India beats China to top trading spot with Kenya

[Paan Singh]

Again,

Chinese exports in 2001 were barely $267 billion dollars. India's this year is expected to cross $300 billion dollars.

Chinese foreign reserves in 2001 were $212 billion dollars. India's today are $320 billion dollars.

So basically China is barely 9 years ahead of us. We'll overcome the difference after 2020, when Chinese population starts to age while our working age population keeps growing. You'll see.

until we dont face anymore scams and corrupt govt..we can do it earlier

 

[Obambam]

As I said earlier, the facts are inscrutable.
You may put as much spin on it as you like.

Facts? what facts? I don't think the community are completely sold by what you have said other than the fact that you're a hypocrite, lacking credibility and skills to debate in which case you make up your losses by attacking ones nationality and making distasteful personal remarks.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Again,

Chinese exports in 2001 were barely $267 billion dollars. India's this year is expected to cross $300 billion dollars.

Chinese foreign reserves in 2001 were $212 billion dollars. India's today are $320 billion dollars.

So basically China is barely 9 years ahead of us. We'll overcome the difference after 2020, when Chinese population starts to age while our working age population keeps growing. You'll see.

In this decade, China is only expected to add 20 million people to its working population while India adds 110 million. India for over past 2 decades had significant lesser working population than China owing to its younger population. Its all gonna change after this decade.

Wrong.

Here, from the Economist:

The Economist - Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon

The lag in social progress is much longer. A child’s odds of surviving past their fifth birthday are as bad in India today as they were in China in the 1970s.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

And regarding the GDP numbers:

List of countries by past and future GDP (nominal) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Numbers originally sourced from the IMF World economic outlook database).

China GDP to India GDP ratio in 1990 - 1 : 1
China GDP to India GDP ratio in 2000 - 2 : 1
China GDP to India GDP ratio in 2010 - 4 : 1

The gap is in fact widening every day, India is not catching up at all, but rather falling behind.

Which is clearly logical, considering that China has both a far larger economy AND has had double-digit growth rates for several decades now, while India was never able to sustain double-digit growth in the first place.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

days of commie land are counted...try as much as u can to save ur one party system...sooner or later people of china will understand what they have lost over what they ve gained...

If our one party system falls, then so what?

China will always be China, regardless of the system of government. The CPC is just the last in the line, of many many governments that have risen and fallen in China.

 

[JohnyD]

If our one party system falls, then so what?

China will always be China, regardless of the system of government. The CPC is just the last in the line, of many many governments that have risen and fallen in China.

ha haa....u picked up what hurts u the most...this is called as vulnerability..<any suitable smiley>

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

ha haa....u picked up what hurts u the most...this is called as vulnerability..<any suitable smiley>

Hahaha, I am actually in favour of political reform in China.

You are just butthurt at what the Economist wrote above, that India is still 40 years behind China, and falling further behind every day.

 

[somebozo]

I can understand the infatuation with present, after all, China has gone through humiliations that no one would like to remember.

Not too long ago, it was the sick man of Asia and killed 30 million of its own people, now new found riches have made it forget its past.


40 years ago China ranked below India in GDP and HDi indexes, a.ss licking too much for facts?

40 years later, India ranks 1/5th of China..so you agree..not only China has developed..but also leaped ahead of India, which has a strong start due to British colonialism?? So who do you blame??? Democracy?? Corrupt Politicians???

The real picture is for the last 64 years, Indian are either trying to play their internal political chess or trying to export their political problems to neighboring countries by terrorism while a large batch of their educated brass desperate flee's abroad to work at 1/3 wages. They see anything abroad, even pennies as a better option than living in India.

FACT 1: better be humiliated in one's own country can be lablled as "economic" terrorist..all major governments of the prosperous world looks to Indian as economic opportunistic and threat to local job markets. Obama reversed thousands of H1-B's and Britain followed suit and so did Saudi Arabia. For the rest of the world I cannot speak but I have not experienced them yet.

FACT 2: With China rising economic and geopolitical clout, its citizens are getting ever widening opportunities to engage overseas either as businessmen, investors, entrepreneurs, students, engineers, technicians, doctors, etc etc. They are clearly witnessing the China advantage and hence are wary of any disturbance to this cycle. Most of the Chinese I have met and work with do not give a crap about CPC or KMT, they have their own ambitions and life plans to follow..just many of them wish they could have more children. Yes, Indeed the Chinese nation is aspiring for more freedoms and as they progress ahead but it will not come as a revolt against the CPC but rather planned reforms and public pressure. The CPC will evolve into a more public friendly party with a hierarchy of public consultation committee drawing reforms out of people's opinion..

FACT 3: All the stupid arguments I have seen of beating China by 2011, 2012, 2020, 2030 talk about India beating current level of Chinese progress. They fail to factor in that China is not dud which has reached a level and stopped - it is constantly growing with time too..so when Indian are beating China's 2011 level in 2020 that would still mean that China has leaped ahead..to explain it further and simpler..think of a professional runner being chased by an amateur in a loop..yes the amateur will eventually hit the checkers where the professional athlete passed earlier, but that does not mean he has now reached the same level as the professional athlete..he is still behind and running..

Indian love to bash China one child policy and ageing population when they are yet..behind China in this segment as well!

China over time will emerge as a low-population highly productive country commanding massive industries and tech myth...then it wont need a large population for menial labors and tedious jobs of sewing Nike shoes...these jobs can then be outsourced to India and Indian politicians will chest-thump over this progress!

 

[JohnyD]

You are just butthurt at what the Economist wrote above, that India is still 40 years behind China, and falling further behind every day.

good to know from u..we are 40 or 100 yrs behind china..lol....live in that dream....dragon has closed its eyes or under any influence to see the reality....good for u and good for us as well <any suitable smiley>

 

[Loyus]

40 years later, India ranks 1/5th of China..so you agree..not only China has developed..but also leaped ahead of India, which has a strong start due to British colonialism?? So who do you blame??? Democracy?? Corrupt Politicians???

That is because the Communist states have an exemplary record in terms of socio economic development. India is a huge and diverse country for which Democracy is the true path. It is impossible to rule India like a one party system. India is incredibly diverse..
Comng to the socio economic devleopemt of China..You have to break India into multiple parts.. the Souhtern part consisting of the Four states are nearer to China in terms of HDI and fertility rate. And this is where democracy has worked.. On the other hand some states like UP and Bihar had been failures and pushes India down especially becoz of their hiuge population. These are the pitfalls of democracy.. And now.. Bihar is improving.. Who bought the change. Democracy ? So , all in all you cannot blame democracy for China being devloped than India..

The real picture is for the last 64 years, Indian are either trying to play their internal political chess or trying to export their political problems to neighboring countries by terrorism while a large batch of their educated brass desperate flee's abroad to work at 1/3 wages. They see anything abroad, even pennies as a better option than living in India.

Blame the Congress Governemnt of those times.. India was a hopeless socialistic country where corruption , nepotism etc etc.. An economic crisis of 1990 taught us the path we had taken.. Economic reforms followed.. Foreign companeis came.. Jobs followed.. We had auto revolution, IT revolution, mobile revolution, retail revolution.. People are now very optimistic..We are on our way to become a devloped country by 2030.. The path is long but we are hopeful and optimistic.. We have the single most important agenda os earning more money since opportunities are there.. People simply don;t care about communlaism, inciting hatred.. etc

FACT: better be humiliated in one's own country can be lablled as "economic" terrorist..all major governments of the prosperous world looks to Indian as economic opportunistic and threat to local job markets. Obama reversed thousands of H1-B's and Britain followed suit and so did Saudi Arabia. For the rest of the world I cannot speak but I have not experienced them yet.

indians are extremely competitive..So for individual business in US, UK wo thinks of cost optminsation they will obviously think of outsourcing.. Why should they be ashamed ? They hare answerable to their share holders..
That is why the US/UK politicians coin words like Bangalored for outsourcing.. Do you know why ? Because they have failed to provide jobs to their people.. they need an escape route.. India is their blame word.. they are after all .....politicians !!!!

 

[rajnikant]

Hahaha, I am actually in favour of political reform in China.

You are just butthurt at what the Economist wrote above, that India is still 40 years behind China, and falling further behind every day.

you first need to do the following before any so called reforms:

Free paper, tv and online media (no censoring, so that chinese ppl can get a better Idea of world and India)
improve human rights
fix minimum wages
after that, you can work on political reforms and then compare to India ..you see you are not at level with us. your govt started as communist but they are more imperial capitalist now.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

you first need to do the following before any so called reforms:

Free paper, tv and online media (no censoring, so that chinese ppl can get a better Idea of world and India)
improve human rights
fix minimum wages
after that, you can work on political reforms and then compare to India ..you see you are not at level with us. your govt started as communist but they are more imperial capitalist now.

LOL, read the Economist article that I posted above.

The Economist - Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon

The lag in social progress is much longer. A child&#8217;s odds of surviving past their fifth birthday are as bad in India today as they were in China in the 1970s.

India is 40 years behind China in terms of social indicators, and India starves more people to death than the REST of the world combined.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | 'Hunger critical' in South Asia

A Unicef report in May said the world was failing its children by not ensuring that they had enough to eat.

The report said India contributed to about 5.6 million child deaths per year, more than half the world's total.

 

[rajnikant]

LOL, read the Economist article that I posted above.

The Economist - Comparing India and China: Chasing the dragon

India is 40 years behind China in terms of social indicators, and India starves more people to death than the REST of the world combined.

BBC NEWS | South Asia | 'Hunger critical' in South Asia

LoL the link is of 2006, and you answered only HDi index right which i never asked for..and you opted which suited you most..typical chinese. aah you wont be able to find any as all would have been censored right?

few of your issues:

Overpopulation (common in India and china)
Male-female ratio disparity from sex-selective abortion and other problems associated from the One-child policy (chinese policy issue)
Uncontrollable flow of mass migration
the aging of population
Government's abuse of power (&#28389;&#29992;&#32844;&#26435
Useless positions in civil service and redundant government agencies
Personal safety risks (especially in public places such as train stations)
Regional elitism (mainly in Beijing and Shanghai)
Sacrificing environmental needs for economic gain (includes Three Gorges Dam project)

Go start fixing them or ask your dictators to fix them(ohh you can do that right, you don't have the rights), we are fixing ours and don't flutter here about chinese supermacy ... we know its a ballon filled with hot air.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Go start fixing them or ask your dictators to fix them(ohh you can do that right, you don't have the rights), we are fixing ours and don't flutter here about chinese supermacy ... we know its a ballon filled with hot air.

Am I allowed to say:

Down with the CPC! Hu Jintao is a bastard!

Oops.

 

[beijingwalker]

Again,

Chinese exports in 2001 were barely $267 billion dollars. India's this year is expected to cross $300 billion dollars.

Chinese foreign reserves in 2001 were $212 billion dollars. India's today are $320 billion dollars.

So basically China is barely 9 years ahead of us. We'll overcome the difference after 2020, when Chinese population starts to age while our working age population keeps growing. You'll see.

so you assume that China will do nothing but sitting around sucking their thumbs next decade?