India cannot rely on US to make Pakistan act, say Tharoor and Sibal

[jeypore]

Many intellectuals feel that India cannot be too dependent on the United States to make Pakistan take action against the terrorists in
that country.

Shashi Tharoor, the former Under Secretary in the United Nations, on Thursday stated that ultimately India would have to attend to its problems on its own. He said: " No one will do the ultimate job for India".

However Tharoor said that United States, which used the ISI after 1979 when the Soviets occupied Afghanistan , can reach out to the Pakistan Military, as it is has pumped in 11 billion dollars in the last seven years into that country. And, the US is planning to invest in Pakistan millions of dollars more for fighting terrorism.

"This money is all the more crucial for Pakistani establishment at this crunch time of recession. The US can ask Pakistan to pay back by stopping orchestrating terrorism in India," Tharoor said.

Tharoor, however, said that military strikes against Pakistan were not an option.

Former foreign secretary Kanwal Sibal has also criticized the government for what he said "depending too much on the US government to pressurize Pakistan after 26/11 Mumbai carnage".

Sibal said: "Our over-reliance on United States is not the right approach." The US establishment is interested is in crisis management. It does not want Mumbai attacks to result in breakdown of dialogue or military action.

That was the reason why a host of US 'firefighters' like the Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and Senator John Kerry were flown to New Delhi and Islamabad to douse the crisis between the two nuclear powered neighbors.

Sibal pointed out that the United States had greater influence over in Pakistan than we do and they want to de-escalate things. "If we expect them to fight our battle, it would be wishful thinking," Sibal said.

India cannot rely on US to make Pakistan act, say Tharoor and Sibal- Politics/Nation-News-The Economic Times

 

[Flintlock]

The problem however, is that there is no way to hold Pakistan accountable. How do we know that the US Dollars are not going straight into the hands of terrorists?

 

[IceCold]

The problem however, is that there is no way to hold Pakistan accountable. How do we know that the US Dollars are not going straight into the hands of terrorists?

Only of course if you consider the whole Pakistani Nation as terrorists. Otherwise just a wishful thinking on your part.

but in any case, India is in no position to do anything about it other then ofcourse rant.

 

[ajpirzada]

well actually india can never make pak act. we have learned some serious leasons in our last 7 years of alliance with US. doesnt matter how much u fu** urself up while tryin to help them, ull always be asked to do more. we lost more ppl including soldiers than anyone else, our alliance with US screwed up the whole security situation within pak thus leadin to a fall in FDI, we lost 34.5bn dollars but still we have to listen to US about the 10bn dollar which they gave us, we experianced most suicide attacks during 2008 but still no one appreciated.
now in case of this mumbai attack. pakistan baned JuD, arrested its ppl but still we have been asked to do more. we took the first step hopin india will cooperate and will provide concrete evidence regarding the involvment of JuD and its leaders but it never did. without evidence pak cannot take any more steps and also it will become hard for the gov to keep ppl in their custody for longer time. we hoped that a joint investigation will be carried out but congress said no to this proposal. despite some gud steps taken by pak, india kept on blaming pak for not doin enough. if india really wanted to cooperate things would have been different. now pak has stopped listenin to india and is doin wat it wants to do. and if india wants a war then let it happen. none of the pakistani is scared of a war wiht india and is willing to fight alongside pak army. bring on ur strikes and do send ur commandos inside pak. we ll be waitin for them. guess u saw wat happened when two of ur planes were being sent for this purpose.

 

[Flintlock]

Only of course if you consider the whole Pakistani Nation as terrorists. Otherwise just a wishful thinking on your part.

but in any case, India is in no position to do anything about it other then ofcourse rant.

Where do you think Pakistani agencies get the money to fund terrorists? Its government money.

 

[koolio]

Where do you think Pakistani agencies get the money to fund terrorists? Its government money.

Where does your Indian agencies get the money to fund the terrorists that kill our soldiers and civilians from Afghanistan and Baluchistan and who funded the Hindu fanatics that have killed scores of Pakistanis on Samjhota Express?

 

[IceCold]

Where do you think Pakistani agencies get the money to fund terrorists? Its government money.

Yeah and what proof do you have that pakistani agencies are supporting the terrorism when even the FBI cleared ISI from any involvement into the Mumbai attacks.

 

[Vinod2070]

This is obvious. India made a mistake in 1996-98 by removing her covert capabilities. So many assets that had been created in decades were lost. Many died a horrible death.

Damn that idiot Gujaral. Of course this gesture was never reciprocated by Pakistan and ISI increased her reach in India.

We need to again build a strong covert capability to make the likes of LET pay dearly. People like Saeed should cower for their life before sending terrorists to India.

 

[Flintlock]

Yeah and what proof do you have that pakistani agencies are supporting the terrorism when even the FBI cleared ISI from any involvement into the Mumbai attacks.

You seem to be selectively believing statements by the FBI.

How convenient for you, that the FBI is wrong about Ajmal being a Pakistani, and right about the ISI not being involved.

What proof do I have? Oh I dunno...maybe the "mere opinions" of a whole bunch of journalists, authors and experts in geopolitical issues?

 

[Prodigy17]

Where do you think Pakistani agencies get the money to fund terrorists? Its government money.

And RAW gets its funding for sponsoring terrorist activities in Pakistan from Somalia??????? No, then is it Indian government????? I guess, that makes India a terrorist state then, does it?????????? frothy argument indeed.....

 

[Prodigy17]

This is obvious. India made a mistake in 1996-98 by removing her covert capabilities. So many assets that had been created in decades were lost. Many died a horrible death.

Damn that idiot Gujaral. Of course this gesture was never reciprocated by Pakistan and ISI increased her reach in India.

We need to again build a strong covert capability to make the likes of LET pay dearly. People like Saeed should cower for their life before sending terrorists to India.

Pakistan made a big mistake too by compromising Khalistan movement.... well everyone has his share of making mistake.......
I also recommend that if ISI has to bear the brunt of spurious allegations, then might as well go for a covert war and teach the perpetrators of terror in Pakistan a lesson so that those timids should kneel and ask for pardon. Plus, send some guys to wipe out RSS leadership for issuing cowardly threats.

 

[Awesome]

Oh man I'm really sick of all this dramay baazi by India. I mean let the anti-terrorism work go on in peace. No, then come fight. Two steps forward, one step back policy is really tiring.

 

[Flintlock]

Oh man I'm really sick of all this dramay baazi by India. I mean let the anti-terrorism work go on in peace. No, then come fight. Two steps forward, one step back policy is really tiring.

All dramabaazi will be over if Pakistan government cooperates and dismantles the terrorist infrastructure.

 

[roopesh]

Guys,

This money transacation is a big politics. Forget about Pakistan politicians...Can India track the money flow that comes under one central minister. Most likely the answer is NO. Does anyone really know the percentage of curruption in any department?

As I assume samething goes with Pak. Pak is a country based on military and it distributes money according to its needs and it gives some fake figures to outside. Most military systems on this earth wont disclose their papers to outside including India.

Funding terrors is a political agenda. Nothing to do with tracking the money

 

[roopesh]

Oh man I'm really sick of all this dramay baazi by India. I mean let the anti-terrorism work go on in peace. No, then come fight. Two steps forward, one step back policy is really tiring.

Even i thought something going to happen atleast frm any side...its nothing..India deputed old person Pranab Mukherjee to deal and irritate pak as much he wants to with our war. Congress to take the elections in next may; befor that they have to make sure Hindus are happy with anti pakistan agenda and muslims happy that India doesnt attack muslims like USA. Both kush and voting logic.

I dont know Zardaris political agenda. Seems he is loosing; Time for him to stabilize his position (make money too) using ppl sentiments ...not sure what he is trying to do...

US folks are jobless as obama kicking everyone out. They will bring new policy..before then these ppl are trying to see some betwn pak-india....

I think its just like this till LET again comes back

All wat happened is Inida military folks going to get new radar bla bla devices in next budget nad all their demands would be fullfilled. Ofcourse pakistan forums (this one) got global users....