India Claiming 106Km Border with Afghanistan.

[INDIC]

By your pathetic logic Nawab Mohammad Mahabat Khanji III of Junagadh chose to accede to Pakistan.............By your pathetic logic Nizam, Osman Ali Khan of Hyderabad State also chose of accede to Pakistan. It was the part of Pakistan which India took by naked aggression. If might is right is the rule of engagement between the both countries....than Azad Kashmir and Gilgit Baltistan is part of Pakistan without any question. You can have dreams as much as you like but the fact is that either you were wrong at that time while capturing Junagadh and Hyderabad or you are wrong about your claim on Kashmir.

Nawab of Junagarh fled to Pakistan. The highest authority Shah Nawaz Bhutto invited India and Junagarh joined India by referendum.

Nizam of Hyderabad signed "document of surrender" just like Khan of Kalat. Nizam of Hyderabad never joined Pakistan.

But in case of Kashmir, Maharaja never fled Jammu and Kashmir , nor he signed any surrender document for the areas Pakistan occupied, nor any referendum there

 

[HRK]

Its ceasefire line because Pakistan is capturing the part of Jammu and Kashmir which we inherited during accession. Pakistan's control is not valid because those area neither joined by accession nor by treaty of surrender by Maharaja.

But why is Pakistan keeping this ceasefire line higly militarized.

Dear the just read the cease fire agreement its paragraph E and F which states:

E- Points which have been 'shown as inclusive to one party may be occupied by that party, but the troops of the other party shall remain at a distance of 500 yards.

F- Both sides shall be free to adjust their defensive positions behind the cease-fire line as determined in paragraphs A through E, inclusive, subject to no wire or mines being used when new bunkers and defences are constructed


It will be interesting to read Part II Truce Agreement section B sub clause 2 of Resolution of UN commission for India and Pakistan 1948 with the above mention clauses of cease fire agreement......

2- Pending the acceptance of the conditions for a final settlement of the situation in the State of Jammu and Kashmir, the Indian Government will maintain within the lines existing at the moment of cease-fire the minimum strength of its forces which in agreement with the Commission are considered necessary to assist local authorities in the observance of law and order. The Commission will have observers stationed where it deems necessary


https://www.mtholyoke.edu/acad/intrel/uncom1.htm

 

[INDIC]

There is one more line AND China did NOT sign neither agreed to what was initiated in shimla conference.

this prick the ballon of Indian lies about their claim that China agreed to include Aksai Chin in India.


so the end of Indian wet dream of claiming border with Afghanistan

Government of Tibet had authority over the matter, it was a de-facto independent state. It was only 1959 when Tibet lost that authority. China left the conference with the dispute with Tibetan delegation, not the British India.

 

[ejaz007]

How is Kashmir disputed, on what basis Pakistan claim it, any document or referendum. Pakistan still trying to persuadd india to accept as disputed territory.

That is why Kashmir is disputed:

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How is Kashmir disputed, on what basis Pakistan claim it, any document or referendum. Pakistan still trying to persuadd india to accept as disputed territory.

That is why Kashmir is disputed:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/63/IMG/NR004763.pdf?OpenElement

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/64/IMG/NR004764.pdf?OpenElement

How is Kashmir disputed, on what basis Pakistan claim it, any document or referendum. Pakistan still trying to persuadd india to accept as disputed territory.

That is why Kashmir is disputed:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/63/IMG/NR004763.pdf?OpenElement

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/64/IMG/NR004764.pdf?OpenElement

 

[Wright]

I hope India does not heed anything the UN says, it has become nothing more than a pan-muslim soap box.

 

[ejaz007]

Nawab of Junagarh fled to Pakistan. The highest authority Shah Nawaz Bhutto invited India and Junagarh joined India by referendum.

Nizam of Hyderabad signed "document of surrender" just like Khan of Kalat. Nizam of Hyderabad never joined Pakistan.

But in case of Kashmir, Maharaja never fled Jammu and Kashmir , nor he signed any surrender document for the areas Pakistan occupied, nor any referendum there

Wrong again. Nizam of Hyderabad decided to remain independent. Hyderabad even had an observer status in UN till 1948. India attacked and occupied Hyderabad by force on September 13, 1948.

 

[Rank]

In future .... especially if you can see relation btw US/India....

India will claim... 4000 km border with USA

 

[Spring Onion]

I think people have serious understanding issue in getting a simple fact about official Indian position on Kashmir. The same way Kashmir issues are raised by Pakistanis saying they can talk about it as Kashmir belongs to Pakistan but when at the same time we say entire Kashmir as ours, they get their ba**s jumped up to their throat.

Indian also calimed that Mughals were Indians.
thats does not mean they were Indians.

as far as the ballsls are concerned the fact is that Indian ballsss are touching ground and getting self-inflicted injuries.

just like in this case as by painting maps unlitetrally does not turn it into reality

Government of Tibet had authority over the matter, it was a de-facto independent state. It was only 1959 when Tibet lost that authority. China left the conference with the dispute with Tibetan delegation, not the British India.

FYI the aksai chin was already accepted as Chinese part by the brits and also India followed the same in official maps till 50s when Nehru just to save his ballsss uniletrally draw new maps.
and one more thing about shimla conference there was NO treaty at all.

it was just the initiation of the idea and initiation of any idea does NOT account for an international law or agreement that too which is NOT signed

 

[INDIC]

Wrong again. Nizam of Hyderabad decided to remain independent. Hyderabad even had an observer status in UN till 1948. India attacked and occupied Hyderabad by force on September 13, 1948.

Even Pakistan conquered Kalat in the same way

That is why Kashmir is disputed:

ODS HOME PAGE

ODS HOME PAGE



That is why Kashmir is disputed:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/63/IMG/NR004763.pdf?OpenElement

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/64/IMG/NR004764.pdf?OpenElement



That is why Kashmir is disputed:

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/63/IMG/NR004763.pdf?OpenElement

http://daccess-dds-ny.un.org/doc/RESOLUTION/GEN/NR0/047/64/IMG/NR004764.pdf?OpenElement

Its not opening.

 

[INDIC]

Indian also calimed that Mughals were Indians.
thats does not mean they were Indians.

as far as the ballsls are concerned the fact is that Indian ballsss are touching ground and getting self-inflicted injuries.

just like in this case as by painting maps unlitetrally does not turn it into reality



FYI the aksai chin was already accepted as Chinese part by the brits and also India followed the same in official maps till 50s when Nehru just to save his ballsss uniletrally draw new maps.
and one more thing about shimla conference there was NO treaty at all.

it was just the initiation of the idea and initiation of any idea does NOT account for an international law or agreement that too which is NOT signed

British initially not accepted it, later on accepted it and we inherited Aksai Chin as the part of India.

By the way, if Mughals were not Indians then who was Jodhabai and her descendents.

 

[Devil Soul]

8. None of the threats to national security can be effectively countered unless we embrace science and technology and impart instruction in science and technology beginning at the school level. There are four physical domains in our world – land, sea, air and space. We have a land border of a length of about 15,000 kms with Pakistan, Nepal, Bhutan, China, Bangladesh and Myanmar, and even a small length of 106 kms with Afghanistan. We patrol these borders using a variety of measures – from sophisticated radars to camel-mounted border guards. On the Indian-Bhutan border, there are only two land custom stations at Jaigaon and Hatisar. However, a large volume of goods do not move through these stations and do not bear the endorsement of the Customs authorities. There are densely populated villages on either side of the India-Nepal and the India-Bhutan borders. Because only border guarding forces are in place, and hardly any technology is employed, it is widely acknowledged that the borders are porous. As I speak to you, there are 191 battalions of the BSF, ITBP, SSB and Assam Rifles on our borders, but little technology.

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Is it only me who hasn't understood this "yet" ?

Hazaaron khwahishen aisi ke har khwahish pe dam nikle
Bohat niklay mere armaan, lekin phir bhi kam nikle

 

[Spring Onion]

British initially not accepted it, later on accepted it and we inherited Aksai Chin as the part of India.

Lame face-saving by you the Britishers accepted it as part of China and tibet and shimla conference has NOTHING to do with the aksai chin

By the way, if Mughals were not Indians then who was Jodhabai and her descendents.

Chudabhai discussion had been concluded with a note that Mughals were NOT Indians. period

You all call yourself Arabs and descendants of Ghaznavi, Mughals etc. stating you ruled us for 1000 years.

Identity crisis ?

One word MUSLIMS invaded Subcontinent and ruled over you for 1000 years.

thats what we claim anyway thats is another discussion

 

[rockstarIN]

Have you read your own constitution? Article 370 is specially for kashmir and not for all provinces in India. You have not answered my question and have avoided it.

Here is article 370:

Article 370 of the Indian Constitution
(1) Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir.
Notwithstanding anything in this Constitution,-

(a) the provisions of article 238 shall not apply in relation to the State of Jammu and Kashmir;

(b) the power of Parliament to make laws for the said State shall be limited to--
(i) those matters in the Union List and the Concurrent List which, in consultation with the Government of the State, are declared by the President to correspond to matters specified in the Instrument of Accession governing the accession of the State to the Dominion of India as the matters with respect to which the Dominion Legislature may make laws for that State; and
(ii)such other matters in the said Lists as, with the concurrence of the Government of the State, the President may by order specify.
Explanation.- For the purposes of this article, the Government of the State means the person for the time being recognised by the President as the Maharaja of Jammu and Kashmir acting on the advice of the Council of Ministers for the time being in office under the Maharaja's Proclamation dated the fifth day of March, 1948;

(c) the provisions of article 1 and of this article shall apply in relation to that State;

(d) such of the other provisions of this Constitution shall apply in relation to that State subject to such exceptions and modifications as the President may by order specify :
Provided that no such order which relates to the matters specified in the Instrument of Accession of the State referred to in paragraph (i) of sub-clause
(b) shall be issued except in consultation with the Government of the State :
Provided further that no such order which relates to matters other than those referred to in the last preceding proviso shall be issued except with the concurrence of that Government.

(2) If the concurrence of the Government of the State referred to in paragraph (ii) of sub-clause (b) of clause (1) or in the second proviso to sub-clause (d) of that clause be given before the Constituent Assembly for the purpose of framing the Constitution of the State is convened, it shall be placed before such Assembly for such decision as it may take thereon.

(3) Not withstanding anything in the foregoing provisions of this article, the President may, by public notification, declare that this article shall cease to be operative or shall be operative only with such exceptions and modifications and from such date as he may specify :
Provided that the recommendation of the Constituent Assembly of the State referred to in clause (2) shall be necessary before the President issues such a notification.

Read my reply again, J&K is a state of India and the exception on this is 370

Which is implied in the first para.

"rticle 370 of the Indian Constitution
(1) Temporary provisions with respect to the State of Jammu and Kashmir. "

 

[ejaz007]

Even Pakistan conquered Kalat in the same way



Its not opening.

Not correct. Kalat was neither disputed nor a observer at the UN. Kalat ascceded to Pakistan on March 27, 1948.

The links are working fine. Perhaps you do not have the courage to open them.

 

[jha]

We have outsourced that work to Pakistan

They are not doing their job as per the contract. They have missed several SLAs.
Will kick them out of contract in next bidding...