110 million each, the Officials said.

"Its a strategic imperative for both sides, and it has been cleared at the highest levels of the two governments," said an Indian military source.

For the moment, a stripped-down civilian version of the US-2i search and rescue plane is being offered to India, to get around Japan's self-imposed ban on arms exports. A friend or foe identification system will be removed from the aircraft, another defence official said.

The two countries are discussing assembling the aircraft in India, giving India access to Japanese military technology, Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh has said.

The plane has a range of over 4,500 km (2,800 miles), which will give it reach far into Southeast Asia from the base where the aircraft are likely to be located, in the Andaman and Nicobar island chain that is near the western tip of Indonesia.

The two governments have set up a joint working group that will meet in March to consider plans to either set up a plant in India to assemble it under licence by an Indian state manufacturer.

The plan is to deliver two aircraft and then assemble the rest of the planes with an Indian partner, the military source said.

The deal lays the ground for a broader Japanese thrust into India, the world's biggest arms market dominated for long by Russia but also now buying hardware from Israel and the United States.

"There is a whole amount of defence-related cooperation, between India and Japan," said Gautam Bambawalle, an Indian foreign ministry official responsible for North Asia.

"We want Japanese technology, we want Japanese capital investment into India."

WEEKEND TRIP


India's navy is also interested in Japanese patrol vessels and electronic warfare equipment as Tokyo moves further along in easing its ban on military exports, the Indian officials said.

Abe discussed the aircraft deal with Singh during a trip to New Delhi last weekend as ties rapidly warm between the two nations at a time when both are embroiled in territorial disputes with China.

"Our Joint Working Group on US-2 amphibian aircraft has met to explore the modalities of cooperation on its use and co-production in India. More broadly, we are working towards increasing our cooperation in the area of advanced technologies," Singh said.

Abe is seeking a more assertive military and national security posture for Japan, whose post-war constitution, written by U.S.-led occupation forces, renounces war and a standing army.

Abe's government vows to review Japan's ban on weapons exports, a move that could reinvigorate struggling defence contractors like Mitsubishi Heavy Industries Ltd and Kawasaki Heavy Industries Ltd.

Mitsubishi Heavy is in advanced talks to supply parts for the F-35 stealth fighter to Britain's BAE Systems, in what would be the first involvement of a Japanese manufacturer in a global weapons programme, according to people with knowledge of the discussions.

India is a top market for defence hardware, buying some $12.7 billion in arms during 2007-2011, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI), everything from basic military goods to an aircraft carrier.

New Delhi been trying to build up a domestic manufacturing industry and has leaned on foreign suppliers to consider transfer of technology or joint production as a condition for placing orders.

© Thomson Reuters 2014
 
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noob question - why japan has self imposed ban on arms export.. ??
 
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