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India begins work on 2nd nuclear submarine

This kind of confusion is expected with poor quality journalism and, more importantly, deeply secret projects like this where so little info is realised. Confusion should be expected- in fact it's a good thing; keeps people guessing!!
 
INS Arihant's only available pic during its commissioning:

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U r talking about 2nd, there were reports of even the hull of 3rd sub ready also and that too in the last quater of 2010.

Hey sparks please clear these issues :
1. According to previous reports, hulls of 2nd and 3rd sub were ready (by LnT) but according to this article the work on hull has just started which is odd and is obvious waste of time as they could have built the hull of atleast 2nd sub while working on the first one.

2. The reactor has been fabricated with the help of Russia according to this article which is just opposite to how the work on a submarine progresses, i mean first you have to at-least design the hull and body.

3. According to reports of accident which happened a couple months back, the work on 2nd sub already started and was kept secret but according to this article keel was just laid.

4.
What does the writer mean by this ? !st sub itself is undergoing sea trials at the moment. I hope he is talking about all the 3 subs ready for sea trials by 2015.

There are many mistakes in the news. First submarine launched in 2009 they surely did not wait for two years to start work for another submarine.
 
this will add good deterrence for the future in case of conflict i believe India will have at least 8 nuke subs going into the next decade being the subs of the Arihant class and the Arihant follow on class
 
I think there should be enough SSBNs built so that atleast 60% of our nukes can be put in them.
REGARDS....
 
All I see on this forum is India and China making XYZ lol
 
The project, launched just 24 months after the first nuclear submarine INS Arihant was commissioned

Is Arihant commissioned two years ago? I thought it was launched without a nuclear reactor two years ago. It should still be going through sea trials as of now. Isn't it? Why is this reporter not completely honest or totally incompetent in reporting the fact.

In any case, I believe that India is learning from the mistakes of Arihant and incorporate in the following on sub. Since this is India's first sub, I do not believe its wise to go into series production. It probably will take India at least 10 more years to go into series production.
 
Is Arihant commissioned two years ago? I thought it was launched without a nuclear reactor two years ago. It should still be going through sea trials as of now. Isn't it? Why is this reporter not completely honest or totally incompetent in reporting the fact.

In any case, I believe that India is learning from the mistakes of Arihant and incorporate in the following on sub. Since this is India's first sub, I do not believe its wise to go into series production. It probably will take India at least 10 more years to go into series production.

yes its lunched without the nuclear reactor before two years, now only they again cut/open the hull and insert the nuclear reactor then connect it, an closed it now. lol...................lol
 
Is Arihant commissioned two years ago? I thought it was launched without a nuclear reactor two years ago. It should still be going through sea trials as of now. Isn't it? Why is this reporter not completely honest or totally incompetent in reporting the fact.

In any case, I believe that India is learning from the mistakes of Arihant and incorporate in the following on sub. Since this is India's first sub, I do not believe its wise to go into series production. It probably will take India at least 10 more years to go into series production.
The secret undersea weapon


Located up the winding shipping channel in Visakhapatnam harbour is a secret, completely enclosed facility known only as the Shipbuilding Centre (SBC).

Inside this dry dock, nearly 50m below ground level, is a cylindrical black shape, which is as tall as a two-storey building and at 104 m in length, is longer than the Qutub Minar lying on its side.

Technicians working on it confess to a surge of national pride: India’s first nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarine or SSBN is arguably its greatest engineering project.

For over a quarter of a century, the Advanced Technology Vessel (ATV), smaller than the USS Alabama from Crimson Tide, has been among the most highly-classified government programmes, if not the most delayed.

Officials still refuse to confirm the existence of the project or the sea-based ballistic missile. A decade after India came out of the nuclear closet in the sands of Pokhran, it has moved some tantalising steps closer to realising the third and possibly the toughest of the three legs of the triad enunciated in its nuclear doctrine: a sea-based deterrent or a secure underwater platform for launching nuclear weapons.

“Things are developing as per schedule,” Defence Minister A.K. Antony recently said of ATV. Early last month, Chief of the Naval Staff Admiral Sureesh Mehta was the first government official to not only confirm its existence but also lay down a timeframe: “It is a DRDO project and a technology demonstrator. It is somewhere near completion and will be in the water in two years.”

The admiral had reason to feel confident about the project. Just last month, an 80MW nuclear reactor, smaller than a bus, was pushed into the hull of the submarine and successfully integrated—a milestone in the project approved by the then prime minister Indira Gandhi in 1970.

By April 2009, the submarine will be launched and will begin sea trials before it is inducted into the navy. The goal is to field a fleet of three SSBNs by 2015, one in reserve and two on patrol, each carrying 12 nucleartipped ballistic missiles (Artist’s impression of India’s nuclear-propelled ballistic missile submarine) .

Possibly the last “gift” to India from the now-extinct Soviet Union, it was designed with Russian assistance in the late ’80s. Based on an entirely new design, the 6,000 tonne submarine (not the elderly Charlie class N-sub as thought earlier) will make India the world’s sixth nation to operate a “boomer”.

Part of the acceleration in the programme has to do with the rapid buildup of Chinese nuclear forces. China operates 10 nuclear submarines, and in the past year, has fielded as many as three new Jin-class SSBNs, each carrying 12 submarine-launched ballistic missiles (SLBM). “Given the growing military asymmetry with China, India’s need for a reliable nuclear deterrent that can survive a first strike has never been greater,” says strategic expert Brahma Chellaney.


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ATV is in line with India’s nuclear doctrine enunciated in 1999, which calls for its nuclear forces to be effective, enduring, diverse, flexible and responsive to the requirements in accordance with the concept of credible minimum deterrence. The doctrine calls for high survivability against surprise attacks and for a rapid punitive response.
A nuclear submarine that can remain submerged almost indefinitely and cannot be detected underwater, therefore, meets all these criteria and offers an almost invulnerable launch platform for nuclear weapons.

For a country like India with a no-first use policy, it is vital because it prevents a potential adversary from launching a crippling first strike that can knock out all nuclear weapons (see box). It also allows India to inflict considerable damage to the aggressor.

“One submarine carries at least 12 missiles with Multiple Independently Targetable Reentry Vehicles, which could mean as many as 96 warheads. When such a submarine goes out to the sea, that many missiles are removed from our own territory. The enemy’s targeting of that many sites gets neutralised,” says Rear Admiral (retired) Raja Menon.

ATV, with its suitably muted acronym, was a euphemism for a longdelayed project. Shrouded in obsessive secrecy for decades, it has been under the direct supervision of the prime minister, who also chairs ATV’s apex committee.

The report is from Jan 2008 fyi.
 
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